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News Mueller Day - Thursday 4.18.19

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Most everything coming out so far points to the conclusion: The participation's of Trump & Cabal were limited because the Russians were not stupid enough to let them get too deeply involved lest they screw up the works.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
No, but it does state that no body has the right to limit the release of the grand jury information generally, or to Congress specifically. If the grand jury themselves refused, they'd be subpoena'd and held in contempt if they refused again.
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The case I linked earlier discusses GJ secrecy whereas this one talks about the obligation of prosecutors to share exculpatory GJ information with defending lawyers. I'd argue the case I linked is much more relevant to the current situation as Congress isn't playing the role of a defense lawyer here. @fskimospy was making the claim that Congress has an unlimited and absolute right to any information whatsoever in execution of its impeachment authority. Even overlooking the fact that no impeachment of Trump is currently underway thus making the "absolute right" somewhat moot, I stated there still could be some separation of powers issues even if you did presume the right was "absolute" since all it would do is create a Constitutional Crisis if that supposed "absolute right" was asserted and then rebuffed by another branch of government.
 
fskimospy said:
You realize that trying and failing to obstruct justice is the exact same crime as successfully obstructing justice, right?

This report makes it pretty clear that Trump is in serious legal jeopardy when he leaves office. Man did you guys get played, haha.
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Yeah...they seem to think Trump is not guilty of obstruction of justice because his aides refused to follow his orders.
 
One of the interesting things about the Mueller report is that it is showing that a large percentage (nearly all!) of those 'unnamed sources' articles that Right wing members kept deriding turned out to be true, just like we kept saying.
 
SMOGZINN said:
One of the interesting things about the Mueller report is that it is showing that a large percentage (nearly all!) of those 'unnamed sources' articles that Right wing members kept deriding turned out to be true, just like we kept saying.
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Thank you free press. So, you aren't the enemy of the people?
 
Man so many acknowledgements in the report from the admin that all their claims of fake news etc... were complete and utter bullshit. Just countless examples of it.

The response from the right will be... any guesses?

That it's fake news!

I see @SMOGZINN just pointed this out. I'll shut up.
 
SMOGZINN said:
One of the interesting things about the Mueller report is that it is showing that a large percentage (nearly all!) of those 'unnamed sources' articles that Right wing members kept deriding turned out to be true, just like we kept saying.
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Yeah, the press absolutely crushed the reporting on this. Nearly everything they reported on turned out to be correct.

I know they will never do it but conservatives really owe the media an apology.
 
A fraction of stuff that's covered in the obstruction portion wold merit an impeachment probe of any president. I doubt that will happen because giving him a solid target to shoot at for re-election is a bad idea politically.

I'm coming around to the idea that a sitting president should indeed be able to be indicted, that there should be no such thing as "executive privilege", and that the AG should be a non-executive appointed position since Barr is so deeply in Trump's pocket that he can't see daylight. Impeachment is not a practical remedy for the staggering array of crimes a truly bad president could commit.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Man so many acknowledgements in the report from the admin that all their claims of fake news etc... were complete and utter bullshit. Just countless examples of it.

The response from the right will be... any guesses?

That it's fake news!

I see @SMOGZINN just pointed this out. I'll shut up.
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I wonder when they will give a shit about these attempts to undermine our democracy. I guess not unless a Democrat is involved.

Does the Mueller Report exonerate Trump, or is it "The Greatest Political Hoax of all time!"?
 
So what's next on the agenda for congressional over sight. Emoluments, Inaugural slush fund, money laundering? So much crime, so little time.
 
glenn1 said:
Yes, redacted grand jury testimony is literally the only thing that can save us from dictatorship. It’s like @fskimospy is the R2D2 hologram message of Princess Leia from Star Wars, “save me Robert Mueller your grand jury testimony is my only hope.”

Again it should be released but you are quite literally hoping for a political Hail Mary miracle here. Even if released the testimony isn’t going to get Trump out of office.
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Ben Franklin offered two solutions.
 
SMOGZINN said:
One of the interesting things about the Mueller report is that it is showing that a large percentage (nearly all!) of those 'unnamed sources' articles that Right wing members kept deriding turned out to be true, just like we kept saying.
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Yup. Making my way through it right now. For example, the media's anonymously sourced report that Eric Prince met with the Russians in the Saychelles. One media report after another is substantiated in the report.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Yup. Making my way through it right now. For example, the media's anonymously sourced report that Eric Prince met with the Russians in the Saychelles. One media report after another is substantiated in the report.
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We really should go through some of those threads and update them with the evidence.
 
K1052 said:
I'm coming around to the idea that a sitting president should indeed be able to be indicted, that there should be no such thing as "executive privilege", and that the AG should be a non-executive appointed position since Barr is so deeply in Trump's pocket that he can't see daylight. Impeachment is not a practical remedy for the staggering array of crimes a truly bad president could commit.
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I've posted here before the Department of Justice should be a 4th branch of government that had among its responsibilities the investigation of corruption and other malfeasance in the other branches, however this would require a Constitutional amendment. The easier solution is changing the special counsel law so the special counsel reports to SCOTUS rather than AG. That would also moot the relating questions about what material gets released, to whom and when, etc.
 
How is this not aiding and abetting when he knew the game Russia was playing? Chance it was just a joke, right? 🙄Remember at the same time of this, the campaign was giving Russia everything they wanted (e.g. drop sanctions, Ukraine platform change, etc.). We had prior the Trump Tower meeting. The report also seems to indicate significant knowledge of Wikileaks by Trump.

After Trump made public comments on July 27, 2016 expressing hope that Russia would find Clinton’s 30,000 missing emails, Trump “asked individuals affiliated with his Campaign” to find them.

Mueller's framing here sucks:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118936058153062400
 
So at this point buzz lines are:

1) Trump is a sack of shit
2) He tried to obstruct but people around him had enough of a spine to nope out
3) Barr is a lying sack of shit
4) SHS is a lying sack of shit and shredded any iota of credibly she tried to cling to
5) Trump Jr. is too stupid to collude
6) Fake news media was in fact not fake news and was actually pretty spot on
7) There's still a lot of investigations and others things hanging out there to drop yet
8) Republicans will do absolutely nothing
 
Barr is scheduled to appear before Senate Judiciary Committee May 1. Wonder how he is going to explain away all his lying?
 
glenn1 said:
I've posted here before the Department of Justice should be a 4th branch of government that had among its responsibilities the investigation of corruption and other malfeasance in the other branches, however this would require a Constitutional amendment. The easier solution is changing the special counsel law so the special counsel reports to SCOTUS rather than AG. That would also moot the relating questions about what material gets released, to whom and when, etc.
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Making the SC report to SCOTUS would probably encourage more bad political behavior with those appointments so I'm somewhat skeptical of that approach. Leaving the AG as the executive's personal lawyer as we apparently have now isn't a good thing, how to expose the position to some independence with accountability to the law and people is really the question.
 
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