Murtha dies at age 77

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ProfJohn

ProfJohn

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Lemon law said:
I don't think its hard to find many things not to like about Mirtha, but still, he had, IMHO, a redeeming role in being the first really pro military congressman to question the prudence of the Iraq war.

And good, bad , or indifferent, death claims all politicians and non politicians in the end.
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It is strange, but his shameful behavior about the war may have saved American lives in the long run by pushing Bush to adopt the surge strategy that got us to where we are now.

On the flip side though, declaring the war lost may have cost lives by encouraging the resistance to keep up their efforts.
 
Babbles

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I do not wish to be happy with a person's death, but let's just say that I am exceedingly happy his corrupt unethical ass isn't in office any longer.
 
exdeath

exdeath

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These are bastards who make decisions that affect our lives every day, from stealing our income to telling us what color car we are allowed to drive for the sake of the planet. No sympathy from me; rot in hell. We have so many socialists in this nation that keep these rats in power for so long, this is the only way we can get these rats out of office anymore.

If an R, I, or L takes his place (I or L preferably), then his death will be for a worthy cause.
 
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Lemon law

Lemon law

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I have to say that the right wing pro GOP are excellent grudge holders. But still Murtha was a military Veteran and the very first of a large number of Vietnam vets to be elected to congress. And since 1985, Murta was arguably the strongest advocate for military vets in congress. As well as an advocate of having a strong military. And as a head of the military appropriations committee, he had a long track record of getting the military what it needed.

But its also true that Murtha knew how to grab every congressional funding perk he could while cutting ethical corners, but he still looks decidedly third rate in that department when compared to the now rejected Tom Delay and the current John Boenher. And as the pro-GOPer falls all over themselves to point out that Murtha was partly involved in Abascam, how quickly and conveniently they forget to mention that John McCain was caught up as deep also. Or we could mention that other strong pro military advocate that held a long time seat in congress by the name of Duke Cunningham. Even though he is now jailed for taking a GWB bribe, was he all evil too, as he put his life on the line fighting for the USA in combat?

My point is and remains, the life of Murtha was hardly all black or all white, and like many other people, he leaves life with a mixed legacy. And now that is he gone, there is something hypocritical in trying to focus on only the bad things or only the good things he has done.
 
nick1985

nick1985

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Lemon law said:
I have to say that the right wing pro GOP are excellent grudge holders.
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What has been said about him is NOTHING compared to what is said by the left when members of the GOP die.

You do a good job of sticking your head in the sand when that happens and ignoring it, however.
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Nick1985 shows his own bias in saying, "What has been said about him is NOTHING compared to what is said by the left when members of the GOP die."

When its more of a mirror image than anything else.
 
nick1985

nick1985

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Lemon law said:
Nick1985 shows his own bias in saying, "What has been said about him is NOTHING compared to what is said by the left when members of the GOP die."

When its more of a mirror image than anything else.
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Lemon law shows his own bias by posting
 
cubeless

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Lemon law said:
I have to say that the right wing pro GOP are excellent grudge holders. But still Murtha was a military Veteran and the very first of a large number of Vietnam vets to be elected to congress. And since 1985, Murta was arguably the strongest advocate for military vets in congress. As well as an advocate of having a strong military. And as a head of the military appropriations committee, he had a long track record of getting the military what it needed.

But its also true that Murtha knew how to grab every congressional funding perk he could while cutting ethical corners, but he still looks decidedly third rate in that department when compared to the now rejected Tom Delay and the current John Boenher. And as the pro-GOPer falls all over themselves to point out that Murtha was partly involved in Abascam, how quickly and conveniently they forget to mention that John McCain was caught up as deep also. Or we could mention that other strong pro military advocate that held a long time seat in congress by the name of Duke Cunningham. Even though he is now jailed for taking a GWB bribe, was he all evil too, as he put his life on the line fighting for the USA in combat?

My point is and remains, the life of Murtha was hardly all black or all white, and like many other people, he leaves life with a mixed legacy. And now that is he gone, there is something hypocritical in trying to focus on only the bad things or only the good things he has done.
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so let's see... you say the good thing he did was cozy up to the defense contractors and spend untold trillions on military hardware (complete with his reelection fund and their overruns) and so what if he was unethical and a porker... that's a little ironic for a lib...

but, of course, then you compare him to others to make him seem 'better' by some comparison? ahhh, back to lib form...
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Maybe point taken cubeless. As a poster who is mostly antiwar and is hardly pleased to see America bankrupt itself getting into foreign military adventure optional wars, maybe I should therefore deride Murtha for his stances in being an enabler of those policies. But after all, the super strong miitary has always been more of an enduring plank of the GOP, so why are they MIA in praising Murtha.

And long before I joined this forum, I was against the Vietnam war, but that certainly does not mean I should be opposed to the VA benefits Murtha sought for those ordinary people who fought and died for the stupidity of our then leaders. I still blame people like LBJ and Nixon for setting the policies, and not the victims who followed policy.

In short, I try to think for myself, and not blindly follow any parties partisan party line. If nothing else, its an insult to my own intelligence to think in only black and white terms.
 
Specop 007

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RIP is a show of respect. Respect is earned. He lost my respect long ago. Fuck him. I hope hes tapdancing on a hot coal right about now.

Condolences to his family however.
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Specop 007 said:
RIP is a show of respect. Respect is earned. He lost my respect long ago. Fuck him. I hope hes tapdancing on a hot coal right about now.

Condolences to his family however.
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At the end of everyday, the question of tapdancing on coals or not will be made by a far higher power than Specop 007. Maybe you should not presume to be that higher power because its removed from all our hands.
 
Modelworks

Modelworks

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I didn't care for him but I hope his family the best.
Just saw that there will be a law suit for malpractice most likely since the doctor made a mistake during the operation. The surgeon nicked the intestines on what they said was a simple operation.
 
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