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Muslim Scholars, Countries Condemn London Bombings

GreatBarracuda

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Muslim Scholars, Countries Condemn London Bombings

Additional Reporting By Masoud Sabri, Sobhy Mujahid

CAIRO, July 7, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) ? The deadly attacks that rocked London earlier Thursday, July 7, drew condemnation from scholars, officials and even individuals from across the Muslim world.

"We were dumbfounded by the grave news of the London bombings which killed tens and wounded hundreds of innocent people who committed no crime," prominent scholar Yusuf Al-Qaradawi told IslamOnline.net.

At least 37 people were killed and hundreds others wounded when four blasts ripped through London during rush hour on Thursday.

Qaradawi stressed that these black actions run counter to the teachings of Islam which forbids the killing of civilians.

"Even at the time of war when state armies battle face to face, it is not permissible to kill women, children, elders, priests, farmers and merchants; people we nowadays call civilians."

The renowned scholar offered his heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and London Mayor Ken Livingstone, whom Qaradawi praised as "a man of justice who always defends Arab and Muslim causes.

Criminals

Al-Azhar Grand Imam Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi also denounced the bombings.

"Those responsible for London attacks are criminals who do not represent Islam or even truly understand (its message)," he told IOL.

Tantawi, who heads the highest seat of learning in the Sunni world, denounced the killing of civilians, including women and children, "without differentiating between combatants and non-combatants."

On the possibility that the attacks were an attempt to press British Prime Minister Tony Blair to withdraw his troops from occupied Iraq, Tantawi said: "This is illogical and cannot be the motive for killing innocent civilians."

Leading Lebanese Shiite scholar Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah voiced outrage, reported Reuters.

"These crimes are not accepted by any religion. It is a barbarism wholly rejected by Islam," he said.

Barbarism

The attacks drew rebuke from senior officials in several Muslim countries as well as two leading resistance groups.

In a message to Blair, Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad condemned "these detested acts".

President Emile Lahoud said his country "shares with the British their pain".

Saudi Social Affairs Minister Abdulmohsen Al-Akkas said his country, battling a two-year wave of attacks by Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network, knew what London was suffering.

"We understand. Since May 2003 we have been experiencing the horrors of terrorist acts," said Akkas, who was visiting London.

"The use of violence to achieve aims is condemned," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said.

Egypt's Foreign Trade and Industry Minister Rachid Mohamed Rachid said: "It is important to be brave in facing up to the scourge of terrorism."

Morocco said the "heinous attacks" underlined the need for united international action against those who perpetrated them.

The Palestinian and Lebanese resistance groups Hamas and Hezbollah joined the condemnation chorus.

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected," Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of Hamas's political bureau, told Reuters in Damascus.

A Hezbollah statement on the blasts denounced attacks on civilians, citing humanitarian, moral and religious grounds.

Popular Condemnation

Muslims interviewed by Reuters in several countries also condemned the London explosions.

"I really hope this is not the doing of an Arab or a Muslim because our values are 100 percent against this devilish crime," said Syrian businessman Majed Ali.

"If my own brother had done this, I would disown him," he said.

"Those responsible for this have no feelings or humanity," said Hassan Bannona, a 47-year-old Saudi aviation worker.

"We feel for the victims as we have also been attacked in this way."

Yemeni doorman Aref al-Haymi, 28, said the bombings showed criminals were everywhere.

"Everyone must cooperate to end this terrorism instead of accusing only Muslims and Arabs."

Blair said earlier that the perpetrators of the London attacks acted "in the name of Islam".

He stressed, however, that "the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims here and abroad are decent and law abiding people who abhor terrorism every bit as much as we do."

The Muslim minority in Britain vehemently denounced the blasts and offered all possible assistance in helping the emergency services.

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Here's the voice of Canadian Muslims:

ISNA Condemns the Terrorist Attacks in London

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Islam, Muslims & Violence

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Even though it has not been confirmed that this attack was carried out by a "Muslim" militant group, Muslim scholars and popular representatives have already spoken out against it. If indeed it is confirmed somehow that this is the work of a Islamic militant group, then it would be an additional group of "Muslims" the Muslim world would be happy to live without.

I am now more concerned about the Muslim minority in Britain in the aftermath of this tragedy.

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Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
I am now more concerned about the Muslim minority in Britain in the aftermath of this tragedy.

I dunno... I give the Brits a bit more credit than that. Most of them are already agaisnt the Iraq war. I have a hunch they don't think in terms of "black and white" as much as Americans do. But I could be wrong about British attitudes on this...
 
"Muslim Scholars, Countries Condemn London Bombings"

Of course they do.

Now if they could show some reasonable, demonstratable action in relation to their condemnation, that would be swell.

Somehow I doubt that will happen... which is a big reason the West will have to suffer through a violent 30 year global effort to clean house for them. When the Guardian and BBC use words like "resistance" and explain away almost every deed, I don't have much hope that actual Muslim leaders will be much better.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
"Muslim Scholars, Countries Condemn London Bombings"

Of course they do.

Now if they could show some reasonable, demonstratable action in relation to their condemnation, that would be swell.

Somehow I doubt that will happen... which is a big reason the West will have to suffer through a violent 30 year global effort to clean house for them. When the Guardian and BBC use words like "resistance" and explain away almost every deed, I don't have much hope that actual Muslim leaders will be much better.
I agree. After 9/11 was when this narrow-minded resident in the White House should have been pressuring the leaders of the Middle East to do something about fostering distorted views of Islam in their own countries.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: cwjerome
"Muslim Scholars, Countries Condemn London Bombings"

Of course they do.

Now if they could show some reasonable, demonstratable action in relation to their condemnation, that would be swell.

Somehow I doubt that will happen... which is a big reason the West will have to suffer through a violent 30 year global effort to clean house for them. When the Guardian and BBC use words like "resistance" and explain away almost every deed, I don't have much hope that actual Muslim leaders will be much better.
I agree. After 9/11 was when this narrow-minded resident in the White House should have been pressuring the leaders of the Middle East to do something about fostering distorted views of Islam in their own countries.


Yeah, after 9/11 we should have wagged our finger at them really hard, and moved on :roll:

In Conjur-land (ew... that's scary), everyone is reasonable and we can talk our problems away. Fortunately that's why you are were you are and others that are in power see things a bit more realistically.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...that's what I'm talking about...wagging fingers. Get a fvcking clue.


Ha! Your weak-kneed strategy has failed, and sputtering thinly veiled contempt for American assertiveness is a third rate side show. Boo Hoo

Appeasement, false diplomacy, quid-pro-quo and evasion brought us 9/11. This is not an episode of Law and Order... this is war, and it's time we act like it.

WTFU. Your immature silliness doesn't work and can only lead to an emboldening and growth of the problem. The only solution is to take them out. Destroy them. When they put one of ours in the hospital, we put 100 of them in the morgue. That's reality and that's how wars are won. You people have already tied our hands enough, making the job at hand that much more difficult, now you want total defeat for the US. That is the only way moral way to deal with those at war, and it's the most effective way to promote social change in the region.

You're the one that wants us to leave Iraq today, to let them founder so you have more reason to express your hate for Bush and Republicans. You live in a pink skied fantasyland where if the US immasculates and weakens itself before the world then they will just drop their evil and all will be well. Go back to pre-school.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...that's what I'm talking about...wagging fingers. Get a fvcking clue.


Ha! Your weak-kneed strategy has failed, and sputtering thinly veiled contempt for American assertiveness is a third rate side show. Boo Hoo

Appeasement, false diplomacy, quid-pro-quo and evasion brought us 9/11. This is not an episode of Law and Order... this is war, and it's time we act like it.

WTFU. Your immature silliness doesn't work and can only lead to an emboldening and growth of the problem. The only solution is to take them out. Destroy them. When they put one of ours in the hospital, we put 100 of them in the morgue. That's reality and that's how wars are won. You people have already tied our hands enough, making the job at hand that much more difficult, now you want total defeat for the US. That is the only way moral way to deal with those at war, and it's the most effective way to promote social change in the region.

You're the one that wants us to leave Iraq today, to let them founder so you have more reason to express your hate for Bush and Republicans. You live in a pink skied fantasyland where if the US immasculates and weakens itself before the world then they will just drop their evil and all will be well. Go back to pre-school.

Amen
 
if they're really serious about condemning this behavior, then they should not object to the british and u.s. government sending agents to monitor their worship services and make sure they're not inciting violence (of course we'll be bugging the homes of some of the more notorious suspects, a la patriot act). after all, we shouldn't be shocked this happened in london. on may 21st at a london mosque, the imam and the muslim worshippers assembeled there were recorded chanting, "Death to Blair, Death to Bush, Our only language is blood, Nuke the White House, they will pay with their blood." the mosque should ahve been shut down that very same day.

and the muslim scholars should have been the ones to do it themselves.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Appeasement, false diplomacy, quid-pro-quo and evasion brought us 9/11.

Wrong. We have been aggressing the islamic world for decades and helped israel steal land from them. At the same time Bush ignored his terror advisor. Those two factors led to 9/11.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Appeasement, false diplomacy, quid-pro-quo and evasion brought us 9/11.

Wrong. We have been aggressing the islamic world for decades and helped israel steal land from them. At the same time Bush ignored his terror advisor. Those two factors led to 9/11.

Steal land huh? I'd love to hear that explaination.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...that's what I'm talking about...wagging fingers. Get a fvcking clue.

WTFU. Your immature silliness doesn't work and can only lead to an emboldening and growth of the problem. The only solution is to take them out.

How?

Destroy them. When they put one of ours in the hospital, we put 100 of them in the morgue. That's reality and that's how wars are won.

Really? Seems to be working great for us so far. Funny how the Iraq war still has nothing to do with the war on terrorism but whatever fuels your e-Patriotism :roll:

You people have already tied our hands enough, making the job at hand that much more difficult, now you want total defeat for the US. That is the only way moral way to deal with those at war, and it's the most effective way to promote social change in the region.

LMAO. Let us know when you get the knots untied so you can help find OBL. Hint, he is NOT in Iraq. Oh, and screw you AND you promotion of social change at the end of a gun Kthx.
 
Wrong. We have been aggressing the islamic world for decades and helped israel steal land from them. At the same time Bush ignored his terror advisor. Those two factors led to 9/11.


gee whiz! haven't you noticed that the major conflicts across the globe are related to islam-o-fascism? why do we always want to blame the U.S.? Why do we have to always be the perpetual villan? and why does the liberal media always seek to blame Israel? anti-semitism is at a fever-pitch again! what do we have to do with muslims in the philipines and indonesia killing christians? what do we have to do with muslims in india killing hindus? what do we ahve to do with black muslims in the sudan killing black christians? it is their world-view (not all muslims, but islamic fundamentalists. most christian fundamentalists won't actually try and kill you, just share the gospel with you!). the us is not responsible for this behavior, it is their own ideology, they would have attacked us anyway, b/c they are taught to hate christians and jews. this is a worldview that has been taught for the past 1,000 years. many of them want to return to the glory days of the islamic empire, back to the days of saladin. they are unreasonable people who don't understand diplomacy, only a show of force.
 
Originally posted by: johnnobts
gee whiz! haven't you noticed that the major conflicts across the globe are related to islam-o-fascism?
They aren't all related. China-Taiwan. Korea. Everything in South America.

why do we always want to blame the U.S.?
Not ALWAYS. However, when the US acts poorly I blame them. Stop thinknig in black and white. Just because you think the US is always good, doesn't mean I think they are always bad.

Why do we have to always be the perpetual villan?
Good question.

and why does the liberal media always seek to blame Israel? anti-semitism is at a fever-pitch again!
Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. :cookie:

what do we have to do with muslims in the philipines and indonesia killing christians?
Not much.

what do we have to do with muslims in india killing hindus?
We support the muslims (pakistan). Does that answer your question?

what do we ahve to do with black muslims in the sudan killing black christians?
Not much, I like how you throw the racial aspect in though.

it is their world-view (not all muslims, but islamic fundamentalists. most christian fundamentalists won't actually try and kill you, just share the gospel with you!).
It depends on what time period you look at.

the us is not responsible for this behavior, it is their own ideology, they would have attacked us anyway, b/c they are taught to hate christians and jews. this is a worldview that has been taught for the past 1,000 years. many of them want to return to the glory days of the islamic empire, back to the days of saladin. they are unreasonable people who don't understand diplomacy, only a show of force.
They are not all unreasonable and even the unreasonable ones have basica rational goals like getting foreigners out of their lands and harming the allies of their enemies. This is not a muslim thing. This is a human thing. Nobody likes foreigners in their territory pushing them around and nobody likes people who support your enemy.
 
Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

I am now more concerned about the Muslim minority in Britain in the aftermath of this tragedy.

You should be concerned about more than just the Muslim minority.

After the murder of 1 man in the Netherlands, complete mayhem may break out. But, I think that the British are more tolerant than their European brethren (even though that's not saying much).
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
the us is not responsible for this behavior, it is their own ideology, they would have attacked us anyway, b/c they are taught to hate christians and jews. this is a worldview that has been taught for the past 1,000 years. many of them want to return to the glory days of the islamic empire, back to the days of saladin. they are unreasonable people who don't understand diplomacy, only a show of force.
They are not all unreasonable and even the unreasonable ones have basica rational goals like getting foreigners out of their lands and harming the allies of their enemies. This is not a muslim thing. This is a human thing. Nobody likes foreigners in their territory pushing them around and nobody likes people who support your enemy.

cwjerome, there's your answer for the use of the term "resistance" as it applies to Iraq.
 
Warmongers are disgusting anti-social psychopaths who do not have a conscinece about the response to their War Sanctioned MURDERS

 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Appeasement, false diplomacy, quid-pro-quo and evasion brought us 9/11.
Wrong. We have been aggressing the islamic world for decades and helped israel steal land from them. At the same time Bush ignored his terror advisor. Those two factors led to 9/11.
Steal land huh? I'd love to hear that explaination.
How do you explain the formation of Israel? The land belonged to someone else at the time.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Warmongers are disgusting anti-social psychopaths who do not have a conscinece about the response to their War Sanctioned MURDERS

:cookie:

It's really to bad... if there was true justice in this world, people like you would suffer the consequences of your moral and intellectual cowardice.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
It's really to bad... if there was true justice in this world, people like you would suffer the consequences of your moral and intellectual cowardice.

Actions speak louder than words. What exactly separates you from Dahunan when it comes to taking action against muslim extremists?

 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: dahunan
Warmongers are disgusting anti-social psychopaths who do not have a conscinece about the response to their War Sanctioned MURDERS

:cookie:

It's really to bad... if there was true justice in this world, people like you would suffer the consequences of your moral and intellectual cowardice.

Murder any innocent civilians lately?
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39

How?

By using the full, unrestrained capability of our military and resources, with regard to your petty crying about being a bully.

Really? Seems to be working great for us so far. Funny how the Iraq war still has nothing to do with the war on terrorism but whatever fuels your e-Patriotism :roll:

It's not working for us, because we're weak and scared to be strong... mostly because of hand-wringers like you.


LMAO. Let us know when you get the knots untied so you can help find OBL. Hint, he is NOT in Iraq. Oh, and screw you AND you promotion of social change at the end of a gun Kthx.

Only a leftwing dunce would believe this is only about OBL. Instead of starting blankly at a drop of paint, look at the whole picture. It takes an IQ of more than 60, you might qualify.



 
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