My 1.6A has arrived, and I must say......

[Crackabot]

OK... you guys are pissing me off, I'm only able to reach 2.24 on my 1.6aand I had to bump my voltage to 1.75..... grrr

Congrats though... looks like you got a runner

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< OK... you guys are pissing me off, I'm only able to reach 2.24 on my 1.6aand I had to bump my voltage to 1.75..... grrr

Congrats though... looks like you got a runner >>

Bummer, what are your temps like?

 

[jonny13]

I have a 1.8a and am barely stable at 2.4 GHz with the voltage at 1.75. My temps are fine at 50 degrees, but I still get errors after many hours of ripping DVD's. I am building a computer for a friend and used the 1.6a mainly because it is so cool even though the guy doesn't want to overclock his computer. So, I figure if I can get that chip up to 2.4 GHz with 1.65 or so voltage, I will probably just swap with him and keep the 1.6a. I will let you know my results, I can't wait to get home and overclock that thing.

Jonny

 

[Jesta]

Temp is staying right around the 44-45 mark, at 1.6 and 2.1 it was at a contstant 40 so looks like it's still at a good temp. Been running prime95 since my earlier post and no problem. If anyone runs across that 1.0.0.3 bios please let me know as I need to see if it has additional cpu/mem timings. Thanks.

 

[rogue1979]

2.5GHz for a Thoroughbred might sound optimistic. But do you remember not so long ago when AMD and Intel where racing for 1GHz? As the Coppermine hit 1.13GHz and ended up being unstable, everyone said the .18 micron die for Intel or AMD was reaching the limit. AMD suprised everyone by continuing to take the Thunderbird core up to 1400MHz, still on a .18 micron die. I think we were all suprised (I know I was) when the XP core has now hit 1733MHz, still on a .18 micron die. This is purely speculative but I think AMD can do it again with a .13 Micron die and suprise us all once more. Just my 2 cents, I could be wrong.

In the mean time that is an awesome overclock for the 1.6a. I am going to get one when the clock generator thing for the RDRAM boards is sorted out and I can run a guaranteed 533MHz.

 

[Rkonster]

Wow, all your temps are so low. I am geting 54 C on Prime95. My 1.6 is at 2.1 at default voltage. I am using the stock heatsink with AS3. Any ideas why it is so high??

 

[Jesta]

I don't know but they are reading correct both from asusprobe and MM5. It's in a chieftec 1030 clone case with no case fans at all, only the single exhaust on the power supply. Will add the fans later and close up the case and hopefully be able to drop a few more degrees. Also scrapped the stock thermal pad for some as3, that probably is helping some as well. Still stuck at 2415 MHz, until I can find this elusive bios that gives me more options for the memory divider.

 

[Regalk]

A few hours ago I decided to run mine at 140 FSB and up the memory a bit higher (dropped from a stable 144FSB at 1.55v), Previouly ran memory at 1:1. Memory is Samsung 512mb PC2100. Memory bench (Sandra) is 2625/2625 which is awesome considering that this was generic and running at slowest speeds and at 175 (140 x 5/4).
System:
P4S 333
1.6A at 2240 (can reach 2400 at 1.55v)
512 mb Samsung PC2100 running at 175
Matrox G450
On board sound.

 

[RobsTV]

<< With motherboards like the Iwill XP333 and the upcoming KT400, a locked Thoroughbred won't matter. Looks like the first one is gonna be a 133MHz fsb one, with most newer boards easily running 166-200MHz it will be a northwood like overclock. With no info to back it up, I will guess the Thoroughbred will hit 2.5GHz+. After a few higher models are released the price should be reasonable. It's gonna take a Northwood overclocked to 3.5-4GHz to beat it. But for the price of the 1.6a, that is a very tempting deal right now.... >>



I agree. Based on current results, 2500+ should be no problem.
XP's are already at 2100+ with the larger core.
Tom's Hardware did a comparison on how well an XP 2300+ would compete with a P4/3000.
Seems like they would be fairly close. For the AMD to reach 2300+, only requires 1933MHz.
With the newer KT333 boards, some are already over the 1900MHz (XP 2300+) speeds.

It's great that the 1.6A can overclock to Northwood 2400MHz levels, but that still only puts it at
around XP 2100+ speeds. In some tests the Northwood at 2400MHz beats the XP 2100+, but in
other tests the XP2100+ beats the Northwood at 2400MHz. So it's basically a toss up. Now remember
though that the XP2100+ actually is clocked at 1733MHz. Even without unlocking my XP 1700+,
and leaving multiplier at 11, it will run 157MHz fsb, so that puts the $100 XP 1700+ (157x11) at
the XP2100+ levels, or Northwood 2400 speeds.

 

[Jesta]

I think it's more of the fact that people are getting such high overclocks using the stock intel cooling rather than the overclock itself. I was barely able to overclock my 1800+ by 100Mhz and that was only after spending 20-30 on a good HSF combo and another 30-40 on additonal case fans. As with this P4 I had to do absolutely nothing but pop on the stock HSF and go for it. The case I am using now has no additional fans because I used them in another project but the cpu is still staying in the 44-45 range with just the stock HSF and the single exhaust on the power supply. And going from the stock 1600 to 2400 mhz my temps only moved about 5 degrees. Where in my 1800+ my temps moved a whole 8 degrees just with a 100mhz overclock. I enjoy both of these machines but I just think the simpleness of overclocking this P4 is impressing me a lot. Just more of my two cents.

 

[RobsTV]

Yep, the temp is the key thing here.
Even though AMD is still cheaper combo at first, the needed cooling to get the max
overclocking quickly put the price around the same as Northwood. But then you still
have to put up with all the additional cooling noise with the AMD.

Neither company allows the other to excel for long, as proven by Intels Northwood.
Expect the next AMD (Thoroughbred) to again easily move AMD to the top of the most wanted CPU list.

 

[montego]

RobsTV, so your saying that a 1.6a Northwood OCed to 2.4ghz isnt any faster than my 1900Xp OCed to 1740mhz?

In fact the Northwood would be slower?

That sucks, I want something with better gaming performance than what I currently have.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< RobsTV, so your saying that a 1.6a Northwood OCed to 2.4ghz isnt any faster than my 1900Xp OCed to 1740mhz?

In fact the Northwood would be slower?

That sucks, I want something with better gaming performance than what I currently have. >>

Then upgrade your vid card as either of those CPUs is plenty for gaming.

 

[montego]

Ive got a GF4 Ti4600

I wanna run Nascar2002 (Papyrus) at 1600x1200x32 in D3d with 4xS antialiasing on.

I can do 1600x1200x16 in Open GL with 4x antialiasing, but if youve ever seen this game in D3d with 4xS antialiasing on at 1600x1200 youd wanna try it too.

And Im getting tired of trying to figure out which KT333 mobo to choose for my 1900xp.
None of them seem to support ALL the features needed. (agp voltage adj. , cpu voltage over 1.85, DDR voltage adj)
Seems like every board has two of the three voltage adjustments i need.
My 1900xp wont go over 1740mhz unless I use 1.95v, then it will do 1775mhz.
At 2.02v it will 1800, but Its gets toasty. (over 123f under load)

Im not loyal to any camp, I just want a faster rig.
Intel or Amd, it doesnt matter to me.


My current rig.

1900Xp @ 1740mhz
512mb Crucial PC2100
Epox8K7A
SB Live 5.1
GF4 Ti4600 (visiontek)
40gb Maxtor (7200rpm)
16x TDK CDRW

Im thinking of this:
AsusP4S333
512mb Corsair PC2700
P4 1.6a Northwood with hopes of 2.4ghz OC'ed

Either that or I get
512mb Corsair PC2700
And a Kt333 mobo for my 1900xp

 

[RobsTV]

With your XP1900+ running at XP2100+ speeds, there is no reason to switch to Northwood CPU and compatable motherboard.
In some games and apps, one CPU will be faster than the other, but in general, both will run about the same.
With increased voltage, you are actually hitting speeds around XP 2200+, which is faster than 1.6A @2400.

Modding the Epox to get more CPU core voltage than 1.85v is an easy task on previous models. Don't know about KT333.
For AMD, the KT333 should be a chipset to skip.
At least wait until KT333A appears. Guessing it will be out within a month or two.

Perhaps adding advanced cooling will give you the extra 100MHz you need to run at P4/3000 speeds?

For myself, it will take a lot more than comparable speeds for me to switch back.
When they abandoned Socket 7 at around 233MHz, and "forced" a complete system upgrade, I turned to AMD.
AMD kept me happy with SS7 for a long time, up to 600MHz.
Then the Duron upgrade era convinced me that AMD was the only one to stick with.
When all the Duron and T-Bird CPU's seemed to easily overclock by 25% to 40%, it was like free cash.
Intel has taken a good first step with the 1.6A, but let's see if they stick with that course.

 

[XBoxLPU]

<< [
Then upgrade your vid card as either of those CPUs is plenty for gaming. >>



He has a GF4

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< He has a GF4 >>

well then I guess he's SOOL for now aint he

 

[montego]

DAPUNISHER, had a valid suggestion about upgrading my video card.

Unfortunately I hadnt created my profile yet to show that I had a GF4 Ti4600.

So his suggestion was pretty much what I wouldve suggested to someonelse asking the same ??s I am.

And yeah, Im feeling pretty SOOL lately.

I keep thinking "theres gotta be something I can do", yet it seems like Im about as fast as current technology will allow.

 

[Nate420]

SOOL is exactly right..lol I think it's a little unreasonable to expect to run Nas2002 at 1600x1200x32 D3D with 4xAA, and still get good frame rates. If your o/ced XP1900 won't do it, then nothing will right now. I know it's a G4, but it still has limits.

 

[jm0ris0n]

Whats up with AMD lately?


OK guys, this is about technology and clockspeed and also juts a place to dump frustrations...OK.

What the F^ck is up with AMD? In April 2000 AMD started shipping its 1,000Mhz processor. By all accounts this was the most bad ass mofo out there. It also carried with it quite a price tag ~950USD. This processor was petty sweet, unlocking your Slot a Athlons was pretty sweet. Even finding a config that was stable and could kick the ass of your Intel neighbor was sweet! So here we have AMD who released the Athlon in August 1999 in speeds of 500-600. Then in 7 months has doubled the initial processor release speed from 500 to 1000. LIFE IS GOOD.

Now look at christmas 2000. AMD's fastest processor is at 1,200 mhz. Only 200 mhz in 9 months as opposed to 400 in 7.

Now look at where we are now. March 9 (I believe) would be the 2 year anniversary of the 1gigahertz launch and the most amd has to show for itself is some fancy ddr and 1.73ghz of power. Is there any hope? I'd love for you to be able to tell me yes! there is.

Please tell me yes there is. In july 2000 I bought an Abit KA7-100 (200USD) + K7 850 (315USD) and was able to gfd my way up to 1 ghz!!! I have never felt so alive when I hit that wondrous gig! In fact, until I get married, that will most likely be the most memorable moment in my geek-like existence. I am currently running an Iwill KK266+ w/ 512 Crucial 7ns cl2 w/maxed out mem settings on an xp1700+. I am runnng@147 mhz bus, but somehow feel cheated. My system brings me no pride, in fact, I have a "motto" per-say that when I upgrade I gain 200% increase of previous platform. In regards to the xp1700+ over the 1,000 slot A I have to say I am VERY disappointed.

Any advice on a means to get myself on a thrill just like I had taking an 850 all the up to the big 1gig? Could a 1.6a or northwood in general do this for me?

Thank you for reading my emotional rant of the day,

 

[gplracer]

 

[gplracer]

Montego ever try grand prix legends for racing? It has the same physics engine but more action since it uses road courses.

 

[Plester]

jm0ris0n - you have to get into counselling ASAP. you are too far gone at this point. the thrill of a northwood might last a few days, but then you would be in a funk again.

i feel your pain, AMD had their time and they will have it again, but right now there is more joy in overclocking Intel chips, from the Tualerons up to the northwoods. until AMD switches to the .13micron process, they are no fun anymore, but they were the left nut for a year and the fact that they might burn your house down if you screwed up made them all that much more exciting. my water-cooled t-bird trials was overclocking at its best.

in the meantime you need to scratch your itch so go get a 1.6A.

 

[DoubleL]

<< yah go intel!! i want an amd buff in here to explain WHY they like amd >>

I build both but use a Dragon+ XP2000 for my main computer and a Epox 8KHA+ for my back-up, I just think right now AMD has the better setup, I don't over clock or play a lot of games so the AMD is better for what I use my computer for, Not putting down the Intel am building one for a guy right now and just think after using both the AMD is the better of the two righ now anyway

 

[SFang]

<With your XP1900+ running at XP2100+ speeds, there is no reason to switch to Northwood CPU and compatable motherboard.>


There is one reason, most people hate loud fans, and hate more to buy expensive and loud fans.

However, people do love overclocking. As an overclocker, I owned both AMD and Intel for a while now. I do like Intel's way of keeping their CPU cool, and packing their retail CPU with a decent fan. Consider buying AMD CPU needs to add an extra $30-$40 fan to have a decent overclocking, and other people with Northwood 1.6A oc to 2.4G only using a 3000RPM retail hsf, I would say that is the difference.

If AMD could pack their retail CPU with a water cooling kit, and not charge too much price for it, I would recommend AMD.