Murder spree committed by U.S. vets

MadRat

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Courtesy of Yahoo! News & The New York Times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...LbTOW77Wvg3OWis8XZa7gF

Excerpt#1: "At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report."


Excerpt#2: "The 121 killings ranged from shootings and stabbings to bathtub drownings and fatal car crashes resulting from drunken driving, the newspaper said. All but one of those implicated was male.

About a third of the victims were girlfriends or relatives, including a 2-year-old girl slain by her 20-year-old father while he was recovering from wounds sustained in Iraq.

A quarter of the victims were military personnel. One was stabbed and set afire by fellow soldiers a day after they all returned from Iraq."


It appears that serving in the U.S. military is detrimental to ones mental condition, especially to those members that were male. If you know of anyone that has returned from Iraq and Afghanistan recently and is exhibiting post-traumatic stress syndrome then this is a good reason to get them help. While 470 homicides for this group seems statistically small on the surface, it is an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period.
 

palehorse

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PTSD and TBI are real problems, but they're nothing new. When our country goes to war, there are side effects of every type... fiscal, mental, criminal, marital, geopolitical, etc.

So... ummm... thanks for raising awareness of PTSD? :confused:
 

blackangst1

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Regarding PTSD, we pick and choose what mental illnesses we consider "valid". If someone kills, assualts, or whatever because they are unmedicated bi-polar for example, we harshly accuse them for not taking responsibility. Or mothers with post birth depression who kill their kids. But, PTSD, when related to the war, is valid. Because the war is wrong and all.
 

Wheezer

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blah blah blah...how many homicides are related to illegals? Blacks? Gays?

I can take any segment of the population and make the numbers look bad in relation to the population as a whole.

Do it with illegals and you are anti-Hispanic.

Do it with Blacks you are racist against the black man.

Do it with gays and you are homophobic.


Just another inflammatory article.

How many killing of military personnel happen against them by non military?

The only reason this is any big deal to the press at all is because of this marine that was killed recently.

Take a sensational story, run with it ans sensationalize it even more.

as long as the murder rate by military personnel rises at or around the same rate as the population as a whole, it's ok...but if there is an increase ever so slightly...that's BAD....it MUST be the war......

Murder is acceptable as long as it falls with in certain parameters which the press deems as acceptable, when it varies even slightly...THEN there is a problem....anyone see anything wrong with that?
 

MadRat

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These were not to make the military look bad, it was to draw attention to the fact there was an 89% increase since the War on Terror started.

You came up the the military looking bad on your own insenuations, Wheezer.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: MadRat
These were not to make the military look bad, it was to draw attention to the fact there was an 89% increase since the War on Terror started.

You came up the the military looking bad on your own insenuations, Wheezer.

as has been reported on the news those statistics are misleading for a very major reason....

Most of the type problems are handled by the individual states and nationwide statistic are not kept....

Looks to me like more flame bait...
 

fskimospy

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He mentioned that the experiences of the war seem to be screwing with people's heads. This is obviously true, and has always been true about warfare. Human beings are not equipped to handle the horrible things they experience in war. His only conclusion was that people with PTSD often suffer silently and if you knew someone you might want to get them some help.

It's okay right wingers! We know you love the war. This thread is an awesome rorschach test. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the war was wrong, but it is amusing to see you jump to defend it. You rush to defend something when it isn't even being attacked. Nice!
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
He mentioned that the experiences of the war seem to be screwing with people's heads. This is obviously true, and has always been true about warfare. Human beings are not equipped to handle the horrible things they experience in war. His only conclusion was that people with PTSD often suffer silently and if you knew someone you might want to get them some help.

It's okay right wingers! We know you love the war. This thread is an awesome rorschach test. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the war was wrong, but it is amusing to see you jump to defend it. You rush to defend something when it isn't even being attacked. Nice!
Like I pointed out in my first post above, if raising awareness of PTSD was the OP's intent, he sure has a roundabout way of going about it...
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
He mentioned that the experiences of the war seem to be screwing with people's heads. This is obviously true, and has always been true about warfare. Human beings are not equipped to handle the horrible things they experience in war. His only conclusion was that people with PTSD often suffer silently and if you knew someone you might want to get them some help.

It's okay right wingers! We know you love the war. This thread is an awesome rorschach test. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the war was wrong, but it is amusing to see you jump to defend it. You rush to defend something when it isn't even being attacked. Nice!

Let's take a step back and examine reality. There hasn't been a single war that hasn't caused an increase in this type of behavior. It comes with the territory.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: eskimospy
He mentioned that the experiences of the war seem to be screwing with people's heads. This is obviously true, and has always been true about warfare. Human beings are not equipped to handle the horrible things they experience in war. His only conclusion was that people with PTSD often suffer silently and if you knew someone you might want to get them some help.

It's okay right wingers! We know you love the war. This thread is an awesome rorschach test. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the war was wrong, but it is amusing to see you jump to defend it. You rush to defend something when it isn't even being attacked. Nice!

Let's take a step back and examine reality. There hasn't been a single war that hasn't caused an increase in this type of behavior. It comes with the territory.

Exactly right. Of course to that I would say who cares?

First of all this thread isn't about whether the Iraq war is good or not, it's about the consequences of war in general. Secondly, saying that "all wars do terrible things to people's minds" isn't a very good argument for Iraq even if you want to make one.
 

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That number means nothing at all without comparison to others. Nothing, not anything whatsoever.
 

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The article was intended to make the military & the government look bad because they have been too cheap to provide Irag veterans with transition support when they leave the military. No trauma treatment, no job training. Nothing but releasing them on the cheap with no follow up and no tools to help them transition back into a civilian population.

The article even says that they think that they are seriously under reporting the problems veterans encounter because their only source of information is newspaper articles on crimes that mention that the accused had served in Iraq. The military does not try to track veterans to see how they are doing or if they are getting into problems.

Originally posted by: MadRat
These were not to make the military look bad, it was to draw attention to the fact there was an 89% increase since the War on Terror started.

You came up the the military looking bad on your own insenuations, Wheezer.

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
That number means nothing at all without comparison to others. Nothing, not anything whatsoever.

That's not right in the slightest. They compared two six year periods of murder rates within the same group, that's completely valid.

The question is not if members of the military are a bunch of murderers or not, the question was the effect of the war on this group.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Courtesy of Yahoo! News & The New York Times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...LbTOW77Wvg3OWis8XZa7gF

Excerpt#1: "At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report."


Excerpt#2: "The 121 killings ranged from shootings and stabbings to bathtub drownings and fatal car crashes resulting from drunken driving, the newspaper said. All but one of those implicated was male.

About a third of the victims were girlfriends or relatives, including a 2-year-old girl slain by her 20-year-old father while he was recovering from wounds sustained in Iraq.

A quarter of the victims were military personnel. One was stabbed and set afire by fellow soldiers a day after they all returned from Iraq."


It appears that serving in the U.S. military is detrimental to ones mental condition, especially to those members that were male. If you know of anyone that has returned from Iraq and Afghanistan recently and is exhibiting post-traumatic stress syndrome then this is a good reason to get them help. While 470 homicides for this group seems statistically small on the surface, it is an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period.

Well if you put 1 and 1 together you get 2. Take this article from the OP and take this link into account maybe we will begin to understand? ;)