Mubarak to step down

[Analog]

Egypt's Mubarak to step down

Sources tell NBC News that Vice President Suleiman to take over as leader


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41506482/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

 

[her209]

Yup. Posted it in the Egypt protest thread but it probably deserves a thread of its own.

 

[PottedMeat]

so where's he headed - france? saudi arabia? ...mexico?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Egypt's Mubarak to step down

Sources tell NBC News that Vice President Suleiman to take over as leader


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41506482/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Link

Other news has it the the military will take over after he steps down.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I hope the army works quickly to create a transition government encompassing all factions. I don't believe the people will except Suleiman presiding over the transistion, and probably not even a military led transition as they are seen as part of the old regime.

 

[yllus]

The AP news item indicating that Suleiman might be part of the group that will be removed from power is very interesting. Hope it's true.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Is this change we can believe in?

 

[JEDIYoda]

It will continue to be ruled by terrorists after Mubarak leaves.
In a Muslim society you cannot have a government that is totally secular -- the exception is Turkey!?! Fat chance of that happening!
You don`t think for a minute that your beloved Muslim Brotherhood will sit back and do nothing???

 

[JEDIYoda]

I hope the army works quickly to create a transition government encompassing all factions. I don't believe the people will except Suleiman presiding over the transistion, and probably not even a military led transition as they are seen as part of the old regime.

It will continue to be ruled by terrorists after Mubarak leaves....that`s the Muslim way...like it or not!
In a Muslim society you cannot have a government that is totally secular -- the exception is Turkey!! Fat chance of that happening!
You don`t think for a minute that your beloved Muslim Brotherhood will sit back and do nothing???

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It will continue to be ruled by terrorists after Mubarak leaves.
In a Muslim society you cannot have a government that is totally secular -- the exception is Turkey!?! Fat chance of that happening!
You don`t think for a minute that your beloved Muslim Brotherhood will sit back and do nothing???

Do you really need to post this in every thread? You are exactly the same as the people you hate so much.

 

[Paul98]

This is going to be interesting, especially in what the military ends up doing. The next couple days should tell us a lot about what is going to actually happen. If they are on the way to actual elections or if there is something else at work here.

 

[TareX]

Egypt's Mubarak to step down

Sources tell NBC News that Vice President Suleiman to take over as leader


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41506482/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

He's gonna give his speech in 15 mins. It's not the VP who'll take over, but rather, a military council....probably.

Follow it here: http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Mubarak is just a symbol. It's a good step, but people want irreversible constitutional changes, prosecution of corrupt officials -including the Mubaraks, accountability, and justice.

NB - The minster of defense -Tantawi- (nicknamed "the mummy") is more loyal to Mubarak than Mubarak's sons. If there's one authority that will grant Mubarak a pardon and a luxurious exile, it's the military.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The media is so stupid with this whole thing (And Obama as well for that matter). There must be change! Change to what? We don't know! But there must be change! Its the will of the people! What is there will, what do they want? Democracy? We don't know! But there must be change and the people must be heard! What are the people saying? We don't know! Lots of things! We're not sure what they want but they must get it and NOW!

 

[TareX]

It will continue to be ruled by terrorists after Mubarak leaves....that`s the Muslim way...like it or not!
In a Muslim society you cannot have a government that is totally secular -- the exception is Turkey!! Fat chance of that happening!
You don`t think for a minute that your beloved Muslim Brotherhood will sit back and do nothing???

All I read is ***BARK!!***MUSLIMSTERRORISTS***BARK!!***ISLAMTERROR***BARK!!******BARK!!******BARK!!******BARK!!***

 

[sunzt]

Some credit should be given to the administration for pushing Mubarak to relinquish power. Mubarak could easily have executed another Tienanmen if the US wasn't restraining him.

 

[TareX]

Some credit should be given to the administration for pushing Mubarak to relinquish power. Mubarak could easily have executed another Tienanmen if the US wasn't restraining him.

The Egyptian military would never execute this. Not a 0% chance of that happening. I have many friends in the military and they'd rather shoot themselves than do that -let alone the fact the military commanders wouldn't allow such a decision to propagate. The police -on the other hand, is known for rabid corruption and is feverishly hated by the people.

The military will be in charge only temporarily while civil elections and constitutional changes are underway. It's only another step.

 

[iGas]

It is a good start and I hope that Suleiman & the rest of the corrupted cronies leave office as well.

 

[zinfamous]

It will continue to be ruled by terrorists after Mubarak leaves....that`s the Muslim way...like it or not!
In a Muslim society you cannot have a government that is totally secular -- the exception is Turkey!! Fat chance of that happening!
You don`t think for a minute that your beloved Muslim Brotherhood will sit back and do nothing???

do you have Asperger's?

 

[TareX]

Reuters says he won't step down, but will just delegate to his VP.

 

[iGas]

Reuters says he won't step down, but will just delegate to his VP.

OMFG!

He still trying to hang on to power even at this point. I guest that he is afraid of a criminal investigation & trial once he relinquish power.

 

[sunzt]

The media is so stupid with this who thing (And Obama as well for that matter). There must be change! Change to what? We don't know! But there must be change! Its the will of the people! What is there will, what do they want? Democracy? We don't know! But there must be change and the people must be heard! What are the people saying? We don't know! Lots of things! We're not sure what they want but they must get it and NOW!

You really have to look at the possible outcomes from this uprising. The Egyptians made it clear that Mubarak's time as ruler needs to be over. Mubarak had only 2 realistic responses: Step down (either now or later) or Tienanmen - Egypt style. The later choice would cause him and Egypt more harm than the first choice because he would lose support from the west, US financial aid, and cause more anger against him.

The US had to chose Mubarak or the protesters. If the US sided with Mubarak and not ask him to change power then it would only project more hatred and more animosity against the US not only in Egypt, but throughout the Arab world. It would reduce US credibility as a supporter of freedom and democracy. Even if the US supported Mubarak to stay in power the US would never allow him to pull a Tienanmen. Anything but a Tienanmen or Mubarak's rapid ouster would quell the people. So thus, the only rational choice for the US was to support Mubarak's ouster or transition.

Do we know what will take it's place? No. If we sided with Mubarak and then the protesters kick him out would we have more or less influence in the new government that would formed? Definitely less. If we side with the protesters will the US at least be able to say we sided with the supporters of freedom and democracy and thus try to play a positive role with the new government or help shape the new government? Yes. That is the best possible outcome we can hope for right now. The administration did the right thing.

 

[TareX]

OMFG!

He still trying to hang on to power even at this point. I guest that he is afraid of a criminal investigation & trial once he relinquish power.

Yep. They know there will be a 20 million march tomorrow. They're trying to do ANYTHING to stop it from happening -anything that doesn't include stepping down. He will probably announce a few constitutional amendments (that won't include the all-so-imp 88th amendment) and a delegation of authorities to the VP.

 

[TareX]

You really have to look at the possible outcomes from this uprising. The Egyptians made it clear that Mubarak's time as ruler needs to be over. Mubarak had only 2 realistic responses: Step down (either now or later) or Tienanmen - Egypt style. The later choice would cause him and Egypt more harm than the first choice because he would lose support from the west, US financial aid, and cause more anger against him.

The US had to chose Mubarak or the protesters. If the US sided with Mubarak and not ask him to change power then it would only project more hatred and more animosity against the US not only in Egypt, but throughout the Arab world. It would reduce US credibility as a supporter of freedom and democracy. Even if the US supported Mubarak to stay in power the US would never allow him to pull a Tienanmen. Anything but a Tienanmen or Mubarak's rapid ouster would quell the people. So thus, the only rational choice for the US was to support Mubarak's ouster or transition.

Do we know what will take it's place? No. If we sided with Mubarak and the protesters kick him out would we have more or less influence in the new government that would formed? No. If we side with the protesters will the US at least be able to say we sided with the supporters of freedom and democracy and thus try to play a positive role with the new government or help shape the new government? Yes. That is the best possible outcome we can hope for right now. The administration did the right thing.

The US has been handling it in a very coy, yet brilliant way. By giving the protesters support, they were supporting Mubarak's "foreign intrusion" theory he's been feeding the State TV and media. Brilliant.

 

[JSt0rm]

Obama handled this well.

 

[Lemon law]

In my mind, the problem with Mubaraks VP lies in the fact that Sulieman has talked and talked and conceded nothing so far.

And if TareX is correct and Mubarak still retains his title without being a decider, will Sulieman start making concessions or not? If concessions are made and fair and free elections can be promptly scheduled, I can see a Egyptian orderly transition to democracy, if Sulieman still stonewalls, then I can only see the demonstrations continuing after it becomes clear the VP is still stonewalling