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TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: K1052
Hopefully we have a bead on where the Pakistani nukes are so we can go in and grab them when this house of cards they call a government falls apart.
That or feed the info to India. I doubt it will come to that, but if the country does splinter--and it's not just that a new power is coming along, the place really is a mess--then I would hope the world wouldn't let new factions be in control of nuclear weapons, that would be irresponsible. I'd feel far more comfortable with a nuclear Iran than a couple or three half-assed new pakistan power centers with weapons.

And do you think India can afford a war against us? Even a conventional one? Both countries can't and India has more to far more to lose.

Doesn't most of the world think India would hand Pakistan's ass to them?

You're fucking crazy btw. US economics dictated by Jew's? muahhahaha.. No wonder people in your country can't get their shit together.. I don't care how much schooling you get if the education sucks. You sound like a terrorist in the making.
 

NeoV

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The Pakistan/India conflict over Kashmir isn't going anyway any time soon

As far as economic development in the 'tribal' areas - not going to happen - the infrastructure just isn't in place - it's such a remote, isolated area - they would literally need to build on a massive scale just to reach those areas or be able to move people back and forth more quickly than they are able to today.

I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Sinsear
I guess I know who we'll be bombing next.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's us because I I see the US as nothing more than tyrants, despots, and aggressors. Is there a reason I should believe otherwise. "Verily God's curse is upon (the) oppressors"

I understand that's your opinion, but do you have a sense of how the country feels outside of your social circle?

Yes. Most people have a far more negative view of the USA then I do. Many were happy 9/11 happened. Most were apathetic. 95% of all people I know believe the USA is waging war against Islam. With the things they're doing I would have to agree with them. Tyrant empires that have looked invincible have eventually fallen. May the USA suffer the same fate. Think outside what the idiot box tells you. Don't believe everything your media tells you and maybe then you will be able to see the evil that your government is doing in your name.

I could understand certain parts of the globe being apathetic, but seeing this a war against Islam? That I find confusing.

You have invaded two Islamic countries and have killed thousands. You have threated Iran and now Pakistan. You racially profile muslims. Most of those at Guantanomo are muslims and are held without charge. You let Israel do whatever it pleases against muslims. Most of their bombs are US donations. Western influence has tried to change what is taught at secular schools about Islam. Need more reasons?

 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: K1052
Hopefully we have a bead on where the Pakistani nukes are so we can go in and grab them when this house of cards they call a government falls apart.

That won't happen. Our nukes are secure. Small commando teams will never be able to secure them. And there are atleast 40 warheads. Even if you manage to get one we will be alerted and move our nukes from their bunkers. And might even use one or two on your carrier group.

Wouldn't take long to drop in elements of the 101st Airborne out of Iraq to secure the sites. US air power would be more than sufficient to protect them from major assault long enough to extract the weapons.

How would Pakistan deliver that nuke intact to the carrier group, by unicorn?

Well Unicorns are about as fictitious as the Quran, so he probably thinks thats how it will go down. It will be like Charlie going to Magic Mountain (to get his virgins lol)

 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: K1052
Hopefully we have a bead on where the Pakistani nukes are so we can go in and grab them when this house of cards they call a government falls apart.
That or feed the info to India. I doubt it will come to that, but if the country does splinter--and it's not just that a new power is coming along, the place really is a mess--then I would hope the world wouldn't let new factions be in control of nuclear weapons, that would be irresponsible. I'd feel far more comfortable with a nuclear Iran than a couple or three half-assed new pakistan power centers with weapons.

And do you think India can afford a war against us? Even a conventional one? Both countries can't and India has more to far more to lose.

Doesn't most of the world think India would hand Pakistan's ass to them?

You're fucking crazy btw. US economics dictated by Jew's? muahhahaha.. No wonder people in your country can't get their shit together.. I don't care how much schooling you get if the education sucks. You sound like a terrorist in the making.

See. That's another brainwashed opinion. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a terrorist. I don't want to argue with someone that labels me a terrorist.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Sinsear
I guess I know who we'll be bombing next.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's us because I I see the US as nothing more than tyrants, despots, and aggressors. Is there a reason I should believe otherwise. "Verily God's curse is upon (the) oppressors"

I understand that's your opinion, but do you have a sense of how the country feels outside of your social circle?

Yes. Most people have a far more negative view of the USA then I do. Many were happy 9/11 happened. Most were apathetic. 95% of all people I know believe the USA is waging war against Islam. With the things they're doing I would have to agree with them. Tyrant empires that have looked invincible have eventually fallen. May the USA suffer the same fate. Think outside what the idiot box tells you. Don't believe everything your media tells you and maybe then you will be able to see the evil that your government is doing in your name.

I could understand certain parts of the globe being apathetic, but seeing this a war against Islam? That I find confusing.

You have invaded two Islamic countries and have killed thousands. You have threated Iran and now Pakistan. You racially profile muslims. Most of those at Guantanomo are muslims and are held without charge. You let Israel do whatever it pleases against muslims. Most of their bombs are US donations. Western influence has tried to change what is taught at secular schools about Islam. Need more reasons?

Stop your pyscho islamic buddies from threatening the world and maybe they won't get bombed. I'm going to show this thread to my friend's from Pakistan. They hate people like you. All they talk about is pyscho Islamists tearing their country down.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: K1052
Hopefully we have a bead on where the Pakistani nukes are so we can go in and grab them when this house of cards they call a government falls apart.
That or feed the info to India. I doubt it will come to that, but if the country does splinter--and it's not just that a new power is coming along, the place really is a mess--then I would hope the world wouldn't let new factions be in control of nuclear weapons, that would be irresponsible. I'd feel far more comfortable with a nuclear Iran than a couple or three half-assed new pakistan power centers with weapons.

And do you think India can afford a war against us? Even a conventional one? Both countries can't and India has more to far more to lose.

Doesn't most of the world think India would hand Pakistan's ass to them?

You're fucking crazy btw. US economics dictated by Jew's? muahhahaha.. No wonder people in your country can't get their shit together.. I don't care how much schooling you get if the education sucks. You sound like a terrorist in the making.

See. That's another brainwashed opinion. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a terrorist. I don't want to argue with someone that labels me a terrorist.

What is Jihad? Do you believe in Jihad? Sounds like war to me.

 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: SkoorbOh right, because Israel has a tendency to start wars with its neighbors... Your logic doesn't work; the US also supports nations like Saudi, which has pretty strict Islamic laws in place. The US is interested in economics and security (if they support its economics), hence Israel, a comparitively sane counter-weight in the Middle East to nations with a history of upheval and insanity.

Saudi Arabia is an enemy of mainstream Islam. They're the birthplace of OBL and the terrorist movement. But you really aren't interested in taking out the root of the problem. You only use it as an excuse to bomb innocent people.



Probably not, that's why a healthy air campaign from the US would be the best course of action. No need for Commando teams, just lots of bombers and cruise missiles.

You mean indiscriminate carpet bombing. I hope the US gets a taste of it's own medicine.

 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
The fact that American economics is dictated by jews who are supporters of Israel is the reason why they're against Islam.
Oh right, because Israel has a tendency to start wars with its neighbors... Your logic doesn't work; the US also supports nations like Saudi, which has pretty strict Islamic laws in place. The US is interested in economics and security (if they support its economics), hence Israel, a comparitively sane counter-weight in the Middle East to nations with a history of upheval and insanity.
And do you think India can afford a war against us? Even a conventional one? Both countries can't and India has more to far more to lose.
Probably not, that's why a healthy air campaign from the US would be the best course of action. No need for Commando teams, just lots of bombers and cruise missiles.

Our guys are smart, they don't need to kill themselves to blow stuff up. :p
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: K1052

How would Pakistan deliver that nuke intact to the carrier group, by unicorn?

Ballistic and cruise missiles.

That would be shot down, probably before they ever got out of pakistan. You realize what would happen to Pakistan if they ever launched a nuke at a US asset? It would become the 51st state of the Union.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Stop your pyscho islamic buddies from threatening the world and maybe they won't get bombed. I'm going to show this thread to my friend's from Pakistan. They hate people like you. All they talk about is pyscho Islamists tearing their country down.

In yours and theirs opinion should I be killed?
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Stop your pyscho islamic buddies from threatening the world and maybe they won't get bombed. I'm going to show this thread to my friend's from Pakistan. They hate people like you. All they talk about is pyscho Islamists tearing their country down.

In yours and theirs opinion should I be killed?

No. Just enlightened. How long did you live in Pakistan?

I'm just giving you a hard time. btw.

 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
What is Jihad? Do you believe in Jihad? Sounds like war to me.

Jihad means struggle. There are many ways of struggling and if it comes to war Islam isn't afraid to call its followers to fight. Are you sure an American is really in a position to criticize war? The war Alqaeeda is fighting isn't a jihad. It's not even a war. It's crime.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: K1052

How would Pakistan deliver that nuke intact to the carrier group, by unicorn?

Ballistic and cruise missiles.

I said intact. I'd bet anything one or more of the ships in each battle group that goes into this corner of the world are fitted with the Aegis BMD system which, unlike its NMD counterpart, has been proven to be quite effective.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: K1052

How would Pakistan deliver that nuke intact to the carrier group, by unicorn?

Ballistic and cruise missiles.

First off, a ballistic missile cannot be targeted at a moving target, they just don't have the accuracy to do it. It's not like the nukes in question have dynamic target tracking with advanced GPS or interial navigation, enough so to hit a moving target. Even if they got within 10 miles, the affect wouldn't be as big as you think.

As far as cruise missiles, phalanx can take care of many, SAMS can hit them too, from Aegis, the new Sea-RAM can take care of the rest.

You're really not up on mil-tech are you?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: NeoV
I do think this is going to be interesting - both McCain and Obama have said that they will make finding OBL priority - and if he really is in Pakistan, or we want to look for him there - something has to give.

I love your American logic. You would kill thousands of innocent people to get a murderer who is no longer a threat? And then you complain when the world calls you aggressors and oppressors.

WTF is Jihad? Do you believe in it?

Jihad is a struggle. It's a pillar of Islam. A person would not be a muslim if he didn't believe in it.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Stop your pyscho islamic buddies from threatening the world and maybe they won't get bombed. I'm going to show this thread to my friend's from Pakistan. They hate people like you. All they talk about is pyscho Islamists tearing their country down.

In yours and theirs opinion should I be killed?

No. Just enlightened. How long did you live in Pakistan?

I'm just giving you a hard time. btw.

20 years.

 

StageLeft

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You mean indiscriminate carpet bombing.
No, taking out nuclear sites would be more pinpoint than that.

Afghanistan was asking for it and the UN was behind the attack there. If people in Pakistan cannot understand why it happened, they need to open their minds. The attack on Iraq was a complete cluster fvck, no argument there. Agree about Gitmo, too, it's a shame.

I don't think realistically Pakistan can cause harm to US navy/air force. Cruise missiles are a non-starter. I don't know what defense exists against ICBMs or if they're even a reasonable weapon against a carrier group anyway, but that assumes that a campaign wouldn't take all these out at once. Pakistan's ICBMs are probably the kind that require hours before firing anyway.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Stop your pyscho islamic buddies from threatening the world and maybe they won't get bombed. I'm going to show this thread to my friend's from Pakistan. They hate people like you. All they talk about is pyscho Islamists tearing their country down.

In yours and theirs opinion should I be killed?

No. Just enlightened. How long did you live in Pakistan?

I'm just giving you a hard time. btw.

20 years.

I remember being 20 and thinking I knew everything.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Sinsear
I guess I know who we'll be bombing next.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's us because I I see the US as nothing more than tyrants, despots, and aggressors. Is there a reason I should believe otherwise. "Verily God's curse is upon (the) oppressors"

I understand that's your opinion, but do you have a sense of how the country feels outside of your social circle?

Most Pakistanis will first leap to the same excuses - and that is without a doubt what they are, excuses - for Pakistan's current wretched state as The Green Bean stated. Then, if you begin to ask some incisive questions, most quickly recant and admit that the failings of the Muslim world are largely their own fault:

- Weak, indecisive, mind-blowingly corrupt leaders
- Continued cozying up to the religious right for political reasons
- A complete lack of republicanism (no respect for rule of law, government, or paying your taxes)
- A shamelessly sexist and bigoted culture which leaves an enormous amount of potential workers sitting at home
- A culture that rewards shows of excess while the other half of the country starves

It goes on and on, and most Pakistanis will freely own up to the facts. Unfortunately, their first response is almost always to blame some cabal of Americans, Israelis or basically anyone that takes the responsibility out of their own helpless hands. Ironically, if Pakistanis took a hard look at Israel they might actually learn something about how to lift themselves out of the global gutter.
 

Butterbean

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Musharaff was epic and will be missed. US people and stupid media never understood how great he was.


"Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race ..the Muslim Ummah was presently living in darkness."