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Mueller prosecutor says Trump should be investigated and face charges after leaving office

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zzyzxroad said:
What you seem to know if very little.
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Ah resorting to personal attacks. The intelligent thing to do.

Probably because the GOP are as much war mongers as the Dems are.

But I'm unusual. I don't believe that execution, for any reason, is ever the right thing to do.

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blackangst1 said:
Ok? I've already said I believe it was a crime. What more do I need to say?
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But you haven't addressed the legal argument here, which is sort of necessary before declaring something to be a crime, is it not?

If, say, we were at war with a specific country, any country, and Awlaki moved to that country and joined its military, we could kill him at any time as an enemy combatant. We could kill him in a bombing or through any other means, whether as part of a group or targeted individually, and no one would think that odd in any way.

The argument here is that Congress passed the AUMF which said we were at war with Al Qaeda. Enemy combatants during wartime do not have Constitutional rights because they aren't being killed for committing crimes, but for being enemy combatants. That was Obama's legal basis for doing it.

Maybe it's a bad idea for Congress to declare war against a terrorist group instead of nation because it allows us to do things like this? If so, we can address that politically through Congress.
 
woolfe9998 said:
But you haven't addressed the legal argument here, which is sort of necessary before declaring something to be a crime, is it not?

If, say, we were at war with a specific country, any country, and Awlaki moved to that country and joined its military, we could kill him at any time as an enemy combatant. We could kill him in a bombing or through any other means, whether as part of a group or targeted individually, and no one would think that odd in any way.

The argument here is that Congress passed the AUMF which said we were at war with Al Qaeda. Enemy combatants during wartime do not have Constitutional rights because they aren't being killed for committing crimes, but for being enemy combatants. That was Obama's legal basis for doing it.

Maybe it's a bad idea for Congress to declare war against a terrorist group instead of nation because it allows us to do things like this? If so, we can address that politically through Congress.
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He was still protected by the constitution.
 
JEDI said:
what makes you think Pence will sacrifice his political career for Trump?
(Ford got defeated for re-election because he pardoned Nixon)
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But that was then, if Pence followed through trump's 72 million followers would consider him a legend. Remember that back then Nixon's GOP had turned against him and told him he would have faced a conviction in the Senate, we've seen
very little in the current POS senator's show a tiny bit of spine or duty to country.
 
woolfe9998 said:
But you haven't addressed the legal argument here, which is sort of necessary before declaring something to be a crime, is it not?

If, say, we were at war with a specific country, any country, and Awlaki moved to that country and joined its military, we could kill him at any time as an enemy combatant. We could kill him in a bombing or through any other means, whether as part of a group or targeted individually, and no one would think that odd in any way.

The argument here is that Congress passed the AUMF which said we were at war with Al Qaeda. Enemy combatants during wartime do not have Constitutional rights because they aren't being killed for committing crimes, but for being enemy combatants. That was Obama's legal basis for doing it.

Maybe it's a bad idea for Congress to declare war against a terrorist group instead of nation because it allows us to do things like this? If so, we can address that politically through Congress.
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He may believe this was some flippant last minute decision by Obama made without thought?

Obama was dealing with a very difficulty environment and situation. I don't think he was a war monger. I don't think he hated Muslims and wanted to see more of them dead. I like most will never be privy to the inelegance he was operating under. People like blackangst1 want to cast Dems as equals to Republicans when it comes to their love of War which is laughable.
 
zzyzxroad said:
He may believe this was some flippant last minute decision by Obama made without thought?

Obama was dealing with a very difficulty environment and situation. I don't think he was a war monger. I don't think he hated Muslims and wanted to see more of them dead. I like most will never be privy to the inelegance he was operating under. People like blackangst1 want to cast Dems as equals to Republicans when it comes to their love of War which is laughable.
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As much as you'd like for this to be true, I don't believe that at all.
 
blackangst1 said:
He was still protected by the constitution.
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If he moved to another country we were at war with and joined its military, would he still be protected by the Constitution? If not, then explain the difference between that situation and the actual situation that Awlaki was in.
 
Bu-bu-bu-but Obama!

Weissman was right in the middle of it, so he obviously knows a lot more than we do. I figure the next AG will give Congress whatever they want from the original investigation & also that they will demand documents & testimony from people Trump shielded with claims of executive privilege & absolute immunity. Right after the indictment for the pornstar payoffs. The ink was dry on that a long time ago.
 
Jhhnn said:
Bu-bu-bu-but Obama!

Weissman was right in the middle of it, so he obviously knows a lot more than we do. I figure the next AG will give Congress whatever they want from the original investigation & also that they will demand documents & testimony from people Trump shielded with claims of executive privilege & absolute immunity. Right after the indictment for the pornstar payoffs. The ink was dry on that a long time ago.
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I wasn't equating Trump and Obama, jackass. And as I've said many times before... If the justice steamroller rolls over on Trump, so be it.
 
zzyzxroad said:
You literally just said "Probably because the GOP are as much war mongers as the Dems are."
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They are, and that's not what I was commenting on lol. I don't believe the decision was made on a whim.

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BUTCH1 said:
But that was then, if Pence followed through trump's 72 million followers would consider him a legend. Remember that back then Nixon's GOP had turned against him and told him he would have faced a conviction in the Senate, we've seen
very little in the current POS senator's show a tiny bit of spine or duty to country.
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I hope there are not 72M true believers. I guess it is 15-20M which is still a scary amount of totally insane cult members.
 
blackangst1 said:
They are, and that's not what I was commenting on lol. I don't believe the decision was made on a whim.
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It's hard to tell with you since your posts are all so nonsensical.

You are wrong by the way and I can prove it with numbers.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 % of Ayes
House 97% Rep vs 39% Dems
Senate 98% Rep. 58% Dems

Plus do you not remember who pushed the whole WMD charade?
 
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zzyzxroad said:
It's hard to tell with you since your posts are all so nonsensical.

You are wrong by the way and I can prove it with numbers.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 % of Ayes
House 97% Rep vs 39% Dems
Senate 98% Rep. 58% Dems

Plus do you not remember who pushed the whole WMD charade?
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Cool. Anecdotal evidence.
 
Pohemi420 said:
Of course it is, because 1) Bush is a Good Ol' Boy and 2) @blackangst1 is a fucking moron.
Bush did nothing wrong and Trump is the greatest since Lincoln (or is it 'ever'?). Obama however is a warmonger who eats kittens, kills babies, and wanted to take yer gurns.

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I just watched this. Interview of an author who knows about Donald Trump. Anyone who doesn't understand the situation should watch this. It was from before he won the 2016 election. He accurately predicts what happened after Trump was elected. He understood Trump that well. He teaches at Syracuse and has tons of journalistic experience. Knew Trump personally, totally understands where he's coming from. This is long and would include a handful of what I'm sure were great videos internally, but they deleted them out of this video.

 
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zzyzxroad said:
He may believe this was some flippant last minute decision by Obama made without thought?

Obama was dealing with a very difficulty environment and situation. I don't think he was a war monger. I don't think he hated Muslims and wanted to see more of them dead. I like most will never be privy to the inelegance he was operating under. People like blackangst1 want to cast Dems as equals to Republicans when it comes to their love of War which is laughable.
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Its just more Republican two faced bullshit. The chickenhawks become chickenshits when it suits them. Republicans called Bill Clinton a warmonger and said he was going too hard after Osama Bin Laden.
 
Muse said:
I just watched this. Interview of an author who knows about Donald Trump. Anyone who doesn't understand the situation who doesn't understand the situation should watch this. It was from before he won the 2016 election.

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That's a great video thanks
 
BUTCH1 said:
But that was then, if Pence followed through trump's 72 million followers would consider him a legend. Remember that back then Nixon's GOP had turned against him and told him he would have faced a conviction in the Senate, we've seen
very little in the current POS senator's show a tiny bit of spine or duty to country.
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Pence has a political career?
 
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