Muslims nations: Defame Islam you will get sued

[Socio]

Muslims nations: Defame Islam, get sued

DAKAR, Senegal -- The Muslim world has created a battle plan to defend its religion from political cartoonists and bigots.

Concerned about what they see as a rise in the defamation of Islam, leaders of the world's Muslim nations are considering taking legal action against those that slight their religion or its sacred symbols.

Though the legal measures being considered have not been spelled out, the idea pits many Muslims against principles of freedom of speech enshrined in the constitutions of numerous Western governments.

"I don't think freedom of expression should mean freedom from blasphemy," said Senegal's President Abdoulaye Wade, the chairman of the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference. "There can be no freedom without limits."

Don't you have to actually believe in the religion before you can blaspheme it?

The report urges the creation of a "legal instrument" to crack down on defamation of Islam. Some delegates point to laws in Europe criminalizing the denial of the Holocaust and other anti-Semitic rhetoric. They also point to articles within various U.N. charters that condemn discrimination based on religion and argue that these should be ramped up.

I don't think this will fly in the US, at least I hope not. However, Europe has set precedence where by it could very well happen and people could be jailed for criticizing Islam. If that comes to pass it would give Muslims a powerful weapon and be a huge step toward the Islamification of Europe.

 

[bamx2]

Get you sued ? How about get you jailed or executed .

 

[CanOWorms]

Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

How can you integrate when the government and mainstream society despises you? Are you suggesting that they change their name, religion, and color of their skin? That is not required to integrate. It is something that must be worked on both of the sides.

Several European nations have restrictions or actively work against places of worship, dress, etc. for minority groups.

 

[Craig234]

"There can be no freedom without limits."
Senegal's President Abdoulaye Wade, the chairman of the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference
Re: Criticism of Mohammed

"There ought to be limits to freedom."
President George W. Bush.
Re: Criticism of George W. Bush on www.gwbush.com

 

[babylon5]

Organized religion is bad idea. Fantasty tales for the masses.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

How can you integrate when the government and mainstream society despises you? Are you suggesting that they change their name, religion, and color of their skin? That is not required to integrate. It is something that must be worked on both of the sides.

Several European nations have restrictions or actively work against places of worship, dress, etc. for minority groups.

Wow I totally agree with you here (and not just necessarily for this topic - but in general. Its hard to integrate anywhere if people have a distrust of you...if anything it encourages isolationism and segregation

 

[ranmaniac]

Sounds like the Islamic version of the ADL.

 

[Nitemare]

well it beats getting beheaded

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

Really, funny how NO American papers had the guts to stand up for it while papers all over Europe did, must be because we're so fucking opressed and hate minorities, right?

No one in Europe really gives a shit where you come from as long as you are a law abiding citizen that is willing to work and pay your fucking taxes

Retards like you... i thought they died out with Eisenhower but apparently not.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

How can you integrate when the government and mainstream society despises you? Are you suggesting that they change their name, religion, and color of their skin? That is not required to integrate. It is something that must be worked on both of the sides.

Several European nations have restrictions or actively work against places of worship, dress, etc. for minority groups.

Wow I totally agree with you here (and not just necessarily for this topic - but in general. Its hard to integrate anywhere if people have a distrust of you...if anything it encourages isolationism and segregation

You either don't get what he is saying (EU is a Nazist union) or you are just fucking stupid.

There is no hate nor discrimination, but you can't expect to just go live in a European country without adapting your life to that country, that goes 100x for a country outside the EU.

No restrictions exist at all, that is just pure bullshit and i'm surprised that a man who is so familiar with bullshit doesn't check his fucking facts before he partakes in the propaganda, there are Mosques and there are NO restrictions upon them, they have the same tax exempt status as churches in countries where ANY religious organisation gets tax exempt status.

Stop being a complete moron and educate yourself, that is the only advice i can give your dumb arse.

I know this is a heated topic, but try to reign in the personal attacks a little bit better.

Rainsford
AnandTech Politics and News Moderator

 

[magomago]

talk about jumping on the offensive.

the only thing i said i agreed about what that "Its hard to integrate anywhere if people have a distrust of you...if anything it encourages isolationism and segregation"

Stop looking for something to get pissed at.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

Indeed i am British and the head of state has less to do with politics in England than any common man, could they simply renounce their faith, sure they could.

During the European year against racism and xenophobia it was found that 1/3 found themselves completely inclusive and that 2/3 had problems with illegal immigrants who commit crimes and therefore it was determined that 2/3 Europeans were racists.

In GB, it's not about headscarves or turbans, it's about religious symbols, the movements to prevent construction of ONE Mosque has more to do with the financing of the Mosque and that those responsible for the finances are awaiting trial, but of course, that piece of information just doesn't fit right into your "Europe is so racist" diatribe.

You know what, i'll just ignore you from here on since you're a dishonest twat who is either easily led by extreme left wing sites (yeah, i know where you got the information Mr Pink) but never bother to check out the information.

There is very little racism in the EU when you compare it to the USA, if you were to make the same study there then you'd have 2/3 or more being described as racists too and you probably know that but choose to ignore it.

Good Bye son.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

All i was asking for was one example, you have not provided even one.

You want to talk about restrictive citizen laws, a small city in Sweden has taken in more refugees than the US and Canada combined, how about Mexicans, can they legally immigrate at all? Nope, im fucking possible, not even if they are persecuted in Mexico, they are just handed over at the border and eyes are then shut.

How about immigrants being denied every right? You don't see that i the EU, you see that in the US, like "forgetting" about them for four days.

When it comes to immigration, guess WHY 99.999% of all refugees come to Europe and not the US? Because in the US they wouldn't stand a chance of getting a citizenship. No job, no citizenship, no education, no English, no job. In the EU there are entire schools dedicated to nothing more than teaching refugees and immigrants the language of the land, in the US, they just have to stay hidden or be sent home.

The US doesn't follow the Geneva conventions regarding refugees, the EU doesn't just follow it, it actually lets people who don't qualify get asylum for humanitarian reasons.

But sure, the EU is racist, get your fucking goggles on straight and zap your stupid head into reality of the world, you won't find the truth on the white power websites you frequent and you won't get the full story without actually reading the study itself instead of strange hand picked interpreted passages that are not really relevant at all.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

I think your confusing discrimination and oppression with forcing conformity and assimilation.

For example if you are Arab you can not expect to live like an Arab in Europe nor can you demand too you have to live like a European. Being forced to, is not discrimination or oppression it is the price you pay for a "better life". If you don?t want to pay the price I guarantee you no one will stop you from leaving.

The problem is too many people immigrating in to Europe, US, Canada, and Australia see it as a right not a privilege.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

I think your confusing discrimination and oppression with forcing conformity and assimilation.

For example if you are Arab you can not expect to live like an Arab in Europe nor can you demand too you have to live like a European. Being forced to, is not discrimination or oppression it is the price you pay for a "better life". If you don?t want to pay the price I guarantee you no one will stop you from leaving.

The problem is too many people immigrating in to Europe, US, Canada, and Australia see it as a right not a privilege.

Actually that isn't true, if you are Arab you can live like an Arab in Europe and they certainly do.

We go through great lengths to show respect for their culture and order schools and employers to do the same and it IS done.

In fact, apart from Canada (maybe) i think the EU is the most generous league of nations in the entire world, or i don't think, i know, when it comes to immigrants rights to their own culture and religion.

However, we're not going to give them special rights.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

Indeed i am British and the head of state has less to do with politics in England than any common man, could they simply renounce their faith, sure they could.

The common man does not have regular meetings with the prime minister and government officials. A Muslims, Catholic, etc. cannot be the head of state of the UK. The common man isn't allowed to live in government palaces, pay what taxes they feel like, etc.

During the European year against racism and xenophobia it was found that 1/3 found themselves completely inclusive and that 2/3 had problems with illegal immigrants who commit crimes and therefore it was determined that 2/3 Europeans were racists.

No. They were asked if they were racist, and on a scale of 1-10, how racist. 66% rated themselves as racist, with half of that percentage declaring themselves very racist and the other half slightly racist.

Opinion Poll: Racism and Xenophobia in Europe

In GB, it's not about headscarves or turbans, it's about religious symbols, the movements to prevent construction of ONE Mosque has more to do with the financing of the Mosque and that those responsible for the finances are awaiting trial, but of course, that piece of information just doesn't fit right into your "Europe is so racist" diatribe.

That's nice, but countries like Switzerland have mosques banned in certain regions Minaret controversy in Switzerland. Germany has headscarf bans in several states. France's position is quite well known as well. You couldn't even be a German citizen until recently unless you had German blood. There were people born there for generations without citizenship. This from the land of the Nazis and superior race beliefs!

I'm not claiming that everyone in Europe is racist. They're not. That's why maybe you don't have headscarves or turban bans in the UK. However, racism is a huge issue in Europe. But a huge amount of the population is racist, and the governments cater to their votes with bigoted policies. It's like the early 20th century there in terms of race/ethnic/minority relations.

Europe is probably more progressive on gay rights than other places. But for issues regarding race, minorities, etc. it's closer to Saudi Arabia.

You know what, i'll just ignore you from here on since you're a dishonest twat who is either easily led by extreme left wing sites (yeah, i know where you got the information Mr Pink) but never bother to check out the information.

The things that I'm talking about are common knowledge and reported in mainstream media all the time. I don't visit extreme left-wing sites.

There is very little racism in the EU when you compare it to the USA, if you were to make the same study there then you'd have 2/3 or more being described as racists too and you probably know that but choose to ignore it.

Wow, that was really insightful. The US is irrelevant since we're talking about Europe. You can pretend and make up studies in your head, but they have no use here.

Good Bye son.

Europe is horribly bigoted and will continue to trend that way as the politicians need to pick up the growing far-right vote as it enters more and more into the mainstream. People like you are ignoring what is going on. You are part of the problem.

The Nazis came along and wiped out entire groups of people. A genocide happened in Europe just in the last decade. European governments are involved with genocidal acts in Africa as well as promoting bigoted policies at home. It's going to be too late when you realize what is happening to those around you.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

All i was asking for was one example, you have not provided even one.

I provided you with several examples.

You want to talk about restrictive citizen laws, a small city in Sweden has taken in more refugees than the US and Canada combined

Whatever happens in the US or Canada does not excuse European actions.

Link please. That is highly unlikely given that the US even provides complete relocation for entire persecuted ethnic groups with no limitation to the numbers that wish to enter.

, how about Mexicans, can they legally immigrate at all? Nope, im fucking possible, not even if they are persecuted in Mexico, they are just handed over at the border and eyes are then shut.

Of course they can legally immigrate. I wonder where you get your ideas from.

How about immigrants being denied every right? You don't see that i the EU, you see that in the US, like "forgetting" about them for four days.

Immigrants are not denied every right. You should stop going to such crazy lengths to make up your child-like argument with absolute no links or proof.

When it comes to immigration, guess WHY 99.999% of all refugees come to Europe and not the US?

This reflects the typical European attitude. They think that they are being invaded by refugees (which they are legally required to take care of) and exaggerate the numbers to a crazy extreme.

Many refugees come to Europe because Europe is closeby. Many of their countries were also raped and pillaged by the European countries during colonialism.

Because in the US they wouldn't stand a chance of getting a citizenship. No job, no citizenship, no education, no English, no job.

Nope.

In the EU there are entire schools dedicated to nothing more than teaching refugees and immigrants the language of the land, in the US, they just have to stay hidden or be sent home.

Nope.

The US doesn't follow the Geneva conventions regarding refugees, the EU doesn't just follow it, it actually lets people who don't qualify get asylum for humanitarian reasons.

WTF are you talking about?

Deporting refugees to their deaths, executing them in airplanes, etc. does not constitute valid humanitarian treatment.

But sure, the EU is racist, get your fucking goggles on straight and zap your stupid head into reality of the world, you won't find the truth on the white power websites you frequent and you won't get the full story without actually reading the study itself instead of strange hand picked interpreted passages that are not really relevant at all.

Why would I be going to white power websites? I don't think that they like the color of my skin there.

I suggest that you read some articles on the issues here. It seems that you're angry that I'm claiming that Europe is racist. You've entered some sort of tantrum where you're just making stuff up. That's not needed if you want to discuss the issue for real.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: tagej

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many European nations have set a precedence on remarkable limitations on freedom of speech, especially in regards to their royalty and holocausts. Make fun of the prince? You'll be fined or sent to jail.

However, you are forgetting that many European governments despise minorities, including religious minorities. Muslims in Europe are oppressed as if they were Jews in Saudi Arabia. The Europeans let a genocide happen (and some countries actively participated in it) in their own continent just in the last decade. They are itching to complete the deal.

You're so full of crap it's probably overflowing from your ears. While there certainly is plenty of discrimination, the reality is that most western nations go waaaay too far bending over backwards to accommodate the wacky religious nuts that refuse to integrate into modern society.

There is plenty of discrimination? Name ONE example.

Aren't you British? One that immediately comes to mind is that your head of state cannot be a member of a religion other than the Church of England.

There is a lot of discrimination and oppressing of minorities throughout Europe. Countries have restrictive citizenship laws, religious attire such as the headscarf and Sikh turbans are targeted for banishment, movements to prevent constructions of mosques (and especially mosques with minarets), far-right parties are gaining strength, etc.

During the European Year against Racism and Xenophobia, it was found that 66% of the EU described themselves as racist. Do you really think that number has dropped to 0% since then? With everything that has happened since then, I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased.

Indeed i am British and the head of state has less to do with politics in England than any common man, could they simply renounce their faith, sure they could.

The common man does not have regular meetings with the prime minister and government officials. A Muslims, Catholic, etc. cannot be the head of state of the UK. The common man isn't allowed to live in government palaces, pay what taxes they feel like, etc.

During the European year against racism and xenophobia it was found that 1/3 found themselves completely inclusive and that 2/3 had problems with illegal immigrants who commit crimes and therefore it was determined that 2/3 Europeans were racists.

No. They were asked if they were racist, and on a scale of 1-10, how racist. 66% rated themselves as racist, with half of that percentage declaring themselves very racist and the other half slightly racist.

Opinion Poll: Racism and Xenophobia in Europe

In GB, it's not about headscarves or turbans, it's about religious symbols, the movements to prevent construction of ONE Mosque has more to do with the financing of the Mosque and that those responsible for the finances are awaiting trial, but of course, that piece of information just doesn't fit right into your "Europe is so racist" diatribe.

That's nice, but countries like Switzerland have mosques banned in certain regions Minaret controversy in Switzerland. Germany has headscarf bans in several states. France's position is quite well known as well. You couldn't even be a German citizen until recently unless you had German blood. There were people born there for generations without citizenship. This from the land of the Nazis and superior race beliefs!

I'm not claiming that everyone in Europe is racist. They're not. That's why maybe you don't have headscarves or turban bans in the UK. However, racism is a huge issue in Europe. But a huge amount of the population is racist, and the governments cater to their votes with bigoted policies. It's like the early 20th century there in terms of race/ethnic/minority relations.

Europe is probably more progressive on gay rights than other places. But for issues regarding race, minorities, etc. it's closer to Saudi Arabia.

You know what, i'll just ignore you from here on since you're a dishonest twat who is either easily led by extreme left wing sites (yeah, i know where you got the information Mr Pink) but never bother to check out the information.

The things that I'm talking about are common knowledge and reported in mainstream media all the time. I don't visit extreme left-wing sites.

There is very little racism in the EU when you compare it to the USA, if you were to make the same study there then you'd have 2/3 or more being described as racists too and you probably know that but choose to ignore it.

Wow, that was really insightful. The US is irrelevant since we're talking about Europe. You can pretend and make up studies in your head, but they have no use here.

Good Bye son.

Europe is horribly bigoted and will continue to trend that way as the politicians need to pick up the growing far-right vote as it enters more and more into the mainstream. People like you are ignoring what is going on. You are part of the problem.

The Nazis came along and wiped out entire groups of people. A genocide happened in Europe just in the last decade. European governments are involved with genocidal acts in Africa as well as promoting bigoted policies at home. It's going to be too late when you realize what is happening to those around you.

You seem to be forgetting that the majority of racists in the world today are NOT white people any more, that table has turned and not by a small margin either.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Socio

I think your confusing discrimination and oppression with forcing conformity and assimilation.

For example if you are Arab you can not expect to live like an Arab in Europe nor can you demand too you have to live like a European. Being forced to, is not discrimination or oppression it is the price you pay for a "better life". If you don?t want to pay the price I guarantee you no one will stop you from leaving.

The problem is too many people immigrating in to Europe, US, Canada, and Australia see it as a right not a privilege.

I think that you're confusing integration with discrimination and oppression.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


In fact, apart from Canada (maybe) i think the EU is the most generous league of nations in the entire world, or i don't think, i know, when it comes to immigrants rights to their own culture and religion.

Thanks for the laugh! I guess all the racist far-right political parties, discriminatory laws, etc. are just jokes. Germany, Italy, and the UK wanting to erect illegal concentration camps in the Libyan desert was a big joke!

However, we're not going to give them special rights.

They're not asking for special rights. They want normal rights.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Socio

You seem to be forgetting that the majority of racists in the world today are NOT white people any more, that table has turned and not by a small margin either.

Actually, I would not necessarily reject that. However, I don't see how it seems that I'm forgetting it. It's irrelevant in this discussion. What's next? I'm forgetting that George Bush has a ranch in Texas?