MVP Voting has become a joke in MLB

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Midlander

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
the Mr. Steroids that Midlander is referring to plays for the Giants

Yeah, and he looks exactly like he did when he played for the Pirates.

ROFL

Sorry guys I thought you were talking about Pujols. I misread the first post, it was my mistake. Yeah Barry Bonds is....ugh

-Kevin

 

[TheRyuu]

Go Mets

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
See this crap. There is something Anti-MVP about Pujols.

This voting system is out of hand now.
-Kevin

He won MVP last year!

Please, give it up already.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
See this crap. There is something Anti-MVP about Pujols.

This voting system is out of hand now.
-Kevin

He won MVP last year!

Please, give it up already.

Yeah and barely though. Andruw Jones was almost beat him. Andruw Jones who hit .263 FOR THE YEAR, Andruw Jones who hit .207 with RISP, Andruw Jones who with Runners on Second and Third hit .154, Andruw Jones who also only led Pujols in 2 categories: HR's and RBI's (Granted Ryan Howard was many time better than Jones, but to make my point about the Anti-Pujols for MVP thing).

As for he won it last year that isn't enough. He deserved to win it this year. No my arguing wont do anything but this stuff needs to be said. He deserved to win it the year before last, he has deserved it, as mentioned in this thread, about 4 other times aside from this year and the past year. A total of 6; yet how many has he won 1. 1 measly MVP when he has, arguably, been the best player in baseball almost every other year.

Pitiful! Especially when you consider the other players that received high ranking votes!!

-Kevin

 

[Heifetz]

Is Pujols your boyfriend or something? Howard almost matched the all time HR record, that at least means something.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Heifetz
Is Pujols your boyfriend or something? Howard almost matched the all time HR record, that at least means something.

First off that is one category. One that means nothing in itself when considering MVP. Howard was 11 HR's away from the all time HR record. No matter what you thing of Barry Bonds, he holds the record. Believe me I wish he didn't either, but he does so you have to acknowledge those numbers. Additionally, even if it were 60, he ALMOST broke it. That means nothing, you don't get award for ALMOST doing something.

Read the first post where I showed how meaningless HR's alone are.

-Kevin

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Heifetz
Is Pujols your boyfriend or something? Howard almost matched the all time HR record, that at least means something.

Unless you are ignoring the BS numbers put up by a few roid monsters, Howard wasn't close.

 

[spaceman]

Cap'n Jetes got deletes!
LMFAO.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
No my arguing wont do anything but this stuff needs to be said.

-Kevin

Ok, you've said it. Are you done now?


Some people apparently do not know what MVP is. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to their TEAM. It's not about stats. Stats is factored into it, but it's about what you do for your team.

Did you happen to see the debacle that lead to the Cards getting into the playoffs? During a SEVEN game losing streak right before the playoffs, Albert had TWO RBI's. Not to mention that he missed 19 games during the season.

Howard almost single-handedly thrust the Philadelphia Phillies into playoff contention after a midseason roster purge, and finished with a .313 average, 58 homers and 149 RBIs.

He hit .355 with 30 homers and 78 RBIs in the second half as the Phillies fell three wins short of the NL wild-card berth.

He slugged 30 homers in only 75 games after the All-Star break, highlighted by a 14-homer month of August when the Phillies won 18 games to climb back into the race.

Twenty-three of Howard's homers put Philadelphia ahead and five tied games. He was walked 11 times in the final 9 games.

All of this while in his second year in the Majors.

So tell me....was he not the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER for his team? I'd say he was. Stats aside, the phillies road him almost to the playoffs. He doesn't have the pitching staff and players around him like Albert does. Period.

So quit whinning and show some respect to this awesome young player

Disclaimer: I'm a braves fan. I won't even get into Andruw and what he did for the Braves last year and placing 2nd in the MVP after the team lost it's entire staff.

 

[Poulsonator]

They are both amazing players that (hopefully) will be putting up ridiculous numbers for years to come. Pujols is heading for the Hall (possibly as the greatest hitter of all-time) and I'm sure he'll get plenty more chances. The choice came down to 2006 Pujols vs. 2006 Howard...how can you go wrong? They were both more than deserving. Personally, I was more impressed with Howard's second half (as LikeLinus pointed out) and the fact that he took his team, AFTER Abreu was traded, put them on his back and damn near carried them into the playoffs. With nothing. Don't kid yourself...the 2006 Cardinals were WAY better than the 2006 Phillies. WAY better.

 

[Injury]

Didn't read the thread, but stats don't mean crap for MVP. Stats are what gets you a paycheck. Being your teams shining star, making the plays and busting your ass for the wins is what matters. If anything, it's a contest of who is worth the money they are being paid and what kind of return you are getting off of that money.

 

[Poulsonator]

If that were the case, A-Rod wouldn't have 2 MVP's. He hastn' been worth the $25 mil he gets paid a year. Not even close.

However, that was until this off-season, when teams seem to all have unlimited money.

 

[MrMaster]

You can't all go by stats.

Look at when Robin Yount or Barry Larkin won their last cy young awards. Do you really think hardcore mainstream stats played into those decisions? I believe Ruben Sierra was almost a 40/40 guy when Yount won his last one and I don't even remember who the stud in the NL was when Larkin won.

If there is some complaining to do it would be with the AL. I thought Mauer should have gotten it.

Brewers fan!

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: MrMaster
You can't all go by stats.

Look at when Robin Yount or Barry Larkin won their last cy young awards. Do you really think hardcore mainstream stats played into those decisions? I believe Ruben Sierra was almost a 40/40 guy when Yount won his last one and I don't even remember who the stud in the NL was when Larkin won.

If there is some complaining to do it would be with the AL. I thought Mauer should have gotten it.

Brewers fan!

How the hell did Robin Yount win a Cy Young award?

 

[ThePresence]

Ill try to figure out why in the world Derek Jeter didn't win over Justin Morneau in a couple minutes

That's easy. They don't want to give it a Yankee. Yeah, I know Arod won it, but his stats were insane. While Jeter's stats were not crazy, his playing was.

 

[thepd7]

Giving Jeter the MVP for being clutch is like giving a dog a treat for barking.

 

[Juno]

david wright will win next year, conspiracy?

 

[Syringer]

The biggest travesty is that Frank Thomas didn't get AL Comeback player of the year award. He literally came from from thing to leading a offensive-less team to the playoffs..

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Syringer
The biggest travesty is that Frank Thomas didn't get AL Comeback player of the year award. He literally came from from thing to leading a offensive-less team to the playoffs..

You'll never hear this from me again...

But I completely 100% agree with you on this. Frank Thomas had a monster year and was good even in the playoffs. He deserved that award more than anyone.

 

[TheNinja]

I agree that Pujols should have gotten the MVP, but I can't argue that Howard didn't deserve it. It was just one of those times where 2 people really did deserve it. And I think it comes into people's minds that Pujols already has MVP honors and they wanted to share the wealth and build up a new star. Anybody other than those 2 would have been crazy.

 

[Kev]

Here's the most important stat:

Baseball sucks ass.

 

[Baked]

I'm just glad that freak of nature didn't win. Whinny ass ho.

 

[BudAshes]

Ryan Howard will continue to be a hitting god. Pujols will be remaining in his rearview mirror.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Ok lets show you what Pujols did. And let me tell you, the Phillies were definitely better than the Cardinals. They had the better record to prove it!!!!

Not only that you can see that Ryan Howard wasn't the cause of that. Pujols had more game winning hits/RBI's this season than any other player in history. Howard and even Ortiz didn't even come close.

You can argue that Howard had an awesome second half (Which I agree), but you forget a lot of this.

His numbers with RISP, the numbers that mean the most because that is when he can help his team, were still abysmal. Not only that, Pujols had one of the greatest first halves you can ever see. .316, 29 HR's and 76 RBI. Keep in mind that was including the fact that he missed 19 GAMES.

You also make the argument that Pujols had two RBI's in the seven game slide. Lets look at this real quick.

During the last 7 games, Pujols hit an amazing .370 with 3 HR and 8 RBI. Two of those RBI's were game winning hits.

Now lets look at his teams avgs during that 7 game slide. For those who cant read, the teams avg for that particular game is first, Pujols production is next. Then for those who cant seem to figure out how I got those numbers, I added up all the hits and divided them all by the number of AB's for the team and for Pujols. If that isn't clear enough I can record my voice and send it in an E-Mail :frown:

LOSS #7: 8 for 38 (Pujols went 2-3 with a run 2 BB's and left 1 man on Base)
LOSS #6: 10 for 38 (Pujols went 1-4 with an RBI with an RBI and a walk and left no one on base)
LOSS #5: 6 for 34 (Pujols went 2-3 with a walk and left one man on base)
LOSS #4: 11 for 37 (Pujols went 1-4 with a walk and left one man on base)
LOSS #3: 8 for 35 (Pujols went 1-4 with a run scored and left two men on base)
LOSS #2: 4 for 32 (Pujols went 1-3 with an RBI and walk and left one man on base)
LOSS #1: 4 for 30 (Pujols was hitless (0-4) and left 2 men on base)

So totaled up the team was 51-244 which equates to a .209 BA. Pujols avg was 8-25 which is .320!! He left a total of 8 men on base in 7 games.

You say that the Phillies didn't have the pitching the Cardinals did?
The Cardinals ranked 9th with a 4.54 ERA. St. Louis was 14th with 1429.2 IP. The Cardinals allowed 762 runs.

Phillies were ranked 11th with a 4.60 ERA. They were 5th with 1460.1 IP. The Phillies allowed 812 Runs.

Pretty damn even with a slight edge going to the Cardinals. Not enough to say that one teams pitching was clearly more dominant than the others.

And before you say anymore that the Cardinals had better hitting let me show you that as well.

The Cardinals ranked 6th with 781 Runs. They had a .269 BA.

The Phillies were ranked 1st with 865 Runs. They had a .267 BA.

Clearly the Phillies were far superior in generating runs.

When Pujols was gone the team ERA was over 10 and they had an 8 game losing streak.

Clearly, as I have just proved Pujols was far more valuable to his team than Howard was. Jim Edmonds and David Eckstein, 2 of the most significant run producers on the team, were gone a lot of the teams.

-Kevin

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You also make the argument that Pujols had two RBI's in the seven game slide. Lets look at this real quick.

I said their 7 game slide where they almost lost the division. NOT the last 7 games. Not to mention the stats you posted are straight BS. They are NOT the last 7 games of the season either.

Straight from ESPN.COM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=4574

DATE OPP RESULT AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS AVG
Sep. 25 SD L 6-5 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 .428 .662 1.090 .328
Sep. 26 SD L 7-5 3 1 2 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 .431 .664 1.095 .330
Sep. 27 SD W 4-2 4 2 2 0 0 1 3 0 1 1 0 .432 .669 1.101 .331
Sep. 28 MIL L 9-4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .430 .663 1.093 .329
Sep. 29 MIL W 10-5 4 1 1 0 0 1 3 1 0 0 0 .430 .666 1.096 .328
Sep. 30 MIL W 3-2 4 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .430 .667 1.097 .330
Oct. 1 MIL L 5-3 4 1 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 .431 .671 1.102 .331

Please explain to me how he hit .370 in your post, yet he never hit over .331 according to ESPN.com?

The REAL stats don't lie, but you obviously do to make a case for a player who didn't win.

"Pretty damn even with a slight edge going to the Cardinals. Not enough to say that one teams pitching was clearly more dominant than the others."

You ALWAYS say the stats don't matter or they are close enough if it involves the cards winning. WTF is it with you?

The difference in Runs allowed is 50 more for the year. But the Phillies have 2 points higher batting average and scored more runs, but "Clearly the Phillies were far superior in generating runs."

LOL, your bias is so freaking retarded it's not funny.

Guess what? Ryan Howard won the MVP. He deserved it. We're sorry you can't handle it. Ryan was far more important to his team than Albert is. He didn't miss the games, he put up huge numbers and his team rode him to almost making the playoffs.