Muslim Imam...Recieved this email today

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Specop 007


So, who threw the first rock? The Muslims, or the Christians?

The Muslims claim to be the seed of Abraham and Ishmael, where Jews and Christians are the seed of Abraham and Isaac.

i believe Ishmael and Isaac were brothers? both sons of Abraham?

so maybe it all started with sibling rivalry, like maybe one day Isaac hogged the XBox too long and Ishmael kicked his butt or something

According to the Bible, you're correct in that they were brothers, sons of Abram (Abraham). If what they claim is true, then this is sibling rivalry according to the Bible.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: illustri
g8wayrebel

no one's deriding you for your idiotic beliefs

everyone's making fun of you for falling for a fake goddamn chain letter, and then POSTING it on a forum as a "must read"

\/ \/ \/ - that is what i meant too

 

[illustri]

g8wayrebel

no one's deriding you for your idiotic beliefs

everyone's making fun of you for falling for a fake goddamn chain letter, and then POSTING it on a forum as a "must read"

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
Why should I be banned for posting this. I put it in the appropriate forum. I didn't say it was news, that I subscribed to the theory(although some of it rings pretty true), or that it was true. I merely posted an email I recieved from a friend in my home state about something that supposedly took place in my home state. I don't know what your dealings are with Muslims , but I've had(or attempted to have)a number of conversations with quite a few self proffessed Muslims here, and done nothing but waste my breath. All of my experiences have led me to a similar opinion of all of the recent converts and an only slightly better one of the old school or "native" members. I can't find any more a pointed or hateful "religion" than this, and I'm not sure that the hatred isn't wider spread than all of our radical groups here(ie. KKK..skinheads...neonazis...black panthers) put together. I believe this is a situation which requires careful thought and monitoring. Muslims don't put the value on human life that most of the rest of the world does. In some circumstances , that makes them potentially the most dangerous people on this planet. Anyone who is willing to die for a cause is dangerous, but when I am the potential target(as all westerners are) I get concerned. I will agree with anyone who says the Koran preaches peace for the most part if taken fundamentally, but that isn't what I'm seeing more often than not lately. The radical ideas are propogating at a tremendous rate from what I see and here. This is one of several world issues that should be foremost on the worlds agenda. If that should get me banned so be it!

All of the muslims I've ever met and talked to have been genuine, nice folks.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
Why should I be banned for posting this. I put it in the appropriate forum. I didn't say it was news, that I subscribed to the theory(although some of it rings pretty true), or that it was true. I merely posted an email I recieved from a friend in my home state about something that supposedly took place in my home state. I don't know what your dealings are with Muslims , but I've had(or attempted to have)a number of conversations with quite a few self proffessed Muslims here, and done nothing but waste my breath. All of my experiences have led me to a similar opinion of all of the recent converts and an only slightly better one of the old school or "native" members. I can't find any more a pointed or hateful "religion" than this, and I'm not sure that the hatred isn't wider spread than all of our radical groups here(ie. KKK..skinheads...neonazis...black panthers) put together. I believe this is a situation which requires careful thought and monitoring. Muslims don't put the value on human life that most of the rest of the world does. In some circumstances , that makes them potentially the most dangerous people on this planet. Anyone who is willing to die for a cause is dangerous, but when I am the potential target(as all westerners are) I get concerned. I will agree with anyone who says the Koran preaches peace for the most part if taken fundamentally, but that isn't what I'm seeing more often than not lately. The radical ideas are propogating at a tremendous rate from what I see and here. This is one of several world issues that should be foremost on the worlds agenda. If that should get me banned so be it!

There are a number of Muslims on this board. They are extreme as they come. You want the FBI hotline number?

 

[g8wayrebel]

Naked frog,
That may be true, but with the tensions in the US as they are it may be possible that religion is used as an excuse. I live in St Louis and haven't had that experience with my encounters. It was well before this Iraq situation that I realized I had concerns about the Muslims I've met here. It is entirely possible that this is not the case in the middle East, or even elsewhere in the country considering the demographics and the racial tension in the St Louis area.

Aimster,
I'm sure you don't know any they don't. You miss the point. It is we who need to be aware of our surroundings and changes in ideals and attitudes. It isn't that difficult to incite people.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
Why should I be banned for posting this. I put it in the appropriate forum. I didn't say it was news, that I subscribed to the theory(although some of it rings pretty true), or that it was true. I merely posted an email I recieved from a friend in my home state about something that supposedly took place in my home state.

Why, God? Why did you have to put so many idiots in Missouri? Not all of us deserve this reputation!

In the future, rebel, please make sure that everything you're forwarded is run through Snopes or Break the Chain before you start telling everyone it's the gods' honest truth.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
Naked frog,
That may be true, but with the tensions in the US as they are it may be possible that relegion is used as an excuse. I live in St Louis and haven't had that experience with my encounters. It was well before this Iraq situation that I realized I had concerns about the Muslims I've met here. It is entirely possible that this is not the case in the middle East, or even elsewhere in the country considering the demographics and the racial tension in the St Louis area.

First off, I used to live in St. Louis and have many friends there that I visit frequently. I know lots of Muslims there, and they're extremely friendly. If you're walking down the wrong part of Grand Blvd and a guy pulls a gun on you, tells you to give him all your money, and then thanks Allah for his blessings after you cough up the dough, that's not really representative of the entire Muslim population in STL. Furthermore, many people that go to prison (especially, if not entirely blacks) reform to Islam, and when the get out, many of them continue to commit crimes. That doesn't make Islam a bad religion.

That being said, I have two questions:
1) How old are you?
2) Are you wearing one of these

 

[g8wayrebel]

That being said, I have two questions:
1) How old are you?
2) Are you wearing one of these[/quote]

I'm 38.As I said in the PM about the hat...nice shot...ROFLMAO.
I take your point well, but it reiterates the very belief I have stated. If you have people converting to Muslim and then continuing to commit crimes, does that not change the perception to be gained. It, in my opinion, also greatly increases the number of "radicals" you are likely to encounter. As I said earlier, my fears are more deeply rooted in the recently converted than in the "native" muslim faction.I am not paranoid, merely observant. I don't like what I see.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: preslove
Muslim Imams are no different than Christian Pastors. Tons are assholes, many are nice level headed people, some stupid. It's all the same creator god. Christianity and Islam are more similar than different, even down to the crazy extremists. Bin ladin is no more indicative of Islam than Timothy Mcveigh is of Christianity.

Excellent post. Absolutely true. There is really nothing I hold more in contempt than ignorant fools who try to lump millions or billions of people together into one mold (and of course always as our enemies).

Move to ban the OP for ignorant fearmongering. Those Muslim extremists who want to kill us are outnumbered only by those Christian fundamentalist extremists who want us to kill them. The only thing is ridiculous, and as far away from God as one can possibly get.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: preslove
Muslim Imams are no different than Christian Pastors. Tons are assholes, many are nice level headed people, some stupid. It's all the same creator god. Christianity and Islam are more similar than different, even down to the crazy extremists. Bin ladin is no more indicative of Islam than Timothy Mcveigh is of Christianity.

Excellent post. Absolutely true. There is really nothing I hold more in contempt than ignorant fools who try to lump millions or billions of people together into one mold (and of course always as our enemies).

Move to ban the OP for ignorant fearmongering. Those Muslim extremists who want to kill us are outnumbered only by those Christian fundamentalist extremists who want us to kill them. The only thing is ridiculous, and as far away from God as one can possibly get.

If you want to ban the OP, you should go check out P&N. Full of bigots over there,

 

[g8wayrebel]

I don't consider myself to bigoted. A radical is a radical and I will be the first to say so. Whether it be a race , religion, or just a hateful organization, if it is wrong it is wrong. People need to be responsible for themselves and their own actions, not hinge those actions on the shoulders of one group or another to justify themselves. Tolerance is an objective opinion just as morality and any other social issue can be considered. I am not intolerant of any one ,or any particular group, with bias. If your actions draw attention to yourself, you will get just that. take the good with the bad. If you choose to propogate misfortune(whether by hate, violence,or even irresponsibility), my decrying it is hardly bigoted. It's too bad more people don't say what they really think!