Muslims want to stone a woman...

[gopunk]

Okay, you don't seem to see that even if the law is stupid, she could have left and lived under another law and not have been sentanced to death for being raped, essentially. The law is stupid. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is that she is allowing the law to do it to her because she didn't leave.

yes, she could have, but nobody was even talking about that until you brought it up. what makes me curious is why you choose to focus on her shortcomings rather than the (arguably more disturbing and important) shortcomings of the law there.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk
Okay, you don't seem to see that even if the law is stupid, she could have left and lived under another law and not have been sentanced to death for being raped, essentially. The law is stupid. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is that she is allowing the law to do it to her because she didn't leave.

yes, she could have, but nobody was even talking about that until you brought it up. what makes me curious is why you choose to focus on her shortcomings rather than the (arguably more disturbing and important) shortcomings of the law there.

One is easy to change. A religion that has been around for millenia is hardly going to change.

nik

 

[LemonHead]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Pr0Hawk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

yeah, like she can move elsewhere

She has feet, doesn't she? She can walk, can't she?

nik

Why are you so ignorant? You think she can just go walk out of the country? HAH!! Im sure they will also send her a goodbye card too.

Did she make an effort to leave in the 9 months she had after she was raped to leave? No. If she simply would have left, no one would have noticed. But, instead, she had the child inside the muslim reign. Now... if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I find it very hard to believe that this couldn't have been avoided.

nik

does it matter? no. the law is still stupid.

Okay, you don't seem to see that even if the law is stupid, she could have left and lived under another law and not have been sentanced to death for being raped, essentially. The law is stupid. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is that she is allowing the law to do it to her because she didn't leave.

Dude, how the heck is she supposed to "leave?" Women in that area are treated like property. She probably has trouble going to the market without needing permission from somone. Leaving is not that simple.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk
Okay, you don't seem to see that even if the law is stupid, she could have left and lived under another law and not have been sentanced to death for being raped, essentially. The law is stupid. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is that she is allowing the law to do it to her because she didn't leave.

yes, she could have, but nobody was even talking about that until you brought it up. what makes me curious is why you choose to focus on her shortcomings rather than the (arguably more disturbing and important) shortcomings of the law there.

One is easy to change. A religion that has been around for millenia is hardly going to change.

i disagree, it is quite possible for old things to change, and it is cases like this that make it painfully evident that they do need change.

what is happening with this woman is a symptom of an existing disease. the cure to a disease is not to hide and find ways around the symptom.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Pr0Hawk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

yeah, like she can move elsewhere

She has feet, doesn't she? She can walk, can't she?

nik

Why are you so ignorant? You think she can just go walk out of the country? HAH!! Im sure they will also send her a goodbye card too.

Did she make an effort to leave in the 9 months she had after she was raped to leave? No. If she simply would have left, no one would have noticed. But, instead, she had the child inside the muslim reign. Now... if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I find it very hard to believe that this couldn't have been avoided.

nik

does it matter? no. the law is still stupid.

Okay, you don't seem to see that even if the law is stupid, she could have left and lived under another law and not have been sentanced to death for being raped, essentially. The law is stupid. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is that she is allowing the law to do it to her because she didn't leave.

The ignorance has reached a whole new level here, folks...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

The ignorance has reached a whole new level here, folks...

And with the astoundingly informative post above, I can say the same thing about you.

and it is cases like this that make it painfully evident that they do need change

No one said it didn't need to change.

But, since all I'm getting is attacked for a logically western opinion, I'll leave ya'll to your own devices.

nik

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

yeah, like she can move elsewhere

She has feet, doesn't she? She can walk, can't she?

nik

It's really a shame tht your relationship with your mother has poisoned your heart to the point that you hate women as a group to this extent Nik,it makes me very sad

 

[gopunk]

No one said it didn't need to change.

But, since all I'm getting is attacked for a logically western opinion, I'll leave ya'll to your own devices.

run run run! before you find out you're wrong!

furthermore, this woman's actions can no longer be changed, since they have already occured. whereas the laws can always be changed.

frankly, i don't know how logical it is to dwell on the past if there's nothing that can be done about it, nik.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

yeah, like she can move elsewhere

She has feet, doesn't she? She can walk, can't she?

nik

It's really a shame tht your relationship with your mother has poisoned your heart to the point that you hate women as a group to this extent Nik,it makes me very sad

Uh... okay, this I will respond to. First of all, how dare you. You of all people! The relationship I have with my mom doesn't have much of a bearing - although it obviously has bearing on virtually everything in life as it does with each individual. The fact that the woman doesn't just get up and leave doesn't reflect on how bitter I am toward my mother, whether I'm bitter or not at this point. For all you know, I could have resolved things months ago. Second of all, I'm just stating that she has the opportunity to leave. She should have left. She should have known what was possibly going to happen to her. She just waited around for it!? WTF... I have a hard time believing that. She should have left for her own self preservation if not for the preservation of her child.

nik

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

The ignorance has reached a whole new level here, folks...

And with the astoundingly informative post above, I can say the same thing about you.

No, you can't.

and it is cases like this that make it painfully evident that they do need change

No one said it didn't need to change.

But, since all I'm getting is attacked for a logically western opinion, I'll leave ya'll to your own devices.

nik

And that's the point. Western ideals and opinions don't matter in a place where none of them exist.

It's like telling a starving african farmer to get a job and buy groceries at his local supermarket.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

i don't know how logical it is to dwell on the past if there's nothing that can be done about it, nik

Hense the reason I'm not continuing the conversation with people who simply refuse to accept someone else's opinion...

nik

 

[gopunk]

Second of all, I'm just stating that she has the opportunity to leave. She should have left. She should have known what was possibly going to happen to her. She just waited around for it!? WTF... I have a hard time believing that. She should have left for her own self preservation if not for the preservation of her child.

so, why do you think she didn't leave?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: BDawg
It's like telling a starving african farmer to get a job and buy groceries at his local supermarket.

Or move to a country or society that will allow him to do so? I don't see anything wrong with that. People have a little control over their destiny, ya know.

okay, seriously... bye bye

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: gopunk
Second of all, I'm just stating that she has the opportunity to leave. She should have left. She should have known what was possibly going to happen to her. She just waited around for it!? WTF... I have a hard time believing that. She should have left for her own self preservation if not for the preservation of her child.

so, why do you think she didn't leave?

Well duh...women love to be treated like sh** and ordered around by men. The bible/koran says so.

:disgust:

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

yeah, like she can move elsewhere

She has feet, doesn't she? She can walk, can't she?

nik

It's really a shame tht your relationship with your mother has poisoned your heart to the point that you hate women as a group to this extent Nik,it makes me very sad

Uh... okay, this I will respond to. First of all, how dare you. You of all people! The relationship I have with my mom doesn't have much of a bearing - although it obviously has bearing on virtually everything in life as it does with each individual. The fact that the woman doesn't just get up and leave doesn't reflect on how bitter I am toward my mother, whether I'm bitter or not at this point. For all you know, I could have resolved things months ago. Second of all, I'm just stating that she has the opportunity to leave. She should have left. She should have known what was possibly going to happen to her. She just waited around for it!? WTF... I have a hard time believing that. She should have left for her own self preservation if not for the preservation of her child.

nik

How dare I?

The very same way you dared to assume and presume that this woman had the physical freedom to leave in a country with such harsh laws governing women!

At least in my case I had more info to go before stating my opinion. The coldness of your reply here really saddens me Nik and that isn't a slam,it is sadness for you

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

i don't know how logical it is to dwell on the past if there's nothing that can be done about it, nik

Hense the reason I'm not continuing the conversation with people who simply refuse to accept someone else's opinion...

nik

that wasn't my point, i'm wondering why you even brought it up in the first place. we're all here, getting upset because the law is so dumb, and you choose to throw in a point that is more or less irrelevant. why? or were you just giving us friendly advice, lest one of us ever finds ourselves pregnant, out of wedlock, female, and in a muslim country?

btw, if you only have conversations to convince other people of your own opinion... well... you're going to be a little disappointed in life.

 

[LemonHead]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

yeah, like she can move elsewhere

She has feet, doesn't she? She can walk, can't she?

nik

It's really a shame tht your relationship with your mother has poisoned your heart to the point that you hate women as a group to this extent Nik,it makes me very sad

Uh... okay, this I will respond to. First of all, how dare you. You of all people! The relationship I have with my mom doesn't have much of a bearing - although it obviously has bearing on virtually everything in life as it does with each individual. The fact that the woman doesn't just get up and leave doesn't reflect on how bitter I am toward my mother, whether I'm bitter or not at this point. For all you know, I could have resolved things months ago. Second of all, I'm just stating that she has the opportunity to leave. She should have left. She should have known what was possibly going to happen to her. She just waited around for it!? WTF... I have a hard time believing that. She should have left for her own self preservation if not for the preservation of her child.

nik

Kay, I'll say it again: HOW THE #*$&@ IS SHE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE????? WHERE EXACTLY IS SHE SUPPOSED TO GO??? do you have any idea how hard it is to leave a country where you probably don't have many rights? GET A FRIGGIN' CLUE DUDE!!


:disgust:


<* takes deep breath *> Sorry for the shouting, but I just popped for a second.

Ok, all better.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Did she make an effort to leave in the 9 months she had after she was raped to leave? No. If she simply would have left, no one would have noticed. But, instead, she had the child inside the muslim reign. Now... if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I find it very hard to believe that this couldn't have been avoided.

You'd actually be pretty surprised at how nutty is can be in these countries...I've spent way too much time for my liking in them. Urban Pakistan is arguably more sophisticated than Nigeria, and even when I visited there, my female cousins could not:

A) Learn to drive, or
B) Go out using a male driver/servant if the parents were not home.

This essentially means being chained to your house - your chances of being female and taking the nonexistant public transit, hitchhiking or travelling by foot are slim to nil. Most likely scenario would be being abducted, raped and dumped in a field somewhere only a couple hours outside any city. The parents of the girls don't know any better, but they sure think they know everything about their kids and what's best. Sure as hell no room for discussion either.

My surprise is in that she didn't perform a crude abortion on herself to avoid this happening. Perhaps she didn't really think it would come to this, and hopefully it won't.

 

[Mister T]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If that's their law, then that's their law. She broke it. There are consequences. She incurred them. If she didn't agree with them, there are plenty of other places to live in the world with much better laws.

nik

Question:

Nik, lets pretend you were Jewish in 1940 and lived in Germany. One day the majority decided to pass a law that says being Jewish is illegal, punishable by gassing. You had 2 options, flee the country, or pretend you weren't Jewish. But, what if you were caught while doing either? Oh, woops, you broke the law... I guess you deserve to die.

Do you see how your statement is ignorant yet? Just because a bunch of people get together and decide on a law, does not make it right or acceptable. Its not as simple as you like to make it.

 

[Red Dawn]

nevermind

 

[Kadarin]

Islam, such the enlightened, tolerant, peace-loving, progressive, forward-thinking religion...

I wish that it was possible to destroy even the very idea of Islam, and have it never return to the world.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Islam, such the enlightened, tolerant, peace-loving, progressive, forward-thinking religion...

I wish that it was possible to destroy even the very idea of Islam, and have it never return to the world.

Wow, look, a comment from someone who isn't shackled by political correctness. How very rare.

I agree.

Though, given the choice I would detroy the 'idea' of all religions. But I would most certainly start with Islam.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: BDawg
It's like telling a starving african farmer to get a job and buy groceries at his local supermarket.

Or move to a country or society that will allow him to do so? I don't see anything wrong with that. People have a little control over their destiny, ya know.

okay, seriously... bye bye

Your stupidity is astounding even by my standards.

Leave how?

She has no money.
She has no assets.
She isn't allowed unescorted in public.
This isn't some posh Western country. She can't just call the Salvation Army.
She has an infant.
She lives in a hell hole of a continent where people are starving in record numbers and water is a luxury.

So, how does she leave? Start walking? Walk to where? How far will she walk before she and her baby die of starvation and/or dehydration?

 

[d0Rk]

Right On the point. All of the world's major religions advocate love, forgivingness, compassion and tolerance of the entire human race. I have yet to see one of them live up to that expectation. They all murder people in the name of GOD (whom they claim to represent). Religion is just a tool created by men in power to control those who dont have it. A second form of government. You show up, you pay them, and then they tell you about your values and beliefs (brainwashed, hence suicide killers). They sell you BULLSHIT!!! And now these freaks want to murder a rape victim. I say off with all of their heads. This woman is a victim, not a criminal.

 

[Xcrown]

Yes, because all of us that belive in God or a god are crazy zealots intent on destroying all human life. Unfortunately, its so easy (and in fashion) to blame problems on groups these days. For that matter, ignorant uneducated people can be swayed just as easy by political propaganda (Nazi, Comunism) as they can be by Religion. Or maybe just simple philosophies can enrage a whole people and make them go insane and kill people. The moment you blame an entire "group" for the insanities of a few, youve been swayed by another propaganda.

But what do I know? I go to church, so I must be a crazy fool.
Watch out, I might come after you.

Xcrown