Musharraf resigns

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
You mean indiscriminate carpet bombing. I hope the US gets a taste of it's own medicine.

Contrary to the bullshit the Taliban are trying to sell in the media, and those who swallow it as Gospel (Lemon Law), how many decades do you really think it has been since the last time the U.S. "carpet bombed" anything or anyone?!

I know it's difficult for you to get beyond the 7th century, let alone the 20th, but do try to keep up... please?

Today, we use laser-guided goodness to fuck your world up. If our damn enemies would stop hiding under the skirts of your women, or in the shadows of your schools, the only fuckers who would ever get killed would be those punks with AK's who truly deserve it.

However, instead of condemning those who fight that way for their cowardly tactics, you point the finger at us for merely defending themselves.

Tell the Taliban and all of their panzy-assed terrorist brethren to stop hiding/fighting amongst the women and children. Until you condemn them for doing so, innocents will continue to die.

Typical Taliban enagement: The Taliban take up positions within a crowded market during the busiest time of day. When the Americans pass by in a convoy, the Taliban set off explosives in the market killing 10-15 innocent bystanders in the initial blast. Then, when the Americans rush in to give first aid to the wounded civilians, the Taliban engage the Americans in the middle of the market with small arms and grenades, which leads to yet another 10-12 innocent deaths, along with 4-7 dead Taliban assholes... no U.S. casualties.

THAT is who you're defending when you claim the U.S. is evil and that we're out to kill of your Islamic brethren. Those are the tactics being employed by YOUR countrymen every g'damn day... THOSE FUCKERS ARE WHO YOU NEED TO BLAME!

wake the fuck up. bah...

 

[Braznor]

Musharaff was a bastard, but even a bastard is preferable to the venomous snakes about to take power in Pakistan soon.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse
I just hope that the new President in Pakistan finally has the balls to eradicate the Taliban properly and clean out the ISI... then again, I'm smart enough to know that he won't. Instead, he'll become just one more turd floating in what is officially The Toilet Bowl of Central Asia...

sad that.

Do you think it's even possible for that to happen? You would need someone with dictatorial powers to confront the Taliban because that region is fucking lawless and unforgiving. If an empire (the British) and a totalitarian state (USSR) couldn't do it, what makes you think America can do it let alone democratic Pakistanis?

I think Al Qaeda has found the perfect place to hide.

At least we may finally begin to understand the power of hiding among women and children while waging war. We appear to be powerless to stop them.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You see the US as aggressors and yet live among vast people who were apathetic or happy about 3000 people at work being killed. Don't you realize how this makes you sound?

What percentage of the US population might be Nazis? If you worked with one of them would you quit your job. Too bad you can't punish a person for what he thinks. Or atleast according to civilized law you can't.

The US has no war with Islam. It has a history of supporting governments that may or may not be for Islam. The US is motivated primarily by economics, not religion. Do you really think the leaders of this country particularly represent Christian, for example, values? I sure as hell don't.

The fact that American economics is dictated by jews who are supporters of Israel is the reason why they're against Islam.

Living in a society as you do with far, far less freedom of expression and media as the US, it's quite rich indeed condemning those of us here for being spoonfed what to think.

I posted in another thread. I've been to roughly 30 different countries. I have seen more of the world than most of you here and therefore have a winder scope of thinking. Unlike most people here that have only received a formal education in western literature and philosophy I am learning my 5th language and have studied literature of 4 different languages of different eras. Just because I live in Pakistan doesn't mean I have a confined mind or people can spoof me. And I'm only 20.

1. God Damn you are so fucking brainwashed.

2. yes you do.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?

Jihad is a struggle. It's a pillar of Islam. A person would not be a muslim if he didn't believe in it.

that my friends is Whabi Islam for you.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?

Jihad is a struggle. It's a pillar of Islam. A person would not be a muslim if he didn't believe in it.

that my friends is Whabi Islam for you.

LOL hilarious!! Someone calling me a wahabi. I'm the furthest person from a wahabi. Im a shia and most wahabis think I should be killed because of that.

And I'm done arguing with people in this thread. I have had enough bashing and I'm not going to gain anything arguing with idiots. May you miss me.

 

[jpeyton]

:laugh: at this entire thread.

Chock full of sabre rattling at a country that has never attacked us, and poses no threat to us.

The US, like all great powers whose reach exceeds their grasp, will eventually crumble if this kind of thinking rules our way of life.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?

Jihad is a struggle. It's a pillar of Islam. A person would not be a muslim if he didn't believe in it.

that my friends is Whabi Islam for you.

LOL hilarious!! Someone calling me a wahabi. I'm the furthest person from a wahabi. Im a shia and most wahabis think I should be killed because of that.

And I'm done arguing with people in this thread. I have had enough bashing and I'm not going to gain anything arguing with idiots. May you miss me.

:| Screw you guys, I'm taking my Koran, prayer rug, and AK-47 and going home to take this out on my sisters! :|

 

[Arkaign]

Well if Pakistan goes hot, India will crush them like a bug, probably with Israeli and US support. Has nothing to do with Islam, has everything to do with being an unstable cauldron of chaos that is unable to control criminal elements that poison the region with violence.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:laugh: at this entire thread.

Chock full of sabre rattling at a country that has never attacked us, and poses no threat to us.

The US, like all great powers whose reach exceeds their grasp, will eventually crumble if this kind of thinking rules our way of life.

Tell that to the growing percentage of extremist Pakistanis who attack, and sometimes kill, U.S. soldiers stationed across the border in Afghanistan... almost every day.

Tell that to the victims of 9/11 who were struck down by a few whacked out extremists who themselves were trained and supported by the extremists who are still living in Pakistan today.

Don't you dare sit there and try to claim that those assholes don't pose a threat to the U.S. Wake up damnit! We're not talking about Iraq here.

Pakistan is harboring terrorists who pose a very direct threat to the United States. Anyone who says or believes otherwise is an idiot.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:laugh: at this entire thread.

Chock full of sabre rattling at a country that has never attacked us, and poses no threat to us.

The US, like all great powers whose reach exceeds their grasp, will eventually crumble if this kind of thinking rules our way of life.

Tell that to the growing percentage of extremist Pakistanis who attack, and sometimes kill, U.S. soldiers stationed across the border in Afghanistan... almost every day.

Tell that to the victims of 9/11 who were struck down by a few whacked out extremists who themselves were trained and supported by the extremists who are still living in Pakistan today.

Don't you dare sit there and try to claim that those assholes don't pose a threat to the U.S. Wake up damnit! We're not talking about Iraq here.

Pakistan is harboring terrorists who pose a very direct threat to the United States. Anyone who says or believes otherwise is an idiot.

Lots of things pose a threat to Americans.

Pakistani extremists don't even register on my radar screen.

Which is weird, considering the vast sums of money we're throwing at that "threat" compared to others.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:laugh: at this entire thread.

Chock full of sabre rattling at a country that has never attacked us, and poses no threat to us.

The US, like all great powers whose reach exceeds their grasp, will eventually crumble if this kind of thinking rules our way of life.

Tell that to the growing percentage of extremist Pakistanis who attack, and sometimes kill, U.S. soldiers stationed across the border in Afghanistan... almost every day.

Tell that to the victims of 9/11 who were struck down by a few whacked out extremists who themselves were trained and supported by the extremists who are still living in Pakistan today.

Don't you dare sit there and try to claim that those assholes don't pose a threat to the U.S. Wake up damnit! We're not talking about Iraq here.

Pakistan is harboring terrorists who pose a very direct threat to the United States. Anyone who says or believes otherwise is an idiot.

I work closely with people in Pakistan that are closely related to the government. my company hosts some critical systems for the country. I have had many discussions about the state of Pakistan with the CEO of the company in Pakistan that I deal with. He is muslim, and he himself is scared shitless of extremists. He also thinks they will be the downfall of his country because nobody will stand up to them.

I also have close friends who are from Pakistan. They too are Muslim. They echo the same feelings as my other contacts in Pakistan.

If some remote area of Texas was harboring extremist Christian radicals that were threating to wipe country's off the map, attempting to gain access to nuclear devices, wanted to kill anybody who didn't accept Christ as their savior, were bullying locals who didn't follow their "laws" (even if they were otherwise law abiding citizens), wouldn't you hope that all levels of government would do something about it? That's the difference between the US and Pakistan. The US would do something about it, Pakistan is not.

This is the analogy I heard from a wealthy CEO that works closely with Pakistan's government and is a Pakistani citizen. He says its because the government is scared of the Taliban, and he wishes someone like the US or India would wipe the whole area out.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?

Jihad is a struggle. It's a pillar of Islam. A person would not be a muslim if he didn't believe in it.

that my friends is Whabi Islam for you.

LOL hilarious!! Someone calling me a wahabi. I'm the furthest person from a wahabi. Im a shia and most wahabis think I should be killed because of that.

And I'm done arguing with people in this thread. I have had enough bashing and I'm not going to gain anything arguing with idiots. May you miss me.

:| Screw you guys, I'm taking my Koran, prayer rug, and AK-47 and going home to take this out on my sisters! :|

TGB is a brainwashed fool but what you just said doesn't make you look much better.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Tyrant empires that have looked invincible have eventually fallen.

May the USA suffer the same fate.

Think outside what the idiot box tells you.

Don't believe everything your media tells you and maybe then you will be able to see the evil that your government is doing in your name.

Some of us would appreciate that when you make such blanket statements you point the finger at those responsible, in this case the Republicans and their supporters.

 

[SergeC]

I posted in another thread. I've been to roughly 30 different countries. I have seen more of the world than most of you here and therefore have a winder scope of thinking. Unlike most people here that have only received a formal education in western literature and philosophy I am learning my 5th language and have studied literature of 4 different languages of different eras. Just because I live in Pakistan doesn't mean I have a confined mind or people can spoof me. And I'm only 20.

Hard to imagine someone being much more full of themselves. Unfortunately that makes it very difficult to take anyhting you say seriously, despite your occasional cogent point.

 

[Lemon law]

I certainly would hope that it never comes to Pakistan trying to use nukes against US carrier groups, but I still have to amazed at the ignorance of the US is invulnerable crowd. These idiots act as if Pakistan would have to score a direct hit on a US carrier, when in fact, landing anywhere inside of a five mile radius is more than sufficient, those aboard that don't die immediately, could die an agonizing death weeks later from just the radiation from the blast.

Which gives a distinct advantage to the attacker who uses low tech targeting means.

Think close only counts in hand grenades and horses shoes on steroids.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I certainly would hope that it never comes to Pakistan trying to use nukes against US carrier groups, but I still have to amazed at the ignorance of the US is invulnerable crowd. These idiots act as if Pakistan would have to score a direct hit on a US carrier, when in fact, landing anywhere inside of a five mile radius is more than sufficient, those aboard that don't die immediately, could die an agonizing death weeks later from just the radiation from the blast.

Which gives a distinct advantage to the attacker who uses low tech targeting means.

Think close only counts in hand grenades and horses shoes on steroids.

I would imagine if someone didn't understand the repurcussions of nuclear fallout, they also wouldn't be able to login to atot.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I certainly would hope that it never comes to Pakistan trying to use nukes against US carrier groups, but I still have to amazed at the ignorance of the US is invulnerable crowd. These idiots act as if Pakistan would have to score a direct hit on a US carrier, when in fact, landing anywhere inside of a five mile radius is more than sufficient, those aboard that don't die immediately, could die an agonizing death weeks later from just the radiation from the blast.

Which gives a distinct advantage to the attacker who uses low tech targeting means.

Think close only counts in hand grenades and horses shoes on steroids.

That's not really true. Ships are exceptionally poor targets for nukes. The electronics on a ship are hardened for the most part, so the EMP wouldn't be nearly as devastating to a carrier as it would be to a city. This is particularly true for weapon and C4I systems.

Secondly the outside of a ship is highly reisistant to the kind of heat a nuclear weapon would generate unless the impact was pretty close. The largest danger would be the waves generated by the explosion, but that largely depends on if it's an air burst or an underwater burst. Even that danger isn't such a big deal as carriers are pretty big. As far as radiation goes, the ship is once again a highly resistant target. It has limited entry and exit points, a built in washdown system to remove radioactive debris and dosimeters located all over the ship to alert the crew to compromised areas.

That's not to say that a nuclear weapon wouldn't be bad news for a carrier battle group, but they are honestly some of the targets most able to resist nuclear attack. They are a moving target with moderate ABM ability that is hardened against EMP attack.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:laugh: at this entire thread.

Chock full of sabre rattling at a country that has never attacked us, and poses no threat to us.

The US, like all great powers whose reach exceeds their grasp, will eventually crumble if this kind of thinking rules our way of life.

Wow... okay, first... it's the OP who's doing the saber rattling, with all his "Death to the American imperialists!" bullsh!t. Kindly don't misconstrue the rightfully indignant responses to that.
Second, the people gaining control of Pakistan are the same as the ones who attacked us on 9/11, and they still do claim to be a threat to us.
And finally, the tragedy is that all this could have been avoided except Bush had to go war-profiteering in Iraq. It's kind of like if, after Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt had declared war on China.