Must one be an idiot to consider running for Pres in the GOP?

[chucky2]

Have gay people ever turned straight?

FWIW, I only know 3 gay people, and all of them later in life worked out their life issues and realized trauma from childhood (in this case it was molestation for all 3) had made them gay - they are all straight now (well, one chick is mildly Bi).

This is why I laugh when people throw out the 'Well they are born that way' reasoning to justify pro-gay policies, making it sound like all gays are that way.

 

[feralkid]

FWIW, I only know 3 gay people, and all of them later in life worked out their life issues and realized trauma from childhood (in this case it was molestation for all 3) had made them gay - they are all straight now (well, one chick is mildly Bi).

This is why I laugh when people throw out the 'Well they are born that way' reasoning to justify pro-gay policies, making it sound like all gays are that way.

And this post is why we all laugh at you.

 

[First]

And this post is why we all laugh at you.

lol. It is by no means the only reason.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
I am pretty sure this guy wants to attack gays by saying it is a choice. Of course it is a "choice", a choice dictated by genetics usually and by necessity at other times (see above).

So they've found the 'gay gene'?

I didn't think so.

It's not a topic I follow, but seems to me we don't really know. Maybe you guys have medical/science data I haven't seen?

I'm not defending his remarks (I can't even hear them, my PC doesn't have audio) but seems to me hard to criticize someone for having an opinion one way or the other if it isn't known by science.

Personally, I think in some situations it is genetic and others it isn't. I.e., no one right answer.

Fern

 

[VRAMdemon]

This guy is a doctor?! ... WTF!

 

[feralkid]

This guy is a doctor?! ... WTF!

You'd be surprised how far certain clueless and socially awkward people can go, once they focus on a certain discipline.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I don't understand the "natural vs. unnatural" debate, frankly. I'm a child of lesbian parents and I've always come down on the "they're born that way" side of things. But even if they aren't... so what? It's not like two guys who want to bone each other are hurting anyone. There are hundreds of things we do every day that aren't "natural," like using a computer or driving or drinking or smoking or hang gliding or target shooting or dyeing your hair or whatever. Are we banning all those things? Why bother with an argument about whether homosexuality is natural or not when that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not gay behavior is something we should seek to end? It can be the most unnatural thing we've come up with as a species, but as long as it's between consenting adults, who gives a shit? To me the "natural" debate is a giant red herring that doesn't offer any insight into whether or not we should seek to punish the behavior as a society since there are so many other unnatural behaviors we tolerate just fine. It's a meaningless distinction used to dehumanize an already marginalized group by people who have absolutely no interest in the actual science behind it.

 

[VRAMdemon]

You'd be surprised how far certain clueless and socially awkward people can go, once they focus on a certain discipline.

Well, I have no reason to doubt his medical skills, but I assume he means that those committing the prison rape are choosing to be gay. Still, I wish someone would challenge "Dr" Carson to produce some stats on straight inmates who have raped other same-sex inmates and later self-identified as gay. My guess is .. oh, around "zero".

The odd thing is that even if it were true (people going in straight and coming out gay), that still wouldn't prove it was a choice. Who chooses to get raped in prison? And, of course, the cure then becomes obvious, lol!. Have the guy rape a woman. Problem solved!

I thought that nothing would top the last cycle's GOP primary debates for pure entertainment value, but Carson's participation could very well change that.

 

[Blanky]

So they've found the 'gay gene'?

I didn't think so.

It's not a topic I follow, but seems to me we don't really know. Maybe you guys have medical/science data I haven't seen?

I'm not defending his remarks (I can't even hear them, my PC doesn't have audio) but seems to me hard to criticize someone for having an opinion one way or the other if it isn't known by science.

Personally, I think in some situations it is genetic and others it isn't. I.e., no one right answer.

Fern

My mockery is less concerned with his view--which, while I don't agree with it, I don't "vehemently" disagree with it enough to care--and his obvious complete disconnect with the politics of the nation and the social causes of the day. In short, it's a stupid thing to say.

 

[werepossum]

I don't understand the "natural vs. unnatural" debate, frankly. I'm a child of lesbian parents and I've always come down on the "they're born that way" side of things. But even if they aren't... so what? It's not like two guys who want to bone each other are hurting anyone. There are hundreds of things we do every day that aren't "natural," like using a computer or driving or drinking or smoking or hang gliding or target shooting or dyeing your hair or whatever. Are we banning all those things? Why bother with an argument about whether homosexuality is natural or not when that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not gay behavior is something we should seek to end? It can be the most unnatural thing we've come up with as a species, but as long as it's between consenting adults, who gives a shit? To me the "natural" debate is a giant red herring that doesn't offer any insight into whether or not we should seek to punish the behavior as a society since there are so many other unnatural behaviors we tolerate just fine. It's a meaningless distinction used to dehumanize an already marginalized group by people who have absolutely no interest in the actual science behind it.

This, exactly, and well said. What moron blasts through the sky in a pressurized, jet-propelled metal tube to give a speech on how homosexuality isn't natural? (Sadly, the answer appears to be most of my political party's leadership.)

As far as the OP's question, perhaps President Obama could have one of his Navy Corpse Men find us an answer.

 

[Atreus21]

FWIW, I only know 3 gay people, and all of them later in life worked out their life issues and realized trauma from childhood (in this case it was molestation for all 3) had made them gay - they are all straight now (well, one chick is mildly Bi).

This is why I laugh when people throw out the 'Well they are born that way' reasoning to justify pro-gay policies, making it sound like all gays are that way.

My opinion: There are genetic elements as well as environmental elements in play.

 

[Atreus21]

Sorry, are you asking if someone gay has participated in heterosexual sex? Because you don't have to wait... it happens.

Also, I thought all those pray away the gay camps had a perfect success rate.

You're saying no?

I'm asking, uh, exactly what I asked. It's a yes or no question.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm asking, uh, exactly what I asked. It's a yes or no question.

Doesn't make it a good one, as evidenced by my questions for clarity.

 

[chucky2]

And this post is why we all laugh at you.

Zinger! Next you'll be telling us people need training to pick up litter...

 

[chucky2]

My opinion: There are genetic elements as well as environmental elements in play.

That's really the only reasonable explanation. The reason doesn't really matter IMO, the fact is, if someone is gay, bi, poly, whatever, it doesn't really matter regarding what legal rights they should be entitled to. It's a pointless point to focus on regarding gay rights, which is why it's perplexing when either side tries and puts their spin on it.

 

[feralkid]

That's really the only reasonable explanation. The reason doesn't really matter IMO, the fact is, if someone is gay, bi, poly, whatever, it doesn't really matter regarding what legal rights they should be entitled to. It's a pointless point to focus on regarding gay rights, which is why it's perplexing when either side tries and puts their spin on it.

Like you did?

 

[chucky2]

Like you did?

Sorry kid, First is all over that title...

EDIT: My apologies, I thought you were responding to my other quote to you. I don't know where I spun it at all. I responded to a post, what else did you want me to say to not have it be "spun"?

 

[feralkid]

Sorry kid, First is all over that title...

EDIT: My apologies, I thought you were responding to my other quote to you. I don't know where I spun it at all. I responded to a post, what else did you want me to say to not have it be "spun"?

Just pointing out that statements such as "That's the only reasonable explanation" can sound like "spin".

Actually, I fully agree with your last post...

 

[chucky2]

Just pointing out that statements such as "That's the only reasonable explanation" can sound like "spin".

Actually, I fully agree with your last post...

Yes, I agree...I think in this case though, I'm not sure what else there could be. Either one is born with it, or, life's circumstances form you into something not normal (hetero). I guess one could argue that since it's the brain that ultimately decides what you identify with, someone with a completely normal upbringing could in fact physiologically, and not by social circumstance, turn not-hetero. Again though, as I think we agree, it doesn't matter.

 

[thraashman]

I'm beginning to like Ben Carson. He keeps proving that even the extremely dim-witted can grow up to become doctors. That's encouraging for our nation's youth.

 

[chucky2]

I'm beginning to like Ben Carson. He keeps proving that even the extremely dim-witted can grow up to become doctors. That's encouraging for our nation's youth.

Don't get too encouraged too quick. Our US Citizen youth is busy playing video games and Facebooking while we let 10's of Millions of competitors in for them (legally and illegally), not to mention offshoring and inshoring. Becoming a doctor takes some effort, lots more suited to the Asians, Indians, and Chinese...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I'm still hoping for a Santorum-Bachman/Palin ticket. Senator Butt-goo FTW!

 

[Atreus21]

Doesn't make it a good one, as evidenced by my questions for clarity.

On the contrary, as evidenced by your continued evasion of a simple answer, it's apparently a very good question.

 

[jhbball]

So they've found the 'gay gene'?

I didn't think so.

It's not a topic I follow, but seems to me we don't really know. Maybe you guys have medical/science data I haven't seen?

I'm not defending his remarks (I can't even hear them, my PC doesn't have audio) but seems to me hard to criticize someone for having an opinion one way or the other if it isn't known by science.

Personally, I think in some situations it is genetic and others it isn't. I.e., no one right answer.

Fern

hicks gonna be hicks ^

 

[Sonikku]

FWIW, I only know 3 gay people, and all of them later in life worked out their life issues and realized trauma from childhood (in this case it was molestation for all 3) had made them gay - they are all straight now (well, one chick is mildly Bi).

This is why I laugh when people throw out the 'Well they are born that way' reasoning to justify pro-gay policies, making it sound like all gays are that way.

lol