MW3 will again not offer dedicated servers

[Mike Gayner]

And yet again PC gamers will bitch, moan, cry and promise to never buy this game. And yet again, it will be an all-time best seller on all platforms.

 

[gorcorps]

What do you mean not likely? They already announced their bs multiplayer service crap. People that don't pay and participate will get left out and eventually be compelled to pay to be in the competitive games. Activision will give non-payers some retard version of multiplayer that nobody will want to play. It's coming and why dedicated servers are long dead for cod. The only reason blops doesn't have it is because it wasn't quite ready yet.

That's blowing it way out of proportion. It's basically paying for extra guns and stuff. You can use the private servers if you want for paying folks only, but you can still play in the pub servers like everybody else.

 

[pontifex]

I could meh less. More important issue is whether the game will run fine on PC...Black Ops anyone?

if it's not made by treyarch it should be fine

 

[Schadenfreude]

Why won't Mechwarrior 3 offer dedicated servers?

 

[NoSoup4You]

If the game is worth it, I'm more than happy to pay more if it means getting real, tangible benefits. If they start charging for stuff that was always free in the past, I'm not gonna be happy.

If a game sucks, though... even the low price of "free" is too much.

 

[Nintendesert]

That's blowing it way out of proportion. It's basically paying for extra guns and stuff. You can use the private servers if you want for paying folks only, but you can still play in the pub servers like everybody else.

Based on their CEO's previous statements I don't think it is. Activision wants anyone that plays the game to use their service so they can get that steady MMO style subscription out of players.

Not only that but it will have the added bonus of killing the used game market which to them is a much bigger problem than piracy.

The writing is on the wall for what they intend and where this shit service of theirs progresses. It'll happen.

 

[Chaotic42]

I'm glad. The whole Black Ops "Nuketown Only - No running, no walking, standing only" thing is kind of annoying. This MW2 method is not flawless, but I like it better.

Actually it would be ideal to charge a little more and randomly group people together on *their* servers, but I'm dreaming.

 

[DeadFred]

No dedi servers = no sale for me. I learned my lesson from MW2. Add the fact that they are talking about going to a subscription service and BF3 is sounding better all the time.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

The last one I bought was Wold At War; the rest since then can FOAD

 

[pontifex]

No dedi servers = no sale for me. I learned my lesson from MW2. Add the fact that they are talking about going to a subscription service and BF3 is sounding better all the time.

I'll have to find an alternative or just not play a modern combat game. I hate BF series with a passion and MW2 is no longer all that interesting.

 

[DeadFred]

I'll have to find an alternative or just not play a modern combat game. I hate BF series with a passion and MW2 is no longer all that interesting.

I can appreciate the differing gaming styles that both series bring to the table. Most of the time I prefer the wild run and gun action of Cod4 or Black Ops, but enjoy BFBC2 for a change of pace every now and then.

I liked the gameplay of MW2 but IWNET totally ruined it for me. The incessant toobers and hackers and nothing you can do about them (as in admin-ing your own server). Too much time spent sitting in a lobby waiting for a match to begin only to get thrown into a game and have 100ms+ pings. Lets not forget rage quitting hosts or totally dropping connection and the hassle of trying to get a group of friends together to play.

IWNET=EPIC FAIL on an EPIC SCALE!

 

[Mike Gayner]

I can appreciate the differing gaming styles that both series bring to the table. Most of the time I prefer the wild run and gun action of Cod4 or Black Ops, but enjoy BFBC2 for a change of pace every now and then.

I liked the gameplay of MW2 but IWNET totally ruined it for me. The incessant toobers and hackers and nothing you can do about them (as in admin-ing your own server). Too much time spent sitting in a lobby waiting for a match to begin only to get thrown into a game and have 100ms+ pings. Lets not forget rage quitting hosts or totally dropping connection and the hassle of trying to get a group of friends together to play.

IWNET=EPIC FAIL on an EPIC SCALE!

Yup and I bet you bitched about it before MW2 came out, like everyone else. And yet you still bought it, like everyone else. And you'll buy this one too, like everyone else.

 

[Chaotic42]

I can appreciate the differing gaming styles that both series bring to the table. Most of the time I prefer the wild run and gun action of Cod4 or Black Ops, but enjoy BFBC2 for a change of pace every now and then.

I liked the gameplay of MW2 but IWNET totally ruined it for me. The incessant toobers and hackers and nothing you can do about them (as in admin-ing your own server). Too much time spent sitting in a lobby waiting for a match to begin only to get thrown into a game and have 100ms+ pings. Lets not forget rage quitting hosts or totally dropping connection and the hassle of trying to get a group of friends together to play.

IWNET=EPIC FAIL on an EPIC SCALE!

How was getting a group of friends together *harder* in MW2? The Black Ops system completely and utterly sucks. In MW2 you join a lobby together, then the host joins. You're on the same team and everything is fine.

I will not be purchasing anymore Treyarch games unless they revamp their system, which is unlikely. It's all the little touches that make Black Ops less fun that MW2.

 

[DeadFred]

Yup and I bet you bitched about it before MW2 came out, like everyone else. And yet you still bought it, like everyone else. And you'll buy this one too, like everyone else.

I wont lie, I bought it knowing better and was proven right. But I can guarantee you it wont happen again. If PC gaming comes to point where peer 2 peer is all that is left, then I shall retire from the gaming scene.

 

[DeadFred]

How was getting a group of friends together *harder* in MW2? The Black Ops system completely and utterly sucks. In MW2 you join a lobby together, then the host joins. You're on the same team and everything is fine.

I will not be purchasing anymore Treyarch games unless they revamp their system, which is unlikely. It's all the little touches that make Black Ops less fun that MW2.

While you and your friends are trying to get your group together and game started in MW2, me and my friends will have finished one match and started another playing Black Ops or any other game on a dedicated server. :biggrin:

All of MW2's faults could be solved by allowing us control of the game with dedi servers. Thats what its all about control.

 

[Sureshot324]

How was getting a group of friends together *harder* in MW2? The Black Ops system completely and utterly sucks. In MW2 you join a lobby together, then the host joins. You're on the same team and everything is fine.

I will not be purchasing anymore Treyarch games unless they revamp their system, which is unlikely. It's all the little touches that make Black Ops less fun that MW2.

I agree that MW2's system was better for playing with friends, but they could so easily implement the same system with dedicated servers.

Picture this:
You and 3 other friends create a party of 4. You tell it to put you in a game. The system finds another group of 4, or 2 groups of 2, w/e. Now it finds a server with even teams and at least 8 open slots and puts you all in the game. Simple.

 

[DeadFred]

Have you guys ever been part of a clan that owned their own servers? You join the server once, you know what your ping is gonna be, and play with your friends for as long as you want, without ever sitting in a lobby waiting. How anyone can say the IWnet system is better baffles me.

But to each their own I suppose.

 

[Chaotic42]

While you and your friends are trying to get your group together and game started in MW2, me and my friends will have finished one match and started another playing Black Ops or any other game on a dedicated server. :biggrin:

All of MW2's faults could be solved by allowing us control of the game with dedi servers. Thats what its all about control.

You and I have had different experiences in MW2. Especially until Black Ops came out, it was almost instant every time. There were some bad days, but for the most part, my 357 hours of MW2 have been relatively issue free.

I still think it should randomly match people up like IWNET does and then toss them onto an IW server in their own private match.

I would like the Black Ops method better if I could find a good quantity of quality servers.

 

[fatpat268]

I can appreciate the differing gaming styles that both series bring to the table. Most of the time I prefer the wild run and gun action of Cod4 or Black Ops, but enjoy BFBC2 for a change of pace every now and then.

I liked the gameplay of MW2 but IWNET totally ruined it for me. The incessant toobers and hackers and nothing you can do about them (as in admin-ing your own server). Too much time spent sitting in a lobby waiting for a match to begin only to get thrown into a game and have 100ms+ pings. Lets not forget rage quitting hosts or totally dropping connection and the hassle of trying to get a group of friends together to play.

Number one reason why I hate IWNET... takes forever to get in a game. Not only that, once the match ends, there's a 45 second intermission in between. In Black Ops and other ded. server COD's, the switch over to a new map was insanely fast.

 

[NoSoup4You]

Dedicated servers tend to be a little over-rated, there's a lot of stuff I don't miss about dedicated servers, even though matchmaking has plenty of caveats as well -

I don't miss hunting through endless server lists trying to find one that doesn't have a bunch of silly mods which I'm forced to download before I can even get into the match.

I don't miss looking at server lists where half the choices only play the same map over and over (2Fort 24/7).

I don't miss servers that spoof the number of active players to attract people to an otherwise empty server (TF2)

I definitely don't miss servers that show open spots available except that they're reserved so you end up getting kicked, but only AFTER you've loaded the map. (Valve FPS games)

I don't miss getting kicked from a server to make room for some clanmate.

Don't miss getting auto-switched to the other team because the losing team all quit and therefore I get credited with a loss even though I was on the winning side the entire round.

I don't miss joining a server with several friends only to have some of them getting assigned to a different team and you can't switch because the server's full.

And I don't miss the admins which abuse their power and kick people because they happen to be having a really good round (must be a hacker!).

And many, many more reasons. Dedicated servers aren't all bad, and some games implement them quite nicely... a recent example is Brink. It's all in the implementation I guess, and whether you're looking for a heavily modded experience or just the core gameplay the game shipped with. I guess at this point I'm definitely the latter.

 

[KaOTiK]

I'll take every single of the things you listed as problems and then some instead of matchmaking still.

 

[pontifex]

Was just looking at my latest copy of Playstation magazine and guess what the #1 most wanted game is on the list?

 

[uclaLabrat]

Was just looking at my latest copy of Playstation magazine and guess what the #1 most wanted game is on the list?

BF3?

 

[Chaotic42]

Number one reason why I hate IWNET... takes forever to get in a game. Not only that, once the match ends, there's a 45 second intermission in between. In Black Ops and other ded. server COD's, the switch over to a new map was insanely fast.

I was talking with one of my MW2 friends to make sure I wasn't blocking out some horrible experiences and he has no idea what you guys are complaining about. We really never had these issues. I'm guessing most people didn't or they wouldn't be using it again.

 

[Baasha]

The bigger question is will MW3 be another console port to the PC?