MVNOs... what are the catches?

Shyatic

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So a few questions... first, I think that given the way things are being priced nowadays, that MVNOs are the way to go for me. I hate being locked into contracts and I'd like to use a good network (Verizon/ATT LTE) without having to pay through the nose and deal with all the frustrations.

My first question is phone choice... how do I buy an unlocked LTE phone that works with the network I want? How do I know? GSM/CDMA aren't the tech any more for LTE phones, so that's a concern. I am waiting until the next gen Nokia phones come out (Windows Phone 8), I'll buy them unlocked outright, and then sign up with a MVNO for them.

Second, what are the MVNOs available? I don't know who ties to whose network.

And lastly, any disadvantages? I'm all ears.


Thanks!
 

ImDonly1

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No mvno offers lte.

Although sprint has just began offering their lte network to mvnos.
 

benzylic

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I dont think you'll get LTE on any prepaid carrier. As far as catches the big one is probably no roaming, but ATT and Verizon networks are vast enough it probably wont matter.
 

Shyatic

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You can get HSPA+ with T-Mobile's prepaid though.

I have T-Mobile now... I think Sprint's option for WiMax is probably a better one. It's not LTE fast, but it's pretty snappy and I have a lot of options in terms of pricing.
 

Dulanic

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I have T-Mobile now... I think Sprint's option for WiMax is probably a better one. It's not LTE fast, but it's pretty snappy and I have a lot of options in terms of pricing.

Wimax doesn't even hit T-Mobile 3G speed in most situations.
 

AstroManLuca

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I have T-Mobile now... I think Sprint's option for WiMax is probably a better one. It's not LTE fast, but it's pretty snappy and I have a lot of options in terms of pricing.

Are you unhappy with T-Mobile's coverage? Because they have some really good deals if you go prepaid. Their coverage isn't the best but their data is excellent.

Just FYI, if you go with a Sprint MVNO there are a lot of disadvantages. The Sprint 3G network is incredibly slow, practically unusable it takes so long. I tested T-Mobile for about a week and it was super fast. T-Mobile's HSPA+ (~12 Mbps) was about 2x as fast as Sprint WiMax (~6 Mbps) and 40x as fast as Sprint 3G (~0.3 Mbps). Virgin Mobile is, I believe, the only one that has WiMax coverage, and only if you buy the Evo V. Which admittedly is a good phone and a decent value at $300, especially when you consider the plan is only $35 a month. For that low of a price, many people are willing to put up with slow data. And Sprint's actual coverage is good - you won't lose signal as much as with T-Mobile. But on Virgin Mobile, you can't roam onto Verizon either, you must have native Sprint coverage.

Straight Talk is a popular option. You have to be careful about your data use and don't use more than 100 MB a day or 2 GB a month. Other than that, minutes and messages are unlimited and you can bring your own phone. Costs $45 a month. You can use the AT&T network which has pretty good coverage.

And then there's also one called Page Plus. It's a Verizon MVNO. You bring your own device but it's a bit expensive with somewhat low data limits. Their best smartphone plan is $55/mo with a 2 GB monthly data cap and unlimited talk and text. Essentially the same as Page Plus but $10 more per month, but you get the Verizon network. The disadvantage is of course the cost as well as the speed - Verizon's 3G is much slower than AT&T's 3G, but still faster than Sprint. This is a better option, say, for someone who already has a Verizon smartphone out of contract and wants to save money, but it's not necessarily the best option if you want to go out and buy a Verizon phone for it.

Getting back to your original question, what's the catch with MVNOs? Usually the catch is there are a few perks offered by the big carriers that you don't get with MVNOs. Most MVNOs have either no roaming or very limited roaming. Virgin Mobile has none at all I know. Don't know about the rest but in general, you can't roam all the time like you can on a postpaid carrier. Then again, the postpaids are starting to crack down on roaming as well, at least data roaming, so that's not so big anymore. The big one I think is phone selection and pricing.

Postpaid carriers can offer the latest and greatest phones at low prices, making up the difference (and a whole lot more!) on monthly bills. Prepaid carriers sell phones without a contract, so you're getting older or low end devices at fairly high prices. No Sprint MVNO allows you to bring your own device either; you MUST buy a specifically branded device for that carrier. So you can't buy a Virgin Mobile phone and then activate it on Boost even though they are on the same network. That's pretty shitty IMO but that's how they do business. Straight Talk, T-Mobile, and Page Plus all do allow you to bring your own devices, but I know in Straight Talk's case that's a fairly recent thing.

And lastly, MVNOs tend to be less focused on smartphones. That's also changing but normally you won't get the same huge data allotments you get with postpaid carriers. Page Plus' $55 plan had a 1 GB cap until just recently when they raised it to 2 GB. Straight Talk boots you off if you use more than 2 GB a month. Virgin Mobile has a 2.5 GB cap. T-Mobile seems to be the only smartphone-centric one, offering a 100 minute, 5 GB plan for just $30/mo.
 
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Headcase_Fargone

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T-Mobile's network is plenty fast where it's available. That's the big caveat. I'm lucky to have good coverage from them wherever I go day to day, but not so much when driving across the state. But for $30 a month I put up with it happily.

I'd be hard-pressed to go back to Sprint anytime soon after being stuck with them for two years. Their data network (both EVDO and WiMax) were atrocious everywhere I went, and we're talking many big (and not so big) cities.

As things stand I'll never sign another carrier contract. It's prepaid all the way from here on out, so long as the carriers don't realize they're losing too much business to these plans and axe them.
 

ImDonly1

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Meh. 500MB/month data limit is nothing to write home about, but at least it's a start.

-Lothar

500MB/mo, I assume you are talking about FreedomPop? That's 500MB/mo FREE, no monthly fee.

There is no 500MB/mo limit for MVNOs of Sprint.
 

lothar

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500MB/mo, I assume you are talking about FreedomPop? That's 500MB/mo FREE, no monthly fee.

There is no 500MB/mo limit for MVNOs of Sprint.

The question I have now is when will Sprint MVNOs start selling phones that isn't a piece of junk?
Will they ever allow BYOD or will they continue to sell $100 piece of shit Android phones like the Optimus V, and other crap?
 

AstroManLuca

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The question I have now is when will Sprint MVNOs start selling phones that isn't a piece of junk?
Will they ever allow BYOD or will they continue to sell $100 piece of shit Android phones like the Optimus V, and other crap?

They have the Evo V (aka Evo 3D), which isn't bad at all.

Still bummed about no BYOD on any Sprint MVNO though. It sucks that you can't take a perfectly fine Evo 3D and activate it on Virgin Mobile, you have to buy a new Evo V instead even though it's exactly the same thing.
 

ImDonly1

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I don't get it, is this for mifi devices or something?

FreedomPop is a new startup that is starting later this year. They are founded by one of the skype founders or something.

The idea of the service is you get 500MB of data per month free. You only have to buy their device for $100. The device is basically a case for the iphone with an embedded wimax/lte modem, so in a way it is a hotspot. The idea is, you can connect your phone to it via wifi and have battery savings/free internet anywhere you go. If you wanted more data you would pay extra. People will buy extra data and therefore that will run the service for the people never buying any data.

demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djQih2qz900
 
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quikah

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The question I have now is when will Sprint MVNOs start selling phones that isn't a piece of junk?
Will they ever allow BYOD or will they continue to sell $100 piece of shit Android phones like the Optimus V, and other crap?

Virgin has the iPhone, Evo 3D and One V. I wouldn't consider any of those pieces of junk.
 

zarthan

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Ting.com is a very interesting new Sprint MVNO. No contract, no commitments, pay for what you use and great selection of current Android phones including the Samsung SIII. There are no phone subsidies so you do pay full price for the phone. They will be doing a BYOD soon so you will be able to pick up a phone from ebay or craigslist. Worth a look.

Oh and if you need to call support, you get directly to a person and the person who answers works to complete whatever you are calling about.
 

sixone

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Ting.com is a very interesting new Sprint MVNO. No contract, no commitments, pay for what you use and great selection of current Android phones including the Samsung SIII. There are no phone subsidies so you do pay full price for the phone. They will be doing a BYOD soon so you will be able to pick up a phone from ebay or craigslist. Worth a look.

Oh and if you need to call support, you get directly to a person and the person who answers works to complete whatever you are calling about.

I'm comparing ting.com with my current provider, Virgin Mobile. While it might save me a few bucks a month, the same phones are much more expensive than VM's.

Ting does have a better selection of phones, IMHO.
 

cardiac

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Ting.com is a very interesting new Sprint MVNO. No contract, no commitments, pay for what you use and great selection of current Android phones including the Samsung SIII. There are no phone subsidies so you do pay full price for the phone. They will be doing a BYOD soon so you will be able to pick up a phone from ebay or craigslist. Worth a look.

Oh and if you need to call support, you get directly to a person and the person who answers works to complete whatever you are calling about.


You signed up here just for this ^ ?
 

dagamer34

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Things aren't going to get better until T-Mobile refarms its PCS spectrum to support HSPA+ and starts running LTE in AWS. Then you'll be able to take any AT&T phone, unlock it, and use it at its full capacity, making the iPhone 5 a very sweet target for T-Mobile to sell subsidized next year as well as any other LTE phone AT&T has.

The important thing here is that as soon as T-Mobile deploys VoLTE (Voice over LTE), the only important thing for most people will be whether a) they can get fast data and b) they can make phone calls and T-Mobile has a lot of LTE spectrum to do that in (up to 20x20 Mhz in some markets). They'll also likely be the first carrier to roll-out LTE advanced giving even higher speeds, greater spectral efficiency, and the ability to use unpaired sections of spectrum for increased downlink or uplink speeds.

Or in English, LTE Advanced with a significant enough bump in spectrum, should be 10x greater than the LTE speeds we see today (with a peak rating of 1Gbps stationary compared to 100Mbps today). Yes, you read that correctly, 1Gbps wirelessly.
 
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