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Muslim Superpower, in our lifetimes?
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The Middle East and Africa will eventually come together to create a economic region like N/S America, Europe, and Asia. How soon this happens is anyones guess, but nonetheless, you can't overlook the fact that this part of the world has all the raw materials for growth.
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<< I'm surprised no one's brought up Indonesia or Turkey. They've got the 2 biggest GDP's right now at 654 billion and 444 billion respectively >>
Turkey? I highly doubt that. >>
Didn't know that indonesia was considered ME >>
I didn't see ME in any part of gunf1ghter's topic anywhere...Nope, looks like it's not there:
--Muslim Superpower, in our lifetimes--
I'm wondering if we will see such a thing in our lifetimes? Some Islamic-militant movements (which have growing support among the impoverished, un-educated muslim youth) seem to have the flavor of fascism or communism that swept Europe in the first part of the 20th century.
If such a state came about through violent upheaval how would it fit in to the Global power structure? Would it be a religious run state?
I think that this is an interesting thought experiment.
I'm surprised no one's brought up Indonesia or Turkey. They've got the 2 biggest GDP's right now at 654 billion and 444 billion respectively
turkey came out of the dark ages because of a hard line anti religious ruler that smacked down the fundamentalism in his country. Thats what the middle east needs.
turkey came out of the dark ages because of a hard line anti religious ruler that smacked down the fundamentalism in his country. Thats what the middle east needs.
<< I'm surprised no one's brought up Indonesia or Turkey. They've got the 2 biggest GDP's right now at 654 billion and 444 billion respectively
turkey came out of the dark ages because of a hard line anti religious ruler that smacked down the fundamentalism in his country. Thats what the middle east needs. >>
Turkey's still years ahead of everyone else in the Middle East though...you know your region's got it bad when Saddam Hussein and (the now-dead) Qaddafi are widely viewed as the two biggest supporters in the region of women's rights 😀
gunf1ghter
Golden Member
<< I didn't see ME in any part of gunf1ghter's topic anywhere...Nope, looks like it's not there: >>
That is correct, maybe the Muslim Superpower will originate in Canada! 🙂
I'm wondering if the US will ever lose its status as a superpower? If you look through history, great nations have risen and fallen. It's cyclical. Why aren't the Roman or British Empires as powerful as they used to be? In 200 or 500 years from now, will the US be merely a chapter in the history books?
gunf1ghter
Golden Member
It depends... the Roman empire lasted for 1000 years... but inevitably, yes... we won't be on top forever.
sandorski
No Lifer
Well, IMO, a Super Power doesn't necessarily need weapons of mass destruction. What it needs is the military, political, population, and economic means in which to project it's power on a global scale. The Middle East as a whole probably has the economic and population means to become a Super Power, but some kind of unifying force would need to come about first.
Pakistan could become a Super Power, but that power would probably be negated by India, which would also need to acheive a similar level of power.
Turkey is part of NATO, so it's unlikely to become a Super Power, it also lacks population.
Indoesia would likely be the prime candidate for acheiving Super Power status. It has the population 220+ million, but whether it has the economic means or can attain the eceonomic means is questionable.
I think it's possible that a Muslim Super Power could arise, but I don't think it's probable. There are too many fundamental changes that need to occur, both within the Muslim world and outside it. A Super Power not only requires military, political, population, and economic means, but it also needs a reason to justify it's existance and an adversary. Again, IMO, there have only been 4 Super Powers in recent history Great Britain, Spain, USA, and the USSR.
Great Britain and Spain were the original adversaries. They competed for land and resources. There was certainly a religious basis to their competition, Great Britain being Protestant and Spain Roman Catholic. Although other European nations(Netherlands, France, Portugal, Germany, a few others) were involved in the Colonial race and Britain was in an almost constant state of war with France, Britain and Spain clearly standout as the most successfull. There certainly wasn't as much tension between the 2 though, in fact they were quite civil to one another, besides the pirates and what not.
The USA and USSR was a whole new ballgame though. Unlike Britain and Spain, the USA and USSR were not competing for an almost unlimited amount of land and resources, but they were fighting over the political/economic structure of the world. We know the details so I'll end it here.
This is the problem with a potential Muslim Super Power: What will motivate the Muslim world to form a Super Power?
Pakistan could become a Super Power, but that power would probably be negated by India, which would also need to acheive a similar level of power.
Turkey is part of NATO, so it's unlikely to become a Super Power, it also lacks population.
Indoesia would likely be the prime candidate for acheiving Super Power status. It has the population 220+ million, but whether it has the economic means or can attain the eceonomic means is questionable.
I think it's possible that a Muslim Super Power could arise, but I don't think it's probable. There are too many fundamental changes that need to occur, both within the Muslim world and outside it. A Super Power not only requires military, political, population, and economic means, but it also needs a reason to justify it's existance and an adversary. Again, IMO, there have only been 4 Super Powers in recent history Great Britain, Spain, USA, and the USSR.
Great Britain and Spain were the original adversaries. They competed for land and resources. There was certainly a religious basis to their competition, Great Britain being Protestant and Spain Roman Catholic. Although other European nations(Netherlands, France, Portugal, Germany, a few others) were involved in the Colonial race and Britain was in an almost constant state of war with France, Britain and Spain clearly standout as the most successfull. There certainly wasn't as much tension between the 2 though, in fact they were quite civil to one another, besides the pirates and what not.
The USA and USSR was a whole new ballgame though. Unlike Britain and Spain, the USA and USSR were not competing for an almost unlimited amount of land and resources, but they were fighting over the political/economic structure of the world. We know the details so I'll end it here.
This is the problem with a potential Muslim Super Power: What will motivate the Muslim world to form a Super Power?
Turkey to command Afghan force
I remember they were one of the first to send troops in late last year, even though 80% of their population was against it. Our second best ally in the Middle East, second to Israel.
I remember they were one of the first to send troops in late last year, even though 80% of their population was against it. Our second best ally in the Middle East, second to Israel.
heartsurgeon
Diamond Member
Pharaoic Egypt - 5000-3000 years
Roman Empire 1000 years
Ottoman Empire - 650 years
Chinese Dynastic rule - 4000 years
communist rule 70 years
american constitution 225 years
anything is possible. we (the U.S., currently the only world superpower, economically and militarily) haven't been around long enough to say we've withstood the test of time.
certainly it seems possible that china could eclipse our no. 1 superpower status.
Muslim superpower in our lifetime, probably not, but you never can say never.
Roman Empire 1000 years
Ottoman Empire - 650 years
Chinese Dynastic rule - 4000 years
communist rule 70 years
american constitution 225 years
anything is possible. we (the U.S., currently the only world superpower, economically and militarily) haven't been around long enough to say we've withstood the test of time.
certainly it seems possible that china could eclipse our no. 1 superpower status.
Muslim superpower in our lifetime, probably not, but you never can say never.
I doubt there'll be a muslim "superpower" in the ME anytime soon... there'd be too much petty squabbling amongst the groups to ever make that viable. Indonesia is a VERY slight possibility but the country too is fractured.... it really needs to get its act cleaned up.
While I say there wont really be a "superpower" anytime soon in the sense of a global presence with carrier fleets, a huge air force and army to back that up, there is a very real possiblity that one guy will suddenly rise up, rally his people and be a MAJOR thorn in our side... america would still be # 1 but it would be a VERY dirty war if worst came to worst... nukes are very possible
While I say there wont really be a "superpower" anytime soon in the sense of a global presence with carrier fleets, a huge air force and army to back that up, there is a very real possiblity that one guy will suddenly rise up, rally his people and be a MAJOR thorn in our side... america would still be # 1 but it would be a VERY dirty war if worst came to worst... nukes are very possible
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