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Mueller indicts Russians

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imported_tajmahal said:
Russians held a Trump is not my President rally. Moore was there, where you Jhhnn?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mp-rally-allegedly-organized-by-russians.html

"Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016."
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That was *after* the election. At that point point playing both sides made sense to them. Before the election it was all Evil cheating Hillary! Trump is a Savior!

They'll get right behind any wedge issue in America. Did I mention that the GOP just loves wedge issues?
 
It's almost comical watching how amped up the TrumpTards are getting trying so hard to discredit this investigation before their Messiah even has his little orange feet held to the flame!

It's almost like they don't care if the POTUS is guilty or not. In their eyes hes always been inocent no matter what.

We call these people low information America hating kunts. Let the investigation continue and STFU...
 
fskimospy said:
My first point is entirely accurate. If you are saying that the Russians working to help Trump is a flimsy premise then you should talk to the entire US intelligence community about it.
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I'm saying that there was a hell of a lot more to the story that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.

fskimospy said:
Also, I didn't ask you if you KNEW he was covering up something, I asked you if you thought that was the most LIKELY answer. Do you?
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I'm totally speculating here...but I imagine Trump may have communicated with the Russians after he was elected...but being a complete noob didn't know it was OK to do so and lied about it to cover up a non-crime. That's my guess.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I'm saying that there was a hell of a lot more to the story that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.
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None of the rest of it matters as to whether or not Trump did something here as we're only concerning ourselves with Trump and what criminal actions he or his associates may have taken.

I'm totally speculating here...but I imagine Trump may have communicated with the Russians after he was elected...but being a complete noob didn't know it was OK to do so and lied about it to cover up a non-crime. That's my guess.
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Interesting, so you think the most likely answer is that Trump behaved entirely appropriately but just didn't know any better and lied about it? It's hard to square that with the high level Trump campaign contacts with Russia during the election and reports that Trump directed his son to lie about the contents of the Trump Tower meeting, also during the election. How do you account for this?
 
fskimospy said:
None of the rest of it matters as to whether or not Trump did something here as we're only concerning ourselves with Trump and what criminal actions he or his associates may have taken.
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When certain facts of the matter don't quite align with your narrative....ignore. That's the ticket!
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
When certain facts of the matter don't quite align with your narrative....ignore. That's the ticket!
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You literally just did that by cutting off the rest of my post, haha. Do you have any thoughts on how to square Trump's directing his son to lie about actions during the election if his only 'crime' was talking to the Russians innocently AFTER the election? I'm curious to hear the explanation for that one.

Presumably you are not disputing the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia interfered in our election to help Trump. Whatever else the Russians did, it doesn't relate to Trump's actions, which is what is under discussion here. I'm not sure what the confusion is.
 
fskimospy said:
You literally just did that by cutting off the rest of my post, haha. Do you have any thoughts on how to square Trump's directing his son to lie about actions during the election if his only 'crime' was talking to the Russians innocently AFTER the election? I'm curious to hear the explanation for that one.

Presumably you are not disputing the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia interfered in our election to help Trump. Whatever else the Russians did, it doesn't relate to Trump's actions, which is what is under discussion here. I'm not sure what the confusion is.
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I'm sorry, but I only have only so much time and patience with you. Just pointing out the obvious on the outside chance you're willing to engage in relatively honest discussion regarding the subject.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I'm sorry, but I only have only so much time and patience with you. Just pointing out the obvious on the outside chance you're willing to engage in relatively honest discussion regarding the subject.
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Perhaps you can explain to us all what complexities you think I'm leaving out and how they are relevant to possible criminal actions by Trump or his associates.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
When certain facts of the matter don't quite align with your narrative....ignore. That's the ticket!
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You're projecting here, but it seems off topic. I think what you're looking for is talking about diversion, that would be the accurate projection for this discussion.

Conservatives unable to even get their projection on target.
 
The "nothing burger" is turning up new indictments weekly against people who worked for the Trump 2016 campaign.

Better still is that Mueller has AAA-talent digging into the finances of Trump's empire, which has laundered money for the Russian mob through his properties for decades.

The Special Counsel probe is a gift that keeps on giving. In no other imaginable situation would we have a team of dozens of the best prosecutors and investigators in the entire country all working towards the singular goal of exposing any possible illegal activities by the Trump 2016 campaign, including it's principal who is now the President.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
The objective of the Russians was to create discord in our political system and election process...effectively payback for what Hillary did to Putin in 2011.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153
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While that was ONE objective, another was to help Trump win the election.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.
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Can you explain why Russia's parallel objective to create discord in our political system is relevant to potential criminal activity by Trump and his associates?
 
Meghan54 said:
More than likely another paid "consultant" of the troll factory. Don't you find it interesting that quite a few "conservatives" who'd been gone for months suddenly, en mass, reappear in threads like the school mass shooting thread and just after Mueller indicts a bunch of Russians?

And the rhetoric is identical across multiple forums, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Just a bunch of paid trolls doing their "job."
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I was just saying that to my husband last night. Never before since I started on this forum did I take it seriously that there could be bots or propagandist or whatever they are called on this forum. But the sheer amount of them and the timing has absolutely given me cause to be suspicious. I left a few threads because of them. How long before their rotation moves to another place you think?
 
jpeyton said:
The "nothing burger" is turning up new indictments weekly against people who worked for the Trump 2016 campaign.

Better still is that Mueller has AAA-talent digging into the finances of Trump's empire, which has laundered money for the Russian mob through his properties for decades.

The Special Counsel probe is a gift that keeps on giving. In no other imaginable situation would we have a team of dozens of the best prosecutors and investigators in the entire country all working towards the singular goal of exposing any possible illegal activities by the Trump 2016 campaign, including it's principal who is now the President.
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It's like Mueller has a tourniquet around Trump's neck and he's tightening it a little at a time and then he gives that noose a nice hard twist every once in awhile just to irk the shit out of Trump and keep him running around in circles ranting on about Obama and Hillary.
 
Meghan54 said:
More than likely another paid "consultant" of the troll factory. Don't you find it interesting that quite a few "conservatives" who'd been gone for months suddenly, en mass, reappear in threads like the school mass shooting thread and just after Mueller indicts a bunch of Russians?

And the rhetoric is identical across multiple forums, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Just a bunch of paid trolls doing their "job."
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Yea excellent point.. If we gang up and report some of the obvious ones and gives reason as suspected foreign agent, you think the mods will do little digging? Like are they coming out of known VPNs etc..?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I think they were as surprised as everyone was when Trump got elected.
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Like when Putin and cabinet gave a standing ovation when it happened.. It could simply be because Trump won fair and square and they were just watching an unfixed game for sports... Cause that is how Putin rolls right 😉
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I'm saying that there was a hell of a lot more to the story that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.


I'm totally speculating here...but I imagine Trump may have communicated with the Russians after he was elected...but being a complete noob didn't know it was OK to do so and lied about it to cover up a non-crime. That's my guess.
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It's a poor guess. There's no way. Trump was well aware before winning that Russia was a hot topic. Or are you suggesting he was oblivious to it? That alone would make him too inept to hold the office. He has been nothing but sketchy, elusive at times, blatantly obvious at times, pro Putin, questionable in his moves or lack there of toward Russia, an obstructionist (of the process of justice) at times, outright lied and been fact checked immediately and most of that before AND after his win. You're either lying to yourself or you're lying to us.
 
cytg111 said:
Like when Putin and cabinet gave a standing ovation when it happened.. It could simply be because Trump won fair and square and they were just watching an unfixed game for sports... Cause that is how Putin rolls right 😉
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Putin hated Hillary for what she did to him and his country in 2011. It wasn't so much that he wanted Trump to win...it was that he really, really wanted to see Hillary lose, no matter who ran against her.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I think they were as surprised as everyone was when Trump got elected.
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They were surprised as trump was which is why when trump thought he was going to lose his talking points changed to the system being corrupt, just like the Russians were saying.

Amazing how trumps actions and words coincide with Russia actions and words.

Trump is either a traitor or a useful idiot and his supporters are the same.
 
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