MSNBC-Melissa Harris-Perry says "kids belong to whole communities"

[nextJin]

http://communities.washingtontimes....nbc-our-kids-should-belong-state-not-parents/

This is going to go over well here, I want to hear folks defend this little gem.

"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we’ve always had a private notion of children, your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven’t had a very collective notion of these are our children.

So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.

Once it’s everybody’s responsibility and not just the household’s we start making better investments."

This is hilarious because if this is how the left wants to play it then child support should be the same way.

Title changed to actual quote.
admin allisolm

Title was originally labeled correctly, the article was changed at a later date.
notanadmin nextJin


No. The headline was changed, not the article, and by the editors rather than the writer. Presumably it was changed because she never spoke the words quoted in the article title and in your title. Both have been corrected.
last word admin allisolm

 

[waggy]

irony. a black saying the state should own the kids...

 

[zsdersw]

Surprising. It's not often that communists/socialists are so blatantly obvious about their true goals.

 

[nehalem256]

The left only wants kids to belong the state in terms of having the state be responsible for feeding, clothing, housing, etc the children.

If kids really belonged to the state we would never allow teenagers, octomom, etc to be allow to raise children.

 

[monovillage]

"It takes a village................"

 

[zsdersw]

"It takes a village................"

That's quite different. Hillary never was and still isn't so naive to think, believe, and say anything like what Ms. Harris-Perry did.

 

[sixone]

Wouldn't ownership of any person by the state constitute slavery?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Kids don't belong to anyone.

Her point is that society has an interest in ensuring that kids are taken care of properly, because they cannot do so themselves. Usually parents play this role, but when they fail at it, the community has to step in and take over.

 

[SheHateMe]

I think you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

Kids don't belong to anyone.

Her point is that society has an interest in ensuring that kids are taken care of properly, because they cannot do so themselves. Usually parents play this role, but when they fail at it, the community has to step in and take over.

This is how I understood it.

But she's talking about education, not feeding people's kids.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I think you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

It's so much more entertaining for most of the people in P&N to froth at the mouth over something rather than try to actually understand it.

 

[nehalem256]

Kids don't belong to anyone.

Her point is that society has an interest in ensuring that kids are taken care of properly, because they cannot do so themselves. Usually parents play this role, but when they fail at it, the community has to step in and take over.

Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to make sure that only responsible people have children?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I've never heard of her.

It's clear from that quote that she's not saying children should "owned" by "the State" (communities =/= "the State," and saying that kids "belong to" a community is not the same as saying they are "owned by" one). I don't agree with the sentiment that parents are not responsible for parenting their own children, but that's not really what she's saying. The sentiment that communities should, in their own self-interest, serve as a backstop to provide guidance and leadership to children whose families are not doing so (which is what she seems to be saying) is one that I think few reasonable people could disagree with.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

irony. a black saying the state should own the kids...

"A black"?

 

[nehalem256]

I've never heard of her.

It's clear from that quote that she's not saying children belong to "the State" (communities =/= "the State"), but I don't agree with the sentiment that parents are not responsible for parenting their own children. If what she's saying is that communities should, in their own self-interest, serve as a backstop to provide guidance and leadership to children whose families are not doing so, that I can agree with.

And this is why for centuries communities have had sensible standards for when having kids was acceptable (ie within marriage).

Sounds like what she is saying is that the left-wing destruction of patriarchal morality is an abject failure for the raising of children.

 

[zsdersw]

"Break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families ..."

^^ The above, as said by Ms. Harris-Perry, does not suggest or have the same connotation as this:

Her point is that society has an interest in ensuring that kids are taken care of properly, because they cannot do so themselves. Usually parents play this role, but when they fail at it, the community has to step in and take over.

If it is supposed to, she chose some incredibly stupid words to phrase the issue.

 

[monovillage]

It's so much more entertaining for most of the people in P&N to froth at the mouth over something rather than try to actually understand it.

It's so much more entertaining to see the apologists for the extreme left try to rationalize their positions.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to make sure that only responsible people have children?

The sensible thing would be to ban you from this forum for your incessant Johnny-one-note thread derailing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

"Break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families ..."

^^ The above, as said by Ms. Harris-Perry, does not mean or have the same connotation as this:



If it does, she chose some incredibly stupid words to phrase the issue.

You should watch the actual clip. I initially posted before watching it, and had to edit my post. The clip itself is something only a person with a pre-loaded agenda could possibly be upset by. That Washington Times article, like the OP, totally mischaracterizes the video to make her sound foolish.

 

[SheHateMe]

"Break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families ..."

^^ The above, as said by Ms. Harris-Perry, does not mean or have the same connotation as this:

Of course, that's what happens when you take someone's comments out of context. :awe:

 

[waggy]

"A black"?

yeah? ohh wait you one that claims anyone useing color to describe someone is raciest.

continue on then.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

If it is supposed to, she chose some incredibly stupid words to phrase the issue.

What's "incredibly stupid" is expecting the reactionary brain-dead asshats in this forum to actually read something and evaluate it in a reasonable manner.

 

[SheHateMe]

yeah? ohh wait you one that claims anyone useing color to describe someone is raciest.

continue on then.

He has a problem with your word choice. He didn't say you were racist.
Why did you call her "a black"? What is that?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

yeah? ohh wait you one that claims anyone useing color to describe someone is raciest.

continue on then.

I never said any such thing. I use the word "black" frequently. "A black," though, makes you sound like Archie Bunker or worse. Of course, I also know how to spell "using," and "racist," so overall you and I don't have much in common when it comes to using the English language.

 

[waggy]

Kids don't belong to anyone.

Her point is that society has an interest in ensuring that kids are taken care of properly, because they cannot do so themselves. Usually parents play this role, but when they fail at it, the community has to step in and take over.

her point was not made very well. but yes that is what she is saying.

same with hillary's "it takes a village" comment. to a extent they are right.

A parent can raise a healthy well adjusted kid. But the child is far better served with "extended family". Family friends fill in perspective, knowledge etc that we do not have.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

It was made perfectly well to those with an IQ over room temperature.

A point isn't poorly made just because the right-wing outrage machine does what it always does.