MSNBC is reporting a HUGE ammo dump discovered...possible chemical munitions.

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: apoppin

Marines discover vast ammunition cache

It is STILL on the MSNBC site but I can't link to it from THIS page:
1/3rd down the page under "IRAQ: LATEST DEVELOPMENTS"

HELP FIND IT!

There is a video covering this exact incident on the middle left of that page you linked to..

Thanks!

I am stuck on dial-up . . . can someone give a summary? (for the rest of us "unfortunates").

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: apoppin

Marines discover vast ammunition cache

It is STILL on the MSNBC site but I can't link to it from THIS page:
1/3rd down the page under "IRAQ: LATEST DEVELOPMENTS"

HELP FIND IT!

There is a video covering this exact incident on the middle left of that page you linked to..

Thanks!

I am stuck on dial-up . . . can someone give a summary? (for the rest of us "unfortunates").

It has THREE speed setting on it... 28k...56k...100k and is 4 minutes long

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: apoppin

Marines discover vast ammunition cache

It is STILL on the MSNBC site but I can't link to it from THIS page:
1/3rd down the page under "IRAQ: LATEST DEVELOPMENTS"

HELP FIND IT!

There is a video covering this exact incident on the middle left of that page you linked to..

Thanks!

I am stuck on dial-up . . . can someone give a summary? (for the rest of us "unfortunates").

It has THREE speed setting on it... 28k...56k...100k and is 4 minutes long

I don't think you "get it". I am connecting now and will view this after lunch.

 

[Insane3D]

They just showed the footage again. It is an MSNBC exclusive, and they have not posted it on their website yet for whatever reason. They showed the cannisters in question which are painted grey and have syryllic(sp?) lettering. The military analysts who were talking about them said chemical munitions are usually painted grey. I assure you this is not a hoax or a media hype report. They are showing VIDEO of the bunkers. As soon as they freakin post it, I will post it here.

Edit:

They have a reporter on scene now, and they are showing the video again. The marines are saying there is more ammo there than at both of the main marine bases in the US combined... They are interviewing the commander from the marines now. It is located near a town called Diwanya or something..

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
They just showed the footage again. It is an MSNBC exclusive, and they have not posted it on their website yet for whatever reason. They showed the cannisters in question which are painted grey and have syryllic(sp?) lettering. The military analysts who were talking about them said chemical munitions are usually painted grey. I assure you this is not a hoax or a media hype report. They are showing VIDEO of the bunkers. As soon as they freakin post it, I will post it here.

Edit:

They have a reporter on scene now, and they are showing the video again. The marines are saying there is more ammo there than at both of the main marine bases in the US combined... They are interviewing the commander from the marines now. It is located near a town called Diwanya or something..

This could take some time to inventory.

 

[Insane3D]

Yeah, that is what they are reporting. They just showed video of the interior of one bunker and it was full of TONS of ammo. There are 119 more buildings just like it. The Marine commander still looked a bit shocked at the sheer size of it. The most intersting stuff they are showing is the grey cannisters with three fill plugs and a nozzle attachement for attaching something like a hose. The weird part is no one seems to have ever seen these before, and it has the military and munition analysts stumped.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
The most intersting stuff they are showing is the grey cannisters with three fill plugs and a nozzle attachement for attaching something like a hose.

Maybe it's just the bong that their information minister takes hits from before he goes on Iraqi TV and spouts his nonsense.

 

[Superdoopercooper]

I'm EXTREMELY grateful that the Iraqi military did not use this stuff against our troops (conventional or not... that is a BOATload of stuff). But it makes me wonder: why didn't they? If I had that much ammo at my disposal, I'd be lighting everything up... even the plant life and livestock.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Superdoopercooper
I'm EXTREMELY grateful that the Iraqi military did not use this stuff against our troops (conventional or not... that is a BOATload of stuff). But it makes me wonder: why didn't they? If I had that much ammo at my disposal, I'd be lighting everything up... even the plant life and livestock.

Lets hope this doesnt happen.

 

[MadRat]

Try Here

Weapons uncovered
A U.S. officer with the 2nd Battalion, 8th Regiment Marines examines tank rounds kept in a case marked "GHQ Jordan Armed Forces" at an abandoned Iraqi military complex south of the city of Diwaniya in central Iraq. The complex has more than 120 buildings, most of them housing different types of weapons, from bullets to missiles and mines.

 

[Morph]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Try Here

Weapons uncovered
A U.S. officer with the 2nd Battalion, 8th Regiment Marines examines tank rounds kept in a case marked "GHQ Jordan Armed Forces" at an abandoned Iraqi military complex south of the city of Diwaniya in central Iraq. The complex has more than 120 buildings, most of them housing different types of weapons, from bullets to missiles and mines.

Hmm, the boxes are marked in English. Is this some stuff that we sold them back in the day? Anyway, I fail to see what the big deal here is... just a stockpile of conventional weapons.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: MadRat
Try Here

Weapons uncovered
A U.S. officer with the 2nd Battalion, 8th Regiment Marines examines tank rounds kept in a case marked "GHQ Jordan Armed Forces" at an abandoned Iraqi military complex south of the city of Diwaniya in central Iraq. The complex has more than 120 buildings, most of them housing different types of weapons, from bullets to missiles and mines.

Hmm, the boxes are marked in English. Is this some stuff that we sold them back in the day? Anyway, I fail to see what the big deal here is... just a stockpile of conventional weapons.

Um.... English is the most common language utilized in matters dealing with international commerce. Many arms exporters from various countries label weapons and ammunition in two or more languages, with English as one of them.

 

[conjur]

Watching one of the news networks, the reporter was interviewing an American officer who was there (presumably, to oversee things) and he said normally munitions dumps are destroyed but the sheer size of this place (more than Camp LeJeune and Camp Doha put together) that if it was destroyed, someone in Kuwait would feel their fillings rattling in their teeth.

But, the item of importance in the fact the munitions were found is that they weren't being used. The Iraqi troops were just fleeing (or were dead) and were not resisting. And as I continued watching other news networks there is a general consensus that the remaining Republican Guard troops are disbursing, heading home or fleeing.

Oh, there was one other item the reporter mentioned and that was that some of the munitions were marked in Cyrillic and were grey in color. Normal munitions are green in color and chemical munitions were typically grey. Sooo....but I'm not holding my breath until they confirm either way.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: MadRat
Try Here

Weapons uncovered
A U.S. officer with the 2nd Battalion, 8th Regiment Marines examines tank rounds kept in a case marked "GHQ Jordan Armed Forces" at an abandoned Iraqi military complex south of the city of Diwaniya in central Iraq. The complex has more than 120 buildings, most of them housing different types of weapons, from bullets to missiles and mines.

Hmm, the boxes are marked in English. Is this some stuff that we sold them back in the day? Anyway, I fail to see what the big deal here is... just a stockpile of conventional weapons.

I guess you fail to acknowledge the fact that they also have found the grey canisters that are stumping the hell out of weapons analysts right now also? You know, with the syrillic letters, grey paint, and the nozzles on them? But I'm sure they were used to be filled with Glade scented oil to freshen the air as they explode, definitely not for chemical or biological use.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: MadRat
Try Here

Weapons uncovered
A U.S. officer with the 2nd Battalion, 8th Regiment Marines examines tank rounds kept in a case marked "GHQ Jordan Armed Forces" at an abandoned Iraqi military complex south of the city of Diwaniya in central Iraq. The complex has more than 120 buildings, most of them housing different types of weapons, from bullets to missiles and mines.

Hmm, the boxes are marked in English. Is this some stuff that we sold them back in the day? Anyway, I fail to see what the big deal here is... just a stockpile of conventional weapons.

They appear to be not all conventional.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01#BODY

Marines seized a massive cache of ammunition outside of Diwaniyah, about 100 miles south of Baghdad, said NBC?s Kerry Sanders, who is traveling with another battalion of Marines. The Marines found 120 bunkers full of land mines, cannons, anti-personnel mines and anti-armored mines. Also discovered in the bunkers was what appeared to be a chemical sprayer, with Cyrillic markings, capable of being attached to the wing of an aircraft.

In addition, MSNBC this morning (PST) has been running a video report submitted by their embedded reporter in the field with the 2nd battalion, 8th Marines which shows the complex, along with that sprayer/dispenser device mentioned, and some artillery shells with filler holes, which appear designed for chemical use. This report is only being run on MSNBC, likely because its from the field and there are no reporters from other networks available.

I think you so badly want the US to fail that you will refuse to see evidence when it's thrown in your face. Remember that the US has only been in Iraq for two weeks, and thus has barely begun to scratch the surface of what secrets may be there, so more will come out.

 

[Morph]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

In addition, MSNBC this morning (PST) has been running a video report submitted by their embedded reporter in the field with the 2nd battalion, 8th Marines which shows the complex, along with that sprayer/dispenser device mentioned, and some artillery shells with filler holes, which appear designed for chemical use. This report is only being run on MSNBC, likely because its from the field and there are no reporters from other networks available.

I think you so badly want the US to fail that you will refuse to see evidence when it's thrown in your face. Remember that the US has only been in Iraq for two weeks, and thus has barely begun to scratch the surface of what secrets may be there, so more will come out.

Yeah, but they've already searched all their best intelligence leads and this is all they've come up with. Some old equipment that might be used for chemical weapons. The stuff has probably been buried in storage for many years. Let me know when they find the actual weapons-grade chemicals or biologicals, ok?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

In addition, MSNBC this morning (PST) has been running a video report submitted by their embedded reporter in the field with the 2nd battalion, 8th Marines which shows the complex, along with that sprayer/dispenser device mentioned, and some artillery shells with filler holes, which appear designed for chemical use. This report is only being run on MSNBC, likely because its from the field and there are no reporters from other networks available.

I think you so badly want the US to fail that you will refuse to see evidence when it's thrown in your face. Remember that the US has only been in Iraq for two weeks, and thus has barely begun to scratch the surface of what secrets may be there, so more will come out.

Yeah, but they've already searched all their best intelligence leads and this is all they've come up with. Some old equipment that might be used for chemical weapons. The stuff has probably been buried in storage for many years. Let me know when they find the actual weapons-grade chemicals or biologicals, ok?

You're so intimately familiar with the intelligence community, hmm? It makes more sense that the best intelligence leads have yet to be discovered and tapped, and we'll see more and more results as time goes on.

 

[Krugger]

just heard on the (ABC) news that they found tubs of chemicals somewhere in Iraq. First two field test were POSITIVE for chemical weapons, third and most conclusive test being conducted now, will know for sure in a few hours.
-Krugger

 

[Alistar7]

I'm suprised there isn't more attention being given to the terrorist camp where recipes and other evindence was found, the group was directly linked to al-queda. Finding Al-Queda AND WMD in the SAME spot should count for something..

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm suprised there isn't more attention being given to the terrorist camp where recipes and other evindence was found, the group was directly linked to al-queda. Finding Al-Queda AND WMD in the SAME spot should count for something..

IIRC, that camp was not in an area that was controlled by Saddam. IF there is a terrorist camp in Iraq it does not immediately mean that Saddam is linked to it by default...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm suprised there isn't more attention being given to the terrorist camp where recipes and other evindence was found, the group was directly linked to al-queda. Finding Al-Queda AND WMD in the SAME spot should count for something..

IIRC, that camp was not in an area that was controlled by Saddam. IF there is a terrorist camp in Iraq it does not immediately mean that Saddam is linked to it by default...

Even if Saddam did not control it, he was not allowing anyone access to it.

 

[Insane3D]

If it was in an area of Iraq that was not controlled by his regime, how could he decide to allow or not allow access to it?

The 9/11 terrorists did most of their planning and training in the US...does that mean we have a connection to them?

I feel I should add that I am not so naive as to think that Saddam had no links to any terrorism as he regularly made contributions to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as a reward for their "heroism"..

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm suprised there isn't more attention being given to the terrorist camp where recipes and other evindence was found, the group was directly linked to al-queda. Finding Al-Queda AND WMD in the SAME spot should count for something..

IIRC, that camp was not in an area that was controlled by Saddam. IF there is a terrorist camp in Iraq it does not immediately mean that Saddam is linked to it by default...

Iraiq forces were holding defensive positions close to the complex. Beside, this camp had been there before Saddam lost power because of the no-fly zone. They also captured a smaller terrorist training camp about 15 miles south east of Baghdad, with obstacle course and a passenger airliner.

If Saddam is so out of control he can have Al-Queda in his own country playing with WMD and not even know, he needs to be removed anyway, if only so that we can eliminate two problems at once.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
If it was in an area of Iraq that was not controlled by his regime, how could he decide to allow or not allow access to it?

The 9/11 terrorists did most of their planning and training in the US...does that mean we have a connection to them?

I feel I should add that I am not so naive as to think that Saddam had no links to any terrorism as he regularly made contributions to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as a reward for their "heroism"..

There is much greater freedom here that allows for people like that to mix in with everyone else, that's not the case in Iraq, their citizens hardly have the privacy or freedom of movement.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I'm suprised there isn't more attention being given to the terrorist camp where recipes and other evindence was found, the group was directly linked to al-queda. Finding Al-Queda AND WMD in the SAME spot should count for something..

IIRC, that camp was not in an area that was controlled by Saddam. IF there is a terrorist camp in Iraq it does not immediately mean that Saddam is linked to it by default...

Iraiq forces were holding defensive positions close to the complex. Beside, this camp had been there before Saddam lost power because of the no-fly zone. They also captured a smaller terrorist training camp about 15 miles south east of Baghdad, with obstacle course and a passenger airliner.

If Saddam is so out of control he can have Al-Queda in his own country playing with WMD and not even know, he needs to be removed anyway, if only so that we can eliminate two problems at once.

Ok, first of all, I didn't say he didn't know....of course he did. He probably just overlooked it since they were not bothering him or his regime at all. I'm just trying to point out that even though there is a terrorist camp in his country does not mean by default he is linked to them.