MSI X58 Pro, SuperTalent 6GB, Lockup!

[DuderB]

Hello, system is locking up, curious what you guys are using for X58 BIOS settings.

I recently sold my Core 2 E8500 for a decent amount and decided I would upgrade to i7. Found a guy locally that would come close to Newegg's prices so went for it. (memory brand was his suggestion)

mobo: MSI X58 Pro
mem: SuperTalent WA133UX6G8 3x2GB 1333mhz
proc: 920
HDD: 74gb raptors RAID 0
PS: Rosewill RG530-2 530W
Case: Lian-Li A05B
Video: Asus 4850

I meticulously put the system together. The system would power on, I could get the RAID configured and could change BIOS settings but it would lockup. Sometimes during POST and usually after initially loading the Vista install files. After the lockup it would reboot on its own a few times or I would have to clear the CMOS and it would give me an error saying something about my overclock not being stable. I didn't overclock! and all I would have changed is the IDE to RAID and maybe some other minor changes!

Here's some of the troubleshooting I did:

-I upgraded the BIOS from 7.0 to latest 7.1
-Tried each stick separately in the A0 slot (correct slot for single stick)
-Tried a different video card (I had changed the thermal paste to Arctic Silver on my 4850 and wanted to make sure that wasn't overheating or something)
-Tried matching the timing for the memory to what SuperTalent advertises and also manually set the DDR voltage to 1.5v

It will boot and work fine if I change the multiplier of the memory to the lowest, 3, which puts the memory at 800mhz. So now I have my local guy ordering OCZ memory and planning on returning the SuperTalent. Could it be that something isn't kosher in with the default BIOS settings?

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

DDR3 1333 run at 667MHz since it is multiplied by 2. Leave everything set to AUTO for the ram. DDR3 likewise runs at 800MHz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddr3

 

[DuderB]

Everything was on auto/default from the start. Its when I decrease what auto shows that I get it to boot. When on Auto it puts the 'Memory Ratio' to 5.

I tried changing the 'Memory Ratio' from the lowest 3 to 4. See screen shots:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...fwSY/s720/Img00043.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...qGjY/s720/Img00044.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...8LAg/s720/Img00045.jpg
Got the same result, locked up when trying to boot to windows.

Change the 'Memory Ratio' back to 3 and it boots and runs fine:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...OUhs/s720/Img00046.jpg

Here are the options for memory timings:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...CmKE/s720/Img00047.jpg

and what it says the 'SPD Information' is:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...5ZrM/s720/Img00048.jpg

Could the power supply be the problem?
Here are the specs:
http://www.rosewill.com/produc...1218/productDetail.htm

Link to Specs of PS on Newegg's site:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817182160

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Nah I highly doubt it is your power supply. I guess just go for the OCZ.

 

[DuderB]

Looks like you have a similar setup as mine. What do you have set in your BIOS? Your memory timings, ratio, all set to auto? Overclock anything at all?

Also do you have the power supply plugged into all 24 pins of the 24-pin connector and all 8 pins of the 8-pin power connectors on the mobo?

Oh and is your IOH temp 70+ degrees Celcius?

BIOS shot of system temps

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: DuderB
Looks like you have a similar setup as mine. What do you have set in your BIOS? Your memory timings, ratio, all set to auto? Overclock anything at all?

Also do you have the power supply plugged into all 24 pins of the 24-pin connector and all 8 pins of the 8-pin power connectors on the mobo?

Oh and is your IOH temp 70+ degrees Celcius?

BIOS shot of system temps

Everything is set to AUTO, nothing is overclocked. Yes, everything is connected. Let me check my IOH.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

IOH is at 65C.

 

[harbin]

I had SuperTalent 1333 and x58 pro before and I use 2 ST3500410AS in raid 0. I don't have problem oc it to 4g+. I am guessing you still have to play with RAM to get it work. Try oc to 4g and set the RAM at 1600 with8-8-8-24 72, manually set the Voltage of Ram at 1.62 and Vcore at 1.35v ( can use much lower if you have a good cpu).

 

[DuderB]

I had SuperTalent 1333 and x58 pro before and I use 2 ST3500410AS in raid 0. I don't have problem oc it to 4g+. I am guessing you still have to play with RAM to get it work. Try oc to 4g and set the RAM at 1600 with8-8-8-24 72, manually set the Voltage of Ram at 1.62 and Vcore at 1.35v ( can use much lower if you have a good cpu).

What are you changing to OC the processor? QPI? Base clock?
For the memory timings where are you putting 72?

 

[DuderB]

CPU-Z memory tab shot

CPU-Z SPD tab shot

Here is what I tried:

Memory Ratio: 5
CL: 8
tRCD: 9
tRP: 9
tRAS: 25
DRAM Voltage: 1.5

Memory Ratio: 5
CL: 8
tRCD: 8
tRP: 8
tRAS: 24
DRAM Voltage: 1.55

Memory Ratio: 5
CL: 9
tRCD: 9
tRP: 9
tRAS: 25
DRAM Voltage: 1.6

Memory Ratio: 5
CL: 9
tRCD: 9
tRP: 9
tRAS: 25
DRAM Voltage: 1.62

None of those settings would get past POST. I think I'll wait on the OCZ memory.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: DuderB
It will boot and work fine if I change the multiplier of the memory to the lowest, 3, which puts the memory at 800mhz.

I haven't used the MSI X58 Pro, but have used the MSI X58 Platinum SLI and MSI 58 Eclipse. Both of those boards are really picky about RAM and exhibited some of the same symptoms such as not POSTing on certain memory multipliers and being unstable at rated memory speeds. Other RAM would work fine, and the RAM that didn't would work fine on other boards (Asus P6T). You basically just have to find RAM that the board likes. FWIW Corsair 6GB 1333 and 1600 RAM worked on my test boards.

 

[harbin]

There is a hardware mod for MSI x58 pro, which is not there in Plat and Eclipse. This mod supposedly greatly enhances RAM compatibility and stabilizes memory controller and hence increases the oc.

 

[harbin]

Originally posted by: DuderB

I had SuperTalent 1333 and x58 pro before and I use 2 ST3500410AS in raid 0. I don't have problem oc it to 4g+. I am guessing you still have to play with RAM to get it work. Try oc to 4g and set the RAM at 1600 with8-8-8-24 72, manually set the Voltage of Ram at 1.62 and Vcore at 1.35v ( can use much lower if you have a good cpu).

What are you changing to OC the processor? QPI? Base clock?
For the memory timings where are you putting 72?

QPI put it on 1.375v. Base clock 200Mhz, can't remember where the 72 goes since I am not using Pro anymore.

 

[In2Photos]

I have everything stock on mine with GSkill 1333 (6GB) and it runs fine. I originally had intended to use the ST stuff, but am glad I changed to the GSkill. Hope you get it sorted soon.

 

[DuderB]

Finally got my OCZ memory OCZ3G1600LV6GK
Interesting that the BIOS detects it as 1066.

All I changed was the memory ratio to 6 which should put the memory at 1600mhz and it booted right up. :laugh:

Here is what Sandra shows:
SiSoftware Sandra

System
Manufacturer : MSI
Model : MS-7522
Family : High-End Desktop
Version : 3.0
Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
ID : 00000000-00000000-24000000-2D2B5721
SKU Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.

System Chassis
Manufacturer : MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD
Type : Desktop
Can be locked : No
Version : 3.0
Power Cord(s) : 1
Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Boot-up State : Safe
Power State : Safe
Thermal State : Safe
Security State : External Interface Locked-out

Mainboard
Manufacturer : MSI
Multi-Processor (MP) Support : No
MPS Version : 1.40
Model : MSI X58 Gold(MS-7522)
Type : Mainboard
Version : 3.0
Serial Number : To be filled by O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Location in Chassis : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System BIOS : 66-2776-009999-00101111-021809-TYLSBURG

System Mainboard Properties
Removable : No
Replaceable : Yes
Hot Swap : No

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : m-bit ECC
Number of Memory Slots : 6
BANK0 - DIMM0 : Manufacturer00 OCZ3G1600LV2G 00000000 AssetTagNum0 DIMM 2GB/72 @ 1.33GHz
BANK1 - DIMM1 : Empty
BANK2 - DIMM2 : Manufacturer02 OCZ3G1600LV2G 00000000 AssetTagNum2 DIMM 2GB/72 @ 1.33GHz
BANK3 - DIMM3 : Empty
BANK4 - DIMM4 : Manufacturer04 OCZ3G1600LV2G 00000000 AssetTagNum4 DIMM 2GB/72 @ 1.33GHz
BANK5 - DIMM5 : Empty

Flash Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 1
Maximum Installable Memory : 4MB
Bank 7 : MXIC 25L3205 Non-Volatile Flash 0bytes/8 @ 33MHz

Chipset
Model : MSI X58 I/O Hub
Revision : B3
Bus : Intel CSI (Quick Path)
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 2.41GHz (4.82GHz)
In/Out Width : 20-bit / 20-bit
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes
SLI Technology : Yes
Crossfire Technology : Yes
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 18.84GB/s

Features
TXT - Trust Execution Technology : Yes
ME - Management Engine : Yes
AMT - Active Management Technology : Yes
VT-d - Virtualisation Technology : Yes
EF - EastFork Technology : Yes
AP - Agent Presence : Yes
CB - Circuit Breaker : Yes
Auto Fan Speed Control : Yes

Chipset 1 Hub Interface
Type : Hub-Interface
Version : 1.50
Number of Ports : 3
Width : 16-bit
Full Duplex : Yes
Multiplier : 2x

Chipset
Model : Intel Core CPU Generic Non-Core Registers
Revision : A5
Bus : Intel CSI (Quick Path)
Version : 1.00
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 2.41GHz (4.82GHz)
Maximum FSB Speed : 2x 16.88GHz (33.77GHz)
In/Out Width : 20-bit / 20-bit
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes
I/O Queue Depth : 64 request(s)
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 18.84GB/s

Chipset 2 Hub Interface
Type : Intel CSI (Quick Path)
Version : 1.00
In/Out Width : 20-bit / 20-bit
Multiplier : 18x
Speed : 2x 7MHz (14MHz)
I/O Queue Depth : 5 request(s)

Logical/Chipset Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 2GB DDR3 6-7-7-24 6-31-4-8 1T
Bank 3 : 2GB DDR3 6-7-7-24 6-31-4-8 1T
Bank 6 : 2GB DDR3 6-7-7-24 6-31-4-8 1T
Maximum Installable Memory : 2GB
Supported Memory Types : DIMM DDR3
Channels : 3
Width : 64-bit
Memory Controller in Processor : Yes
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

APIC 1
Model : Intel QPI I/O Hub Throttle Registers
Revision : B3
Version : 2.00
Multiplier : 1/2x
Maximum Interrupts : 24
IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes
Enhanced Support : Yes

Memory Module
Manufacturer : OCZ
Model : OCZ3G1600LV2G
Type : 2GB DIMM DDR3
Technology : 8x(128Mx8)
Speed : PC3-8500U DDR3-1066
Standard Timings : 7-7-7-16 4-26-8-4
Version : 1.00
Set Timing @ 381MHz : 5-5-5-11 3-19-6-3
Set Timing @ 457MHz : 6-6-6-14 3-23-7-3
Set Timing @ 533MHz : 7-7-7-16 4-26-8-4
Set Timing @ 610MHz : 8-8-8-18 5-30-9-5

Memory Module
Manufacturer : OCZ
Model : OCZ3G1600LV2G
Type : 2GB DIMM DDR3
Technology : 8x(128Mx8)
Speed : PC3-8500U DDR3-1066
Standard Timings : 7-7-7-16 4-26-8-4
Version : 1.00
Set Timing @ 381MHz : 5-5-5-11 3-19-6-3
Set Timing @ 457MHz : 6-6-6-14 3-23-7-3
Set Timing @ 533MHz : 7-7-7-16 4-26-8-4
Set Timing @ 610MHz : 8-8-8-18 5-30-9-5

Memory Module
Manufacturer : OCZ
Model : OCZ3G1600LV2G
Type : 2GB DIMM DDR3
Technology : 8x(128Mx8)
Speed : PC3-8500U DDR3-1066
Standard Timings : 7-7-7-16 4-26-8-4
Version : 1.00
Set Timing @ 381MHz : 5-5-5-11 3-19-6-3
Set Timing @ 457MHz : 6-6-6-14 3-23-7-3
Set Timing @ 533MHz : 7-7-7-16 4-26-8-4
Set Timing @ 610MHz : 8-8-8-18 5-30-9-5

Environment Monitor 1
Model : Fintek F71882F/FG LPC
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Environment Monitor 2
Model : Intel Core CPU [P1, C4, T100]
Version : 26.04
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 71.00°C td
CPU Temperature : 58.00°C td
Auxiliary Temperature : 42.00°C td

Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : Yes
System Fan : 982rpm
CPU Fan : 1251rpm
Auxliary Fan : 1059rpm

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU DC Line : 1.28V
+3.3V DC Line : 3.39V
Standby DC Line : 3.38V
Battery DC Line : 3.31V


and a screen shot of cpu-z Memory tab and SPD tab:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...E/Y5o9yL2kdeg/ocz1.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_d9WnaID2...M/d-eDuoVSN_g/ocz2.jpg

Interesting that everything on my system shows different timings than what OCZ rates the memory but can't complain the the timing is currently faster at the came clock speed.

 

[jflijohn]

I feel your pain but dont waste your time. I fought mine for a week, changing parts, BIOS settings.
I finally found on the newsgroups that they have a huge overheating problem.
I sent my MSI X58 back to MWave (they were great to work with) and purchased a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P (i7-940) and it fired right up and is running great. I have not overclocked it yet but all of the temps are running very cool now.