Must order all parts today!!! HELP!!! *EDIT**DONE PLACED ORDER*

[Ike0069]

For the case, just find one you like that has 120 mm fans. Newegg is a geat place to look as they have plenty of pictures of each case.

You defintiely want a good PSU. Expect to spend at least $80. (and that might be low)

Sell your 9800 pro (still a popular card and should be easy to see), and go PCI-e. I suggest a 6800 GT. Awesome card and is ready for next generation games now.

2X512 MB RAM is plenty for gaming.

Don't bother with SLI. Too loud, too hot, too expensive, and you won't even use the extra frames it gives you. One 6800 GT is plenty. If you really want a little more, just get the Ultra.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

If you want 2gb, get 2 x 1024. Newegg has some great patriot 1024 sticks with 2-3-2-5 timings for like $180 each, and you can run DDR400+ and 1T

And don't spend the bucks on the 3800+, get a 3200+ and overclock it. My 3200+ overclocked to 2.6ghz beats stock FX55 benchmarks by a nice margin because of the increased bandwidth provided by overclocking.

 

[shoRunner]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1 memory $58x2 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-164-041&depa=1 x800xl $290
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-189-002&depa=1 power supply $50

you could get the non-sli board, and a x850xt
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-142-037&depa=1

if your gaming there is no reason to get 2gb, the twinmos loves voltage so it and the dfi board work out well. i would go with a winchester 3500+ and overclock. you could go sli...but thats just not really price efficient.

if you go with the x850xt then you'd wanna get alittle better psu like...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-934&depa=1 $90
or one of the suggested seasonics

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
2 gigs isn't going to get you a whole lot most of the time. It's often recommended for people who are doing a lot of photoshop and rendering work where they're working with huge images. Eventually it's going to be a good idea for gamers, but that time hasn't come yet.

I'm not really sure on venice ETA. I just bought a 3200+ A64, so I'm in no rush to hear something superior came out, or that venice caused a big price drop in the regular A64 line

That 500watt Seasonic (or 600watt one since it's only a couple more bucks) would be a good idea if you're going SLI, but if you're not, you can get away with something for half that price.

The 430 watt Seasonic is half that price and will easily handle that system. I don't know if I'd trust it with SLI though.

I have that one and it's encredibly quiet.

That's exactly why I quoted the 500 since he's buying a SLI board........he may need it in the future....

And in case SLI is a future possibility....nVidia Option Video card

For SLI, why not spend an extra $10 then and get the 600watt one?

EDIT: much better deal

Um, I'm not giving references to purchase........references to view products as Egg is easiest....

Ok, I'm just saying that in general I don't think that the 500watt one makes sense when you can get the 600watt one for a little more at newegg.

The updated better deal was to show that I wasn't recommending purchasing the 600watt one at newegg as there are much better deals out there. I didn't mean to say that you did a bad job linking to newegg to show him the 500watt option, I just thought that the 600watt made more sense and then gave a good place to buy it.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Ike0069
For the case, just find one you like that has 120 mm fans. Newegg is a geat place to look as they have plenty of pictures of each case.

You defintiely want a good PSU. Expect to spend at least $80. (and that might be low)

Sell your 9800 pro (still a popular card and should be easy to see), and go PCI-e. I suggest a 6800 GT. Awesome card and is ready for next generation games now.

2X512 MB RAM is plenty for gaming.

Don't bother with SLI. Too loud, too hot, too expensive, and you won't even use the extra frames it gives you. One 6800 GT is plenty. If you really want a little more, just get the Ultra.

I agree with this. An alternative to the 6800gt is an X800XL. It doesn't have a feature or two that the 6800gt does, but it's $100 cheaper at newegg and performs comparably. Benchmarks of all the cards you should be considering

EDIT: oh, and SLI benchies if you want to see those.

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
If you want 2gb, get 2 x 1024. Newegg has some great patriot 1024 sticks with 2-3-2-5 timings for like $180 each, and you can run DDR400+ and 1T

And don't spend the bucks on the 3800+, get a 3200+ and overclock it. My 3200+ overclocked to 2.6ghz beats stock FX55 benchmarks by a nice margin because of the increased bandwidth provided by overclocking.

If I do this, do I have to worry about getting an alternate cooling for the cpu? Is it hard to overclock?

BTW guys I really do appreciate all of your feedback. Keep it comin'!

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: w4rr3n

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
If you want 2gb, get 2 x 1024. Newegg has some great patriot 1024 sticks with 2-3-2-5 timings for like $180 each, and you can run DDR400+ and 1T

And don't spend the bucks on the 3800+, get a 3200+ and overclock it. My 3200+ overclocked to 2.6ghz beats stock FX55 benchmarks by a nice margin because of the increased bandwidth provided by overclocking.

If I do this, do I have to worry about getting an alternate cooling for the cpu? Is it hard to overclock?

BTW guys I really do appreciate all of your feedback. Keep it comin'!

No, it'll be easy to O/C........as far as cooling, the retail box chip will provide a decent cooling solution albeit a bit loud. For an alternative, the XP90 AL is fairly cheap now and with a quiet 92mm fan it will lend to a quiet system......

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

What can the 3200 OC to SAFELY with the stock HSF?

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: w4rr3n
What can the 3200 OC to SAFELY with the stock HSF?

No telling.......to many variables. if you get a CBBID/LBBID chip, you may not get far at all..........

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: w4rr3n
What can the 3200 OC to SAFELY with the stock HSF?

No telling.......to many variables. if you get a CBBID/LBBID chip, you may not get far at all..........

Eh, I think I better just stick with the 3500 or 3800....that way I don't really have to overclock....I don't want to fry anything.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: w4rr3n

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: w4rr3n
What can the 3200 OC to SAFELY with the stock HSF?

No telling.......to many variables. if you get a CBBID/LBBID chip, you may not get far at all..........

Eh, I think I better just stick with the 3500 or 3800....that way I don't really have to overclock....I don't want to fry anything.

Personally.......stick with the 3500......for the money and the speed, the 3500 IMHO is a better deal....and if you wanna O/C in the future, you can expiereiment with small O/C's with the 3500!

Oh, and if you would be considering the X800XL, be sure and look at the cards with power connection on the card. There are many instances of systems with X800XL cards without power connections on the card and relying only on PCI-E power having weird anomollies and problems in general......

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: w4rr3n

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: w4rr3n
What can the 3200 OC to SAFELY with the stock HSF?

No telling.......to many variables. if you get a CBBID/LBBID chip, you may not get far at all..........

Eh, I think I better just stick with the 3500 or 3800....that way I don't really have to overclock....I don't want to fry anything.

Personally.......stick with the 3500......for the money and the speed, the 3500 IMHO is a better deal....and if you wanna O/C in the future, you can expiereiment with small O/C's with the 3500!

LoL ok, so the one thing I was set on, I am now changing which was my cpu...haha...2 steps forward 3 steps back...

Ok so we've settle it, my cpu will be the 3500.
now what Motherboard, the SLI-DR is no longer available at newegg
RAM = 2x 512mb Ballistix
Video card = Depending one what MB I get, but I think im going with an ATI X800PE, just not sure which brand is best...
power supply = Seasonic correct? I saw a 430w one,enough???I really liked this One but you guys say its no good.
case = Still undecided, but Im guessing this Lian-Li is my best bet. I'd like one with 120mm fans and maybe a bit bigger....

So how's that so far?

 

[EndGame]

You'll be the one using the system, so you have to have final say so......

If it were me, these would be my picks of what you need...

Case - you chose

Ram - you chose

Video - I'd go for x800XT or 6800GT

Motherboard - I'd go with DFI at Zip Zoom Fly or Asus A8N or MSI......almost any nForce ULTRA board......

Power Supply - I'd go with the Seasonic either 430 or 500 or 600

What about a sound card??? DVD-RW???

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

Originally posted by: EndGame
You'll be the one using the system, so you have to have final say so......

If it were me, these would be my picks of what you need...

Case - you chose

Ram - you chose

Video - I'd go for x800XT or 6800GT

Motherboard - I'd go with DFI at Zip Zoom Fly or Asus A8N or MSI......almost any nForce ULTRA board......

Power Supply - I'd go with the Seasonic either 430 or 500 or 600

What about a sound card??? DVD-RW???

I really wanted to get all the pieces from one place...BUT if the DFI is that much better I could just get that from somewhere else...

Already picked out the DVD rw, and I'll just use the onboard sound...thats usually good enough these days right?

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: w4rr3n

Originally posted by: EndGame
You'll be the one using the system, so you have to have final say so......

If it were me, these would be my picks of what you need...

Case - you chose

Ram - you chose

Video - I'd go for x800XT or 6800GT

Motherboard - I'd go with DFI at Zip Zoom Fly or Asus A8N or MSI......almost any nForce ULTRA board......

Power Supply - I'd go with the Seasonic either 430 or 500 or 600

What about a sound card??? DVD-RW???

I really wanted to get all the pieces from one place...BUT if the DFI is that much better I could just get that from somewhere else...

Already picked out the DVD rw, and I'll just use the onboard sound...thats usually good enough these days right?

Well, if you want to consolodate the order.......the MSI is good and I personally have had great results with the Asus board. The DFI is basicly an O/C'ers board......I have one and it's fine, but takes some fine tuning and there are lots of bios options to tune with! The Asus as I said (I've built 3 systems with them now both SLI and non-SLI) have been rock solid, easy to setup, and still have plenty of options.

As for sound, the onboard sound is OK if you don't expect much from it......

 

[leedog2007]

First off, if gaming is all your worried about, you'll loose some fps with the onboard sound. Check out pricewatch.com for good prices. If you plan on going sli you might want to get 2 video cards now if you've got the money, or hold out for the next generation. If you've waited this long with the 1900, you can go alittle longer. A good site to check out for benchmarks is tomshardware.com, and anandtech, check out the articles. Then you can make a better informed decision.

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

Originally posted by: leedog2007
First off, if gaming is all your worried about, you'll loose some fps with the onboard sound. Check out pricewatch.com for good prices. If you plan on going sli you might want to get 2 video cards now if you've got the money, or hold out for the next generation. If you've waited this long with the 1900, you can go alittle longer. A good site to check out for benchmarks is tomshardware.com, and anandtech, check out the articles. Then you can make a better informed decision.

Crap...So I should get a soundcard too then huh...hmm...

I've looked at the benchmarks, just hard to make a choice when it comes down to it, ya know?

Originally I wanted the DFI SLI-DR board, but now newegg is out because I waited too long..so now Im not sure...although, even If I got the SLI I dont know if I'd use it right away because I cant spend $800 on Video cards...thats crazy... $400-450 I can bare.

So now Im leaning towards not going SLI although i really think I should...

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: w4rr3n

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: w4rr3n
What can the 3200 OC to SAFELY with the stock HSF?

No telling.......to many variables. if you get a CBBID/LBBID chip, you may not get far at all..........

Eh, I think I better just stick with the 3500 or 3800....that way I don't really have to overclock....I don't want to fry anything.

With the current 3200+ 2.4ghz seems almost guarantee, 2.5-2.6 is more likely, the current 3000+'s seem to be suffering from AMD's improved binning and not overclocking like the older ones. A review currently posted in this forum shows the Venice 3200+ running 2.8ghz with stock volts

And frying a CPU from overclocking is impossible if you use just a little common sense and monitor your temps. And reducing the overall life of the chip is a non factor as the real useful life of a CPU before it becomes obsolete is only a few years. Your chip will be worth $25 long before it dies of old age.

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

If I overclock it will be on the 3500 just because at the price of a 3200, I wouldnt want to overclock unless I didnt use the stock HSF so that bumps the price right up to about the same as the 3500 regular.

I do however appreciate your input, and I'll be looking into OC'ing more. (first OC was a celeron 366@550 years ago.. haha)

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

Any ideas on which soundcard I should get?

Also, is it stupid to get the DFI SLI-DR and then get an ATI card?

I'm kind of an ATI fanboy these days I guess...

Also anybody know anything about EWiz are they trustworthy?

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

BUMP^^

 

[Ike0069]

Sound card is not needed. You might lose 2 fps using onboard sound, so you won't even notice. Only get a sound card if your onboard is having problems, or you just really want better sound.

I still suggest going NON-SLI. But it's your choice and if paying extra for a SLI board will make you feel more comfortable, get one. It does suck to buy something, and immediately feel like you made a wrong decision. Of course buying one and then getting an ATI card would be completely pointless.

You could also look at the MSI Neo4 boards. I personally would only get the DFI if I wanted to get the maxium OC, as it is set up for that. Overall, I think the DFI layout is crappy, but is still a good board.

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

First off, I just want to thank you all for the sound advice...especiall you endgame.

I ordered LATE last night...technically early this morning.

Here's what I got:
AMD 64 3500+ CPU
MSI Motherboard MSI "K8T NEO2-F" VIA K8T800 Pro
RAM Crucial Ballistix 184-Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 X2
Hard drives WD Raptor 74GB
WD 250GB 7200RPM SATA
Power supply Seasonic 430w
Lian-Li Case PC-65B
Dvd drive Sony Black 52x32x52x16 Combo Drive
dvd drive2 Sony Internal 16X DVD+/-RW Black Dual Layer Drive
floppy SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive

Any problems you guys can see??? I hope not...

I went this route for a couple reasons...

With all my confusion over wether to go SLI or not I decided that because im partial to ATI, and my immediate concerns with CPU power is taken care of, I dont mind waiting until ATI has something similar to "SLI".

I wanted to go PCIe, but I decided to wait on that as well because when I do, I'll just go ATI AMR or whatever they decide to call their "SLI" type MB and get 2.

I had my 9800pro already, so then I just needed a good MB to go with it. the MSI I chose was anand's pick for 939 AGP, and that's good enough for me, besides it was cheap, so Its not a total waste of money when I upgrade to a new motherboard and PCIe card probably within the next 6 months.

So basically I bought everything for the future and then threw in the best and cheapest 939 AGP motherboard I could find for now. One big buy now and then in 6 months or so I will only have to buy a new MB and 2 ATI PCIe cards to "SLI" later.

This seemed like the MOST logical way to do things...maybe not...I'm open for any criticism on the matter.

Thanks again everyone that offered help to me, I really appreciate your efforts.

 

[imported_w4rr3n]

^^BUMP^^

 

[Ike0069]

I would have gone for a Winchester core on the 3500+, but since you don't plan to OC, it doesn't really matter.
As for the RAM, why only 512 and why the expensive stuff? You could have gotten 2x512 value RAM for <$100. That RAM is for OC'ers.
Everything else looks very nice.