msft impede software innovation & intel impede hardware innovation?

[JellyBaby]

In some respects MS has pushed innovation but it's also done the opposite at times.

While I don't believe Intel has stiffled innovation I will say AMD has forced them to release new products more frequently and open standards have prevented Intel from gaining a monopoly on many subsystem components.

 

[sandorski]

Just woke up, had mental breakdown!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: sandorski
Microsoft has definitely stifled innovation, Netscape being an obvious example.

Intel though, doesn't deserve to be lumped into this discussion, IMO. If AMD had failed during it's foray into SS7/k6-x, then Intel could be accused of truly stifling innovation, however, innovation has actually expanded in the PC(x86) world since Intel locked(to a large extent) competition out. One could argue that Intel "tried" to stifle innovation though.

netscape stifled itself by being crappy

Umm no. Netscape was not crappy, they became crappy because their ability to make money was taken away by Microsoft. As their revenues declined, they cut back on R&D.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: sandorski
Microsoft has definitely stifled innovation, Netscape being an obvious example.

Intel though, doesn't deserve to be lumped into this discussion, IMO. If AMD had failed during it's foray into SS7/k6-x, then Intel could be accused of truly stifling innovation, however, innovation has actually expanded in the PC(x86) world since Intel locked(to a large extent) competition out. One could argue that Intel "tried" to stifle innovation though.

netscape stifled itself by being crappy

Umm no. Netscape was not crappy, they became crappy because their ability to make money was taken away by Microsoft. As their revenues declined, they cut back on R&D.

naw, it was crappy. it became like winamp, whos going to pay for winamp? i'm not saying winamp is crappy, just that netscape hit a brick wall in innovation too

 

[zeruty]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

ALso, you people who are saying MS is ripping off consumers, have you ever walked into a store and payed 400 bucks for Office? If so, you're a dumb@ss.

<== monkey dance

I work at a store that sells Office OEM version, tons of people buy it, for probably around half the price of the retail version.. but I hate selling it cause I know they are STILL being ripped off...

The only people who buy MS software and ARENT ripped off, are people who get it from the microsoft employee store....

 

[dawks]

n/m like arguing with a brick

 

[silent tone]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: sandorski
Microsoft has definitely stifled innovation, Netscape being an obvious example.

Intel though, doesn't deserve to be lumped into this discussion, IMO. If AMD had failed during it's foray into SS7/k6-x, then Intel could be accused of truly stifling innovation, however, innovation has actually expanded in the PC(x86) world since Intel locked(to a large extent) competition out. One could argue that Intel "tried" to stifle innovation though.

netscape stifled itself by being crappy

Umm no. Netscape was not crappy, they became crappy because their ability to make money was taken away by Microsoft. As their revenues declined, they cut back on R&D.

Can you name one person who paid for netscape navigator? They rested on their laurels, lo and behold probably the most ambitous software company developed a product that people preferred to their own. Finally mozilla is producing something competitive. How many years did that take?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: istallion

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: sandorski
Microsoft has definitely stifled innovation, Netscape being an obvious example.

Intel though, doesn't deserve to be lumped into this discussion, IMO. If AMD had failed during it's foray into SS7/k6-x, then Intel could be accused of truly stifling innovation, however, innovation has actually expanded in the PC(x86) world since Intel locked(to a large extent) competition out. One could argue that Intel "tried" to stifle innovation though.

netscape stifled itself by being crappy

Umm no. Netscape was not crappy, they became crappy because their ability to make money was taken away by Microsoft. As their revenues declined, they cut back on R&D.

Can you name one person who paid for netscape navigator? They rested on their laurels, lo and behold probably the most ambitous software company developed a product that people preferred to their own. Finally mozilla is producing something competitive. How many years did that take?

Huh? They came up with Navigator and within 2-3 years they were no longer able to sell it, they were forced to give it away for free. Netscape failed because Microsoft crushed them, not because Netscape sucked.

 

[silent tone]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: istallion

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: sandorski
Microsoft has definitely stifled innovation, Netscape being an obvious example.

Intel though, doesn't deserve to be lumped into this discussion, IMO. If AMD had failed during it's foray into SS7/k6-x, then Intel could be accused of truly stifling innovation, however, innovation has actually expanded in the PC(x86) world since Intel locked(to a large extent) competition out. One could argue that Intel "tried" to stifle innovation though.

netscape stifled itself by being crappy

Umm no. Netscape was not crappy, they became crappy because their ability to make money was taken away by Microsoft. As their revenues declined, they cut back on R&D.

Can you name one person who paid for netscape navigator? They rested on their laurels, lo and behold probably the most ambitous software company developed a product that people preferred to their own. Finally mozilla is producing something competitive. How many years did that take?

Huh? They came up with Navigator and within 2-3 years they were no longer able to sell it, they were forced to give it away for free. Netscape failed because Microsoft crushed them, not because Netscape sucked.

Since at least version 2 netscapes browser was available as a 'free trial'. I've read reports in the past that pegged about 5% of netscapes userbase as paying customers. So ms wasn't taking the bread out netscape's mouth. If netscape was going to base it's profits off of something as basic as a web browser, it has to provide incentive for people to pay for it.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: istallion

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: istallion

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: sandorski
Microsoft has definitely stifled innovation, Netscape being an obvious example.

Intel though, doesn't deserve to be lumped into this discussion, IMO. If AMD had failed during it's foray into SS7/k6-x, then Intel could be accused of truly stifling innovation, however, innovation has actually expanded in the PC(x86) world since Intel locked(to a large extent) competition out. One could argue that Intel "tried" to stifle innovation though.

netscape stifled itself by being crappy

Umm no. Netscape was not crappy, they became crappy because their ability to make money was taken away by Microsoft. As their revenues declined, they cut back on R&D.

Can you name one person who paid for netscape navigator? They rested on their laurels, lo and behold probably the most ambitous software company developed a product that people preferred to their own. Finally mozilla is producing something competitive. How many years did that take?

Huh? They came up with Navigator and within 2-3 years they were no longer able to sell it, they were forced to give it away for free. Netscape failed because Microsoft crushed them, not because Netscape sucked.

Since at least version 2 netscapes browser was available as a 'free trial'. I've read reports in the past that pegged about 5% of netscapes userbase as paying customers. So ms wasn't taking the bread out netscape's mouth. If netscape was going to base it's profits off of something as basic as a web browser, it has to provide incentive for people to pay for it.

yea, i remember that, i think students didn't have to pay either ie sucked back then too.