MSNBC : Ashcroft wants Patriot Act widened
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Which might take a long...... long...... time..... I guess? I wish I was a member of congress......
150K a year plus expenses and staff, automatic COLA, great perks, great healthcare, and flexible work hours . . . how can a company afford to pay time and a half for part-time work?
Michael
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I wasn't so sure about Ashcroft being confirmed in his position when it was first being debated, but now I find the reaction of people I almost never agree with to anything he says priceless. I wish there were 5 more like him so I could enjoy 5 X the entertainment.
Michael
Michael
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Yeah, because your entertainment is way more important than civil liberties...
Rumsfield probably finds this to be far more entertaining than mikey does.
CADsortaGUY
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After 9/11 the Patriot Act is absolutely necessary. With WMD and terrorists everywhere, how can we guard ourselves? Almost evry country can harbor terrorism. We must protect ourselves! The government is doing it well and I hope they won't stop establishing order in the world.
It's good that agencies are looking at people more closely, so that people will think twice before doing bad things. This administration works so hard to ensure America's future. I am favorable to even more aggressive policies, as it's absolutely to protect the citizens interest.
It's good that agencies are looking at people more closely, so that people will think twice before doing bad things. This administration works so hard to ensure America's future. I am favorable to even more aggressive policies, as it's absolutely to protect the citizens interest.
AAjax
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I too thin k this is now getting out of hand. We dont need more laws to restrict us, we need better enforcement of the laws that are there allready.
Oh, btw were they succesfull in making the patriot act permanent? That would suck.
Im all for bagging terrorists, but I also am for civil liberties.
A wise and balding man once said "he who would sacrifice liberty for a bit of temporary saftey deserves niether"
Oh, btw were they succesfull in making the patriot act permanent? That would suck.
Im all for bagging terrorists, but I also am for civil liberties.
A wise and balding man once said "he who would sacrifice liberty for a bit of temporary saftey deserves niether"
Vic
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That's because the current losses in civil liberties are selective, which you must know because your statement implied it. Your statement also demonstrated extremely callous disregard for the rights of others, combined with the naivete that you need never worry about protecting your own freedoms.
Ahhh...classic. If it doesn't affect me, who cares. Nice attitude you've got there.. Why don't you have some wine and celebrate with yourself...make sure it's not French though, you need to keep up your plan to take down the French government with your boycott..
While the patriot act is arguably beneficial in the short run, in the long run the consequences of living in a constant state of fear when combined with increased government security will drastically decrease the amount of personal freedom that you are able to enjoy in this country to a limited (and shrinking) degree right now. This when combined with the natural greediness and selfishness of all humans could eventually become a breeding ground for tyrants and "big brothers" who conduct their viscious deeds behind a thick veil of secrecy and for your "security". Less security in the short run is not greater than civil libreties in the long run. And has never been. 9/11 was a tragedy but the destruction of one of the founding principles of this nation would be an even greater one.
Stop being entertained and start thinking. I doubt that you'll be laughing when an out of control government keeps tabs on everything you do and every human being in the US is tagged like some mindless bovine and tracked like a rat in a maze :disgust:
Mean MrMustard
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Yes you have. Just because you don't use them, doesn't mean you don't have them. I haven't used them so therefore you don't miss them. Great thinking, try harder next time.
I nominate that post "most well-thought out post of the week"
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
It won't get to that point. People will only take so much. The gov't as we know it will find itself on deaths door if things such as you posted start to materialize. The problem though is where do we as a people draw the line. I feel we are closer to that line than ever
CkG
Michael
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Please list and explain the civil liberties that I have lost. It is an empty claim. I actually spent a fair amount of time looking into it when the first gnashing of teeth started.
I love you guys, your opinion is right and mine is wrong.
I haven't lost anything.
Michael
I love you guys, your opinion is right and mine is wrong.
I haven't lost anything.
Michael
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