MTV and Rap Videos

[Kilgor]

Well, it's not the part about part about "acting black", that's disturbing....it's the part when he calls blacks:

An unfortunate race,
Ignorant,
The worst off in our society,
Fatherless,
Cultureless,
Ambitiousless,
Morally Bankrupt...

I don't know about all blacks, but most rappers fit his description.

 

[Blayze]

Well they play R&B and Rap because thats whats "in" with the teenage/young crowd now.

I can't stand it either, I wished MTV would play some stuff thats actually worth my time.


I don't mind some rap. There are actually a couple songs that I do like, but most of it is just crap. Music about rollin a fatty, and smackin my bizzznitch, while throwing in about 100 words that you can't post on ATOT just doesn't count as music for me.

 

[tkim]

you mean all you guys dont like the

B to-tha L to-tha I to-tha N to-tha G!!??


hahaha..... the funny thing is, most cars in the videos are rented and/or belong to a record label execs and gets recycled to all the videos.

when i see them filming in LA, (jayz's H to tha IZZO was done a mile from my house) they are all rented from 310 motoring. go check out their site. i am sure you have seen them in ALL the videos. ahahaha

 

[boi]

fo shizzle my nizzle

 

[IGBT]

Yea..well ..remember who's buying that "wana be gangsta" crap and pumping all that money into the gold chain/rings/front tooth/nipple ring industry....it's YOU wana be's out there.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Blip Blop is one racist character. I pray for you. I for one like rap. but you really can not put ludacris, nelly, and eminem and those on like them in the rap genre. its all pop music. they are in the same level as a britney or *NSYNC. all of which I listen to. I would prefer that they play more rock music because i can hear hip-hop and R&b on many stations. But they wouldnt play what most people call "real" rock just as they dont play "real" hip hop.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

As a young teenager I dont feel as though I need to wear all those different types of "urban wear" to confirm my "blackness". Blackness to me is strong, independent, educated and ambitious. All of which I strive to be everyday.

 

[Squisher]

I'm too old(45) to comment on the decline on the decline of MTV without sounding like an old fuddyduddy.


Now about that rebellious aggrandizement of a morally bankrupt culture.............it's been done before. People usually grow up and are not so proud of every belief they once held.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Most rock that is shown on MTV sucks anyways...

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: AMDTechGeek
Asking if I dated Jennifer Lopez is just asinine. That is like me asking you if you have dated Pamala Anderson since you hate rock.

What are you talking about? I asked if you were with JLO because P Diddy obviously has to have something good going for him to have been with JLO for a long time. She is maybe one of the hottest entertainers today (and I believe sexiest female as designated by E) as well as talented. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact you don't like rap.

You also said that the rappers trying to be thugs huh... well many of them are from the 'hood, so if you think they are fake, why not go see what happens when you hang out with them for a day in their 'hood or I guess you think they all grew up in middle class suburbia? Why do you think they are all about the bling? Many of them finally got what they and their friends have always wanted from kids. If you listened to interviews you could learn some more, but I suppose you wouldn't read any articles like that. I would like to see well you would do if you were to go chill in Magnolia (supposed to be the worst projects in the US) in New Orleans. As if that wasn't bad enough, New Orleans cops are also supposed to be the most corrupt... and you don't think that would influence your life??

What is your defintion of thug anyways? Would a felon be a thug? An ex-convict? A drug lord? A killer? Or can a rapper be none of those?? You might be surprised how many times some rappers have been to jail.

The one person I know for a fact who wasn't from the hood but MTV considers him a rapper is Will Smith. He isn't a rapper so don't classify him with rap. He is an artist that lives for radio play and TRL to promote his movies. P Diddy may have grown up in middle class, but I cannot remember.

Nice raciest statement there.

I get a lot of practice with white people like you hating on me and my lifestyle all day.

Spac3d

 

[DigDug]

Blip Blop is one racist character. I pray for you. I for one like rap. but you really can not put ludacris, nelly, and eminem and those on like them in the rap genre. its all pop music. they are in the same level as a britney or *NSYNC. all of which I listen to. I would prefer that they play more rock music because i can hear hip-hop and R&b on many stations. But they wouldnt play what most people call "real" rock just as they dont play "real" hip hop.

I'm racist - because I point out the game that's being played? Why don't you ask your friends Dr. Dree, Snoop Dogg, Puffy, Missy Elliott, and the legions of other money-grubbing "musicians" why they need to sell "ghettoness" - is it me, then, who's hurting the black youth, or them, misinforming the kids with garbage varying from constant pot usage, to promiscuity, to gun-toting and gang violence?
See, you speak from two ends - on one hand you want to be treated as individuals, with personalities and ambitions, yet at the same time you conform to mindless and sel-destructive personas put forth by the morally depraved and greedy "I'm-getting-paid"-minded "artists" above. Why all the conformity with the sideways baseball cap, one leg up jumpsuits, or whatever the requirements for the rap persona are now, if you want to be treated as an individual?

"An unfortunate race,
Ignorant,
The worst off in our society,
Fatherless,
Cultureless,
Ambitiousless,
Morally Bankrupt..."

Let's clear up this. You completely misconstrue what I meant. An unfortunate race is one that has been stripped of their originating culture (African), yet not allowed to enter into mainstream. This systematic oppression has resulted in an "Anti-culture", or in ohter words a culturelessness where success is negated, because such traits are the product of the "White" man - therefore, black intellectuals and other sucesses in areas besides the traditional black roles of entertainer and athlete, are considered sell-outs. This is the profound ignorance that I am referring to. Along with the "anti-white" sentiments, as I said above, comes along a rejection of the fundamental necessities of a full life, namely a commitment to a nuclear family (more black men in jail than in college and with 1 out of 4 black men going to jail in their lifetime) and education, do you not think that most black children end up fatherless, and are, quite simply, ambitionless, and morally bankrupt? Now, I am not saying that such characteristics are completely of their ownd doing, and not a product of the systematic oppression, but that is irrelevant to my point. And here i will reitereate my point:
Why is it acceptable to act those who are the worst off in our society, who don't harbor (FOR WHATEVER REASON) the positive characteristics for a full and stable life? Why are we, in a sense, glorifying those destined to incarceration [gansters, drug dealers]? Why are Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and the rest of those who have somehow made it out of the hole they grew up in, continuing to glorify it, and indoctrinate their own black youth even further into the mess?

I know these words may hurt, but it is the sore, sad truth. Blacks have it bad, but these "musicians" are making it worse - and for everyone.

 

[johneetrash]

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Most rock that is shown on MTV sucks anyways...

most?

id say 95-98% of the artists on the radio/mtv/mtv2/vh1 arent that great musically (IMO anyway). what im trying to say is that it'd be hard to find a truly talented artist in the mainstream right now.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

Blip Blop is one racist character. I pray for you. I for one like rap. but you really can not put ludacris, nelly, and eminem and those on like them in the rap genre. its all pop music. they are in the same level as a britney or *NSYNC. all of which I listen to. I would prefer that they play more rock music because i can hear hip-hop and R&b on many stations. But they wouldnt play what most people call "real" rock just as they dont play "real" hip hop.

I'm racist - because I point out the game that's being played? Why don't you ask your friends Dr. Dree, Snoop Dogg, Puffy, Missy Elliott, and the legions of other money-grubbing "musicians" why they need to sell "ghettoness" - is it me, then, who's hurting the black youth, or them, misinforming the kids with garbage varying from constant pot usage, to promiscuity, to gun-toting and gang violence?
See, you speak from two ends - on one hand you want to be treated as individuals, with personalities and ambitions, yet at the same time you conform to mindless and sel-destructive personas put forth by the morally depraved and greedy "I'm-getting-paid"-minded "artists" above. Why all the conformity with the sideways baseball cap, one leg up jumpsuits, or whatever the requirements for the rap persona are now, if you want to be treated as an individual?

"An unfortunate race,
Ignorant,
The worst off in our society,
Fatherless,
Cultureless,
Ambitiousless,
Morally Bankrupt..."

Let's clear up this. You completely misconstrue what I meant. An unfortunate race is one that has been stripped of their originating culture (African), yet not allowed to enter into mainstream. This systematic oppression has resulted in an "Anti-culture", or in ohter words a culturelessness where success is negated, because such traits are the product of the "White" man - therefore, black intellectuals and other sucesses in areas besides the traditional black roles of entertainer and athlete, are considered sell-outs. This is the profound ignorance that I am referring to. Along with the "anti-white" sentiments, as I said above, comes along a rejection of the fundamental necessities of a full life, namely a commitment to a nuclear family (more black men in jail than in college and with 1 out of 4 black men going to jail in their lifetime) and education, do you not think that most black children end up fatherless, and are, quite simply, ambitionless, and morally bankrupt? Now, I am not saying that such characteristics are completely of their ownd doing, and not a product of the systematic oppression, but that is irrelevant to my point. And here i will reitereate my point:
Why is it acceptable to act those who are the worst off in our society, who don't harbor (FOR WHATEVER REASON) the positive characteristics for a full and stable life? Why are we, in a sense, glorifying those destined to incarceration [gansters, drug dealers]? Why are Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and the rest of those who have somehow made it out of the hole they grew up in, continuing to glorify it, and indoctrinate their own black youth even further into the mess?

I know these words may hurt, but it is the sore, sad truth. Blacks have it bad, but these "musicians" are making it worse - and for everyone.

You're right. I may have misunderstood what u were trying to get at. But from what I understand you are on the outside looking in and I see how u can come to such conclusions. I for one do not conform to all of the things u talked about. I may have my oversized jerseys or baggy jeans. But that's beacause I like them. And personally I think its the other way around. They go back to the hood and see what the real hustlers are doing and put it out on their music. They try to keep their "street credibility". So black kids arent drones that emulate the rappers. They more influence the white kids and asian kids that try to emulate blacks. Why? cause they are buying the music. Its not hurting black people too much.

Yes there is a problem with anti-intellectualism with black people. Where I'm from people think it's something wrong with you if u want to read a book or something. I am totally a victim of many factors that have preordained me to be mediocre.

The "rappers" you speak of may be glorified but I don't think they indoctrine the youth into doing waht they are doing. no one is gonna listen to a rap song and then decide to become a gangster. They do it cause 90% of their peers in school are doing it, their momma and daddy, uncles, brothers, sisters are doing it. So my point is to change the youth now u have to change everyone around them and that is pretty much hopeless. We can only hope to change the new genreation coming up (which includes me). What we as a people need to do is enlighten the young kids so when they become adults they can gear their kids toward something better. When I get out of school that will be one of my main goals, to give back to the community and show them that they can do it and that its all right to branch out and look outside the box.


Sorry dude for callin you racist. This is probably not real clear but if you want me to clarify something just holla at me.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

To add to my response, I feel as though you picked out the wrong people. you included p. diddy and missy both of which are doing good things in the industry. he also has his own label that has branched off and may become a major label. He is a very wise and astute businessman that I look up to. And missy? She is far from conforming to "ghettoness". She has to be one of the most unique and talented hip-hop and r&b artists around.

 

[Red Dawn]

Rap sucks. The reason it is so popular is bercause the pasty white kiddies in the Suburbs try to be all bad by listening and emulating dickheads like Snoop Doggy Poop. It's not the Homies who are buying the CD's, it's the White and the Asian Wannabe's.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Rap sucks. The reason it is so popular is bercause the pasty white kiddies in the Suburbs try to be all bad by listening and emulating dickheads like Snoop Doggy Poop. It's not the Homies who are buying the CD's, it's the White and the Asian Wannabe's.

Dunno about the last part (haven't seen the stats, but I'd suspect you're right), but I definitely agree with the first part, as stated earlier. (btw, I love that one guy's sig, which says you can't spell crap without rap)

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
To add to my response, I feel as though you picked out the wrong people. you included p. diddy and missy both of which are doing good things in the industry. he also has his own label that has branched off and may become a major label. He is a very wise and astute businessman that I look up to. And missy? She is far from conforming to "ghettoness". She has to be one of the most unique and talented hip-hop and r&b artists around.

yeah, p.diddy is not the guy to pick on.


he went to college, he isnt even a gangster. the guy is just playing the game and making tons of money doing it. same with dre. dre was no gangster. those 2 are very smart guys.

 

[Desslok]

I get a lot of practice with white people like you hating on me and my lifestyle all day

What the hell are you talking about? You are stereotyping me now after two forum responses? I don't hate you! I could in fact care less about what you do or where you live. Get that chip off your shoulder and grow up, not all white people are narrow minded/racist and to think so is just showing how ignorant you truely are.