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Mueller prosecutor says Trump should be investigated and face charges after leaving office

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Mueller prosecutor says Trump should be investigated and face charges after leaving office (yahoo.com)

Andrew Weissmann, an attorney who managed Mr Mueller’s two-year investigation into Russian-US ties, wrote in an op-ed that "Mr Trump's criminal exposure is clear.”

Mr Weissmann wrote: "As painful and hard as it may be for the country, I believe the next attorney general should investigate Mr Trump and, if warranted, prosecute him for potential federal crimes.”
the team uncovered "ample evidence" that the president had obstructed justice throughout the inquiry by threatening to dismiss Mr Mueller, among other actions.

Mr Weissmann wrote: “What precedent is set if obstructing such an investigation is allowed to go unpunished and undeterred?”


oh god i hope Biden tells his Attorney General to go after Trump.
and not do a Ford by pardoning his predecessor (Nixon) to get the country to move forward. (That dumb move cost him re-election.)
 
JEDI said:
Mueller prosecutor says Trump should be investigated and face charges after leaving office (yahoo.com)

Andrew Weissmann, an attorney who managed Mr Mueller’s two-year investigation into Russian-US ties, wrote in an op-ed that "Mr Trump's criminal exposure is clear.”

Mr Weissmann wrote: "As painful and hard as it may be for the country, I believe the next attorney general should investigate Mr Trump and, if warranted, prosecute him for potential federal crimes.”
the team uncovered "ample evidence" that the president had obstructed justice throughout the inquiry by threatening to dismiss Mr Mueller, among other actions.

Mr Weissmann wrote: “What precedent is set if obstructing such an investigation is allowed to go unpunished and undeterred?”


oh god i hope Biden tells his Attorney General to go after Trump.
and not do a Ford by pardoning his predecessor (Nixon) to get the country to move forward. (That dumb move cost him re-election.)
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Biden won't need to tell them anything nor should he. The farther away Biden is from any trump prosecution/investigation the better. The DOJ must be independent and not subject to the whims of a president.

What trump did with the DOJ must not happen again.
 
ivwshane said:
Biden won't need to tell them anything nor should he. The farther away Biden is from any trump prosecution/investigation the better. The DOJ must be independent and not subject to the whims of a president.

What trump did with the DOJ must not happen again.
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I see DJT taking a permanent staycation in an exotic foreign land...
 
Many politicians across several admins should be investigated, and notably for war crimes and using trillions in funds to bail out the rich.
 
JEDI said:
Mueller prosecutor says Trump should be investigated and face charges after leaving office (yahoo.com)

Andrew Weissmann, an attorney who managed Mr Mueller’s two-year investigation into Russian-US ties, wrote in an op-ed that "Mr Trump's criminal exposure is clear.”

Mr Weissmann wrote: "As painful and hard as it may be for the country, I believe the next attorney general should investigate Mr Trump and, if warranted, prosecute him for potential federal crimes.”
the team uncovered "ample evidence" that the president had obstructed justice throughout the inquiry by threatening to dismiss Mr Mueller, among other actions.

Mr Weissmann wrote: “What precedent is set if obstructing such an investigation is allowed to go unpunished and undeterred?”


oh god i hope Biden tells his Attorney General to go after Trump.
and not do a Ford by pardoning his predecessor (Nixon) to get the country to move forward. (That dumb move cost him re-election.)
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Unfortunately, statements like this, IMO, merely set the stage for Trump to step down just before Biden's inauguration...and Pense to issue a Nixon-like blanket pardon. That would leave the states free to go after him for any state crimes...but let him walk away from any federal crimes he may have committed..
 
BoomerD said:
Unfortunately, statements like this, IMO, merely set the stage for Trump to step down just before Biden's inauguration...and Pense to issue a Nixon-like blanket pardon. That would leave the states free to go after him for any state crimes...but let him walk away from any federal crimes he may have committed..
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It would be easier for Trump to escape prosecution if he did this or what you are implying. The question is will Trump break with Presidential norms of being President, running for reelection, losing and following transition protocols for the new incoming President? I would think if he was being investigated for something that has not been revealed to him by New York prosecutors would not fall under a pardon unless Trump specifically knows he is a target of it. I don't get how a pardon of himself gets him off Scot free of everything he could be involved in. If he pardons himself - He is admitting to guilt. That is showing the American people that Trump really "conned" the country to help himself, his family, businesses and friends. You could really call him Don the Con man! I'm hearing NY prosecutors are investigating his taxes and other things. How can Trump pardon himself for tax fraud and tax avoidance schemes? The general public can't do it - But, Trump can? You got to be shitting us...
 
Whether Biden stays out of any kind of *persecution* of Trump (from the minds of Trump's supporters) I'm thinking Biden will take the hit anyway because he's the AG's boss and the obvious target of retribution from Trump's die hard followers.

Also, Trump's supporters will go after whomever Trump tells them to and as far as Trump is concerned taking down Biden is his ticket toward getting reelected.

Not sure if going after Trump for crimes against The People is worth the risks involved, although I'd sure like to see him imprisoned a year for every single despicable self-serving thing he's done without regard for who he's hurt to have his way. IOW, a life term in solitude, no visitors, no twitter, no access to the outside world where he can continue to poison people's minds with his lies.
 
You have to look at it this way too. You see he packed his bags and took up residency in Florida. He knows he doesn't stand a chance of escaping prosecution staying at his "jet" Black hotel on Fifth Avenue in NYC. That move should have been an "omen" for people. Foretelling us that he feared losing the election to Biden and future prosecution. It was said in the news that Trump feared Biden most out of all the Democratic Presidential candidates. None of those candidates had the record or power that Biden had. Read up on Biden - none of them came close. Maybe - Hillary! But, She wasn't running? Who said, "I would love to run against her again? I'm going to cut in right here. (You see his fear of Biden right in that exclamation)After he trashed her and smeared her name in the last election. Answer: Trump! After Trump won against Hillary - He got sour grapes and commended her for her many years of service! If you don't believe me - GOOGLE it! There is video of his comments. See Trump knew Biden's strengths and you could say weaknesses. He also knew Biden could be tough, had a lot of experience and was no nonsense and lastly had many years of being on the debate stage. Hence, Biden being called a great debater. Let's not go back to the video tape when he cleaned the floor with Vice Presidential rival Paul Ryan. It was not pretty!
 
ivwshane said:
Biden won't need to tell them anything nor should he. The farther away Biden is from any trump prosecution/investigation the better. The DOJ must be independent and not subject to the whims of a president.

What trump did with the DOJ must not happen again.
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You know when it will happen again....

Cut. The. Head. Off. The. Damned. Snake.
Stomp it tf out. Biden........ please dont pussy out... plzzzzzz
 
Funny, very rich people especially those in government can get away with crimes and for a president it is even easier when you have one president pardoning another. And they will say, it's the pressure of the office, or the stress, or the overwhelming responsibility that we should give these politicians a break. And after all, they were serving the country and scarifying much. Yet, some black guy with a family and maybe some kids would go straight to F-ing jail and the stress and responsibility of feeding and housing his family wouldn't come into play. Sure, he robbed the 7-11 because his rent was past due and the kids had no food, yet the courts never care about any of that. Sure, they all should be investigated, all of the politicians, and held to accountability. Otherwise, the job as president is seen as an open opportunity to scam the government and screw the people.

JOB OPPORTUNITY: PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. HIRE YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, GET RICH QUICK, GET AWAY WITH MURDER, CHEAT THE SYSTEM, CHEAT ON YOUR TAXES. COMES WITH UNLIMITED GOLFING, UNLIMITED VACATION DAYS, UNLIMITED FIRST CLASS AIR TRAVEL FOR YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY ON YOUR PERSONAL GOVERNMENT JET, COMES WITH AN UNLIMITED EXPENSE ACCOUNT AND IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH JUST SELL AN AMBASSADORSHIP TO SOME RICH GUY. TEMPORARY POSITION FROM FOUR TO EIGHT YEARS BUT YOU ALONE CAN HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THAT.
 
Trump's solution to this is pretty simple-not only is he going to blanket pardon all his family and other members of the Trump crime family, but he is going to grant himself a self pardon. Very questionable legally, but with the monarchists currently on the Supreme Court, who knows? In any event given the Trump modus operandi of endless litigation and appeals he should be able to tie this up until his death.
 
BoomerD said:
Unfortunately, statements like this, IMO, merely set the stage for Trump to step down just before Biden's inauguration...and Pense to issue a Nixon-like blanket pardon. That would leave the states free to go after him for any state crimes...but let him walk away from any federal crimes he may have committed..
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what makes you think Pence will sacrifice his political career for Trump?
(Ford got defeated for re-election because he pardoned Nixon)
 
jameny5 said:
It would be easier for Trump to escape prosecution if he did this or what you are implying. The question is will Trump break with Presidential norms of being President, running for reelection, losing and following transition protocols for the new incoming President? I would think if he was being investigated for something that has not been revealed to him by New York prosecutors would not fall under a pardon unless Trump specifically knows he is a target of it. I don't get how a pardon of himself gets him off Scot free of everything he could be involved in. If he pardons himself - He is admitting to guilt. That is showing the American people that Trump really "conned" the country to help himself, his family, businesses and friends. You could really call him Don the Con man! I'm hearing NY prosecutors are investigating his taxes and other things. How can Trump pardon himself for tax fraud and tax avoidance schemes? The general public can't do it - But, Trump can? You got to be shitting us...
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A) Trump has show hundreds of times already that he has no problem breaking presidential norms.

B) None of his supporters will view it as admitting guilt. They will view it as protecting himself from the evil derp state.
 
Jhhnn said:
It would be poetic justice for Trump to resign on the promise of a Pence pardon only to have Pence welsh on the deal.
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This would be a next to perfect outcome. The perfect outcome being Trump convicted of criminal acts once we are finally able to get his records to properly investigste.
 
Jhhnn said:
I see DJT taking a permanent staycation in an exotic foreign land...
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Not a terrible outcome for the country. At least he'd be out of our hair, not having rallies, presumably unable to run in 2024. He'd tweet but what fart would pay attention?
 
tweaker2 said:
Whether Biden stays out of any kind of *persecution* of Trump (from the minds of Trump's supporters) I'm thinking Biden will take the hit anyway because he's the AG's boss and the obvious target of retribution from Trump's die hard followers.

Also, Trump's supporters will go after whomever Trump tells them to and as far as Trump is concerned taking down Biden is his ticket toward getting reelected.

Not sure if going after Trump for crimes against The People is worth the risks involved, although I'd sure like to see him imprisoned a year for every single despicable self-serving thing he's done without regard for who he's hurt to have his way. IOW, a life term in solitude, no visitors, no twitter, no access to the outside world where he can continue to poison people's minds with his lies.
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Oh come on! Pussy out because you're afraid of what the Republicans will do if you go after this uber criminal? That's just way too absurd to condone in any way and the most foolish thing the Democrats could do. Trump dug his own grave, let him fall in it. The Republicans blame the Democrats for Trump taking his own fall? Pullease.
 
Muse said:
Oh come on! Pussy out because you're afraid of what the Republicans will do if you go after this uber criminal? That's just way too absurd to condone in any way and the most foolish thing the Democrats could do. Trump dug his own grave, let him fall in it. The Republicans blame the Democrats for Trump taking his own fall? Pullease.
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How republicans react should be of no concern for anyone who values our democracy. The republicans will indeed scream bloody murder no matter what Biden does. So long as Biden remains uninvolved, they can have all their investigations and cry foul but everyone will know it’s bs.
 
conehead433 said:
"AND IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH JUST SELL AN AMBASSADORSHIP TO SOME RICH GUY"

Reminded me of a Producers skit on Jimmy Kimmel Live back in February of 2016. It was meant to be a spoof but turned out a little closer to reality, almost prophetic.
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That was really good.

Always liked Matt Broderick, and ever since I heard about Nathan Lane almost getting into a physical fight with Harvey Weinstein (probably twice his mass) well I just love the guy. Have always had a place in my heart for small people who bring the squabbles.
 
In the aftermath of the Trump admin we have an opportunity & an obligation to reaffirm our values, like the part about Liberty & Justice for all in the pledge of allegiance. It cuts both ways. No man is above the Law.
 
jameny5 said:
It would be easier for Trump to escape prosecution if he did this or what you are implying. The question is will Trump break with Presidential norms of being President, running for reelection, losing and following transition protocols for the new incoming President? I would think if he was being investigated for something that has not been revealed to him by New York prosecutors would not fall under a pardon unless Trump specifically knows he is a target of it. I don't get how a pardon of himself gets him off Scot free of everything he could be involved in. If he pardons himself - He is admitting to guilt. That is showing the American people that Trump really "conned" the country to help himself, his family, businesses and friends. You could really call him Don the Con man! I'm hearing NY prosecutors are investigating his taxes and other things. How can Trump pardon himself for tax fraud and tax avoidance schemes? The general public can't do it - But, Trump can? You got to be shitting us...
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The whole "Trump pardons himself" is something that is untested. It sounds like he thinks he can do it...but no one really knows. It's never beer tried before. A Presidential pardon won't stop any state charges...it would only apply to federal charges. Anything the State of NY can throw at him would still be in effect.
 
@Muse

Point well taken.

That being said, allow me to clarify. In my post I wasn't in favor of letting Trump off the hook as the last part of my post indicated. What I was trying to convey was how difficult it's going to be for Biden to weigh the trade-offs involved toward actively pursuing Trump for those crimes he's committed along with a host of other considerations, one of which is having Pence pardon him after resigning. I was for impeaching Trump back then just as I'm for going after him now. However, as I mentioned, there's a whole lot of variables that Biden has to contend with toward deciding whether to "allow the new AG to have his way with that".

Given the unpredictable ways of which Trump, his enablers in the legislature and his supporters will react toward having Trump being prosecuted and how that is going to affect Biden's ability to unite the nation and promote an aura of cooperation and compromise with McConnell, I was unsure if Biden should go after Trump in that light as well as the measure to which he should be gone after, although I am personally against having Trump not paying the price for his crimes.

My error was not mentioning at that time that Biden could take the discrete route toward resolving this dilemma by having some very candid behind the curtain talks with McConnell over how to best handle Trump's fate after he loses that shelter from prosecution his job gave him. In this way maybe, just maybe some kind of agreement can be made whereby McConnell will take a hands off approach toward Trump's situation by keeping his legislators and FOX from screaming to the heavens that the Dems will pay for their unjust treatment of Trump and other such ploys for endearing themselves to the Repub base. Trump will be out of office by then giving McConnel more space to bargain with, although his influence over the Repub base will still be hanging in the air.
 
BoomerD said:
The whole "Trump pardons himself" is something that is untested. It sounds like he thinks he can do it...but no one really knows. It's never beer tried before. A Presidential pardon won't stop any state charges...it would only apply to federal charges. Anything the State of NY can throw at him would still be in effect.
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Just... no. A self pardon violates the most basic principles underlying the Constitution & the Law-

Nemo iudex in causa sua - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Armed with that power, a future President could do anything they want other than escape impeachment & removal from office.
 
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