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MSI Radeon 4870 1GB - 158.99 AR + ship @ ZZF

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$183.99 - $25 MIR = $158.99 + shipping

Note: MSI's website and ZZF show this with a reference cooler. Newegg shows this model with an 3rd party cooler. I'm inclined to believe Newegg's pics more since they actually take pics of the product itself.

Note 2: This card is factory overclocked to 780MHz core clock. RAM clocks are stock speed (900MHz/3.6GHz).

Edit: It's baaaaaaack, and cheaper than before.

Bar none this is the most inexpensive 1GB 4870 around. Newegg is currently at $174.99 AR shipped with Rainbow 6 Vega2.
 
how does this compare to my 8800GT? i know the ati has more ram but I don't know if I want to spend the money if it's only a minor upgrade
 
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
how does this compare to my 8800GT? i know the ati has more ram but I don't know if I want to spend the money if it's only a minor upgrade
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Start here... compare the 4870 numbers to the 9800GTX+, take into account the 9800GTX+ is a decent bit faster than the 8800GT, and make your decision from there. Generally 33% to >100% faster than a 9800GTX+.
 
Don't be disappointed if it comes with the reference cooler. MSI makes many different part numbers and the R4870-T2D1G is just the overall part number for that series of cards with 1GB memory. The actual part number will begin as a "MS" number.



Originally posted by: SunnyD
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$194.99 - $25 MIR = $169.99 + shipping

Note: MSI's website and ZZF show this with a reference cooler. Newegg shows this model with an 3rd party cooler. I'm inclined to believe Newegg's pics more since they actually take pics of the product itself.

Note 2: This card is factory overclocked to 780MHz core clock. RAM clocks are stock speed (900MHz/3.6GHz).
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I am rather tempted to buy this. Too bad the rest of my computer would pale in comparison to the video card.
 
Originally posted by: dajeepster
does anyone know of the pcb is based of the reference ATI board... cause if it is... i'll just wc it.
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If you get the version with the reference exhausting blower fan cooler (as seen on Zipzoomfly), it'll have the original reference 3-phase digital VRM PCB design.

If you get the version with the non-reference standard-bladed 80(?)mm fan cooler (as seen on Newegg), it'll have a non-reference 3-phase analog VRM PCB design...
 
Originally posted by: Nafets
Originally posted by: dajeepster
does anyone know of the pcb is based of the reference ATI board... cause if it is... i'll just wc it.
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If you get the version with the reference exhausting blower fan cooler (as seen on Zipzoomfly), it'll have the original reference 3-phase digital VRM PCB design.

If you get the version with the non-reference standard-bladed 80(?)mm fan cooler (as seen on Newegg), it'll have a non-reference 3-phase analog VRM PCB design...
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Is there a major difference for either of them?
 
Originally posted by: ELopes580
Originally posted by: Nafets
Originally posted by: dajeepster
does anyone know of the pcb is based of the reference ATI board... cause if it is... i'll just wc it.
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If you get the version with the reference exhausting blower fan cooler (as seen on Zipzoomfly), it'll have the original reference 3-phase digital VRM PCB design.

If you get the version with the non-reference standard-bladed 80(?)mm fan cooler (as seen on Newegg), it'll have a non-reference 3-phase analog VRM PCB design...
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Is there a major difference for either of them?
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it would matter depending which water block you get... some waterblocks will specifically say "for reference design only" because of what nafets points out
 
Originally posted by: dajeepster
Originally posted by: ELopes580
...Is there a major difference for either of them?
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it would matter depending which water block you get... some waterblocks will specifically say "for reference design only" because of what nafets points out
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Yup, jeep is correct. You will have compatibility problems with full coverage WBs on non-reference HD4870 PCB designs.

Other minor differences are;

Non-reference PCBs usually lack VRM temperature monitoring
Non-reference PCBs lack support for extended software voltage modification (via Rivatuner)
Non-reference PCBs may use less Memory VRM phases
Non-reference PCBs with analog VRMs may run cooler than the reference PCBs with digital VRMs
The reference cooler exhausts all the air outside the PC. The non-reference cooler does not do this and puts it back into the case

Performance-wise they will both be the same, when set to the same GPU/MEM clocks...
 
Originally posted by: Nafets
Originally posted by: dajeepster
Originally posted by: ELopes580
...Is there a major difference for either of them?
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it would matter depending which water block you get... some waterblocks will specifically say "for reference design only" because of what nafets points out
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Yup, jeep is correct. You will have compatibility problems with full coverage WBs on non-reference HD4870 PCB designs.

Other minor differences are;

Non-reference PCBs usually lack VRM temperature monitoring
Non-reference PCBs lack support for extended software voltage modification (via Rivatuner)
Non-reference PCBs may use less Memory VRM phases
Non-reference PCBs with analog VRMs may run cooler than the reference PCBs with digital VRMs
The reference cooler exhausts all the air outside the PC. The non-reference cooler does not do this and puts it back into the case

Performance-wise they will both be the same, when set to the same GPU/MEM clocks...
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Something that you learn rather quickly about 4870 boards - there's no such thing as a "Non-Reference 4870 board". The ONLY thing that's not reference between ALL versions out there is the cooling, everything else (VRMs, etc) are all the same.
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Nafets
Originally posted by: dajeepster
Originally posted by: ELopes580
...Is there a major difference for either of them?
Click to expand...

it would matter depending which water block you get... some waterblocks will specifically say "for reference design only" because of what nafets points out
Click to expand...

Yup, jeep is correct. You will have compatibility problems with full coverage WBs on non-reference HD4870 PCB designs.

Other minor differences are;

Non-reference PCBs usually lack VRM temperature monitoring
Non-reference PCBs lack support for extended software voltage modification (via Rivatuner)
Non-reference PCBs may use less Memory VRM phases
Non-reference PCBs with analog VRMs may run cooler than the reference PCBs with digital VRMs
The reference cooler exhausts all the air outside the PC. The non-reference cooler does not do this and puts it back into the case

Performance-wise they will both be the same, when set to the same GPU/MEM clocks...
Click to expand...

Something that you learn rather quickly about 4870 boards - there's no such thing as a "Non-Reference 4870 board". The ONLY thing that's not reference between ALL versions out there is the cooling, everything else (VRMs, etc) are all the same.
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According to our sources, the new Powercolor HD 4870 PCS will use 4-phase core and 2-phase memory power design
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linky
That sounds pretty non-reference to me

trying to find engineering specs on this stuff really sucks sometimes...
looking at the pic on newegg of the powercolor card.. it looks like there's four areas of filters, so there's a good possibility that these could have 4 phase power.. but then it's just a pic.
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Something that you learn rather quickly about 4870 boards - there's no such thing as a "Non-Reference 4870 board". The ONLY thing that's not reference between ALL versions out there is the cooling, everything else (VRMs, etc) are all the same.
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That's incorrect, there's been non-reference boards since at least December to cut costs. That doesn't necessarily mean lower quality, but the differences are obvious if you look at the PCBs and ICs. Notably missing from the newer 4870s are the Volterra PWM and beefy Vitec inductor. Nvidia recently started rolling out non-reference GTX 260 boards as well, so its not just AMD board partners looking to cut costs where they can.

In any case this is certainly a good deal at $170, certainly worth the premium over the $150 512MB part.
 
I never mentioned about waterblocks. 😕 I want to know if there is any difference if I want to use a pair of these in the system in my sig and which kind would be best and why? Assuming that performance is obviously the same.

Any info on fan noise? Only thing that seems tempting is the reference coolers that pull the hot air out. Since I already have enough heat IN the system as is.
 
Originally posted by: harbin
Originally posted by: sleepeeg3
You should get both. What does the MIR require? Send that or don't get it.
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I only got packing slip
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If you're talking about Newegg, you can browse their site and should easily figure out how to print your own invoice (it's a direct link at the bottom of every page).
 
i don't know when those price cuts are supposed to kick in. I thought that the 4870 was supposed to have a MSRP of 149 to combat nvidia's 250gts which launches 03/10. Hopefully we see those prices tomorrow and this "hot deal" will be ice cold. However, right now the lowest price on newegg for a 512mb 4870 is 194.99 with a $15 rebate on a powercolor.

Conclusion, still a hot deal but might as well wait 24 more hours before pulling the trigger to see what happens.
 
Originally posted by: mhouck
i don't know when those price cuts are supposed to kick in. I thought that the 4870 was supposed to have a MSRP of 149 to combat nvidia's 250gts which launches 03/10. Hopefully we see those prices tomorrow and this "hot deal" will be ice cold. However, right now the lowest price on newegg for a 512mb 4870 is 194.99 with a $15 rebate on a powercolor.

Conclusion, still a hot deal but might as well wait 24 more hours before pulling the trigger to see what happens.
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Sapphire 4870 512MB version at Newegg for $169 + ship, NO rebates!
 
why did the 4870 prices suddenly increase from yesterday and today? at both newegg and zipzoomfly it seems the prices are all significantly higher
 
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