YEAH, actually, proboly more dc units sold after realizing how easy it is to make the cds. im sure game sales went down cuz of it tho, i only bought one game, im sure i would have bought at least a couple more.
I must have missed a whole lot...
edit: ok...
just to clarify, I wasn't asking to find out where to get illegal copies or any of that.
I was only wondering about it.
edit: ok...
just to clarify, I wasn't asking to find out where to get illegal copies or any of that.
I was only wondering about it.
Well sony is losing money on each ps2 they sell and for the last 3 quarters they have lost money! Who does that sound like, sega perhaps? While I love sega, I have over 50 real! dreamcast games, the dc just wasn't doing it for the average consumer, and it looks to be the same with the PS2. If the PS2 was so damn popular like everyone says, then why is sony losing so much cash? Decline is gaming is a small reason, but everyone waiting for the Xbox and Gamecube to come out to see which one is the best is a big reason.
i think the reason sony is losing money is because there arent that many good games out. I own this system but i definately think it was way hyped up. Hopefully with the release of some quality titles, sony can compete with xbox and gamecube. I also think what will make or break a system is the launch titles. If you don't have enough good games to make people buy your system, then you're screwed. I think sony JUST made it.
And what's this BS about not being able to refill print cartridges? :|
And what's this BS about not being able to refill print cartridges? :|
Sony makes tons of money off of so many things.
The SCSI card they sell to developers, the CDR, the blank CDs, the testing and submission process, dev kits - just signing up to be a developer. Sony rapes developers. So what if they lose cash on the units themselves? They make up for it by gouging the hell out of developers for EVERYTHING.
You can bet Microsoft is going to do the same thing if and when the XBox is successful. If Microsoft is smart, they probably have made the entry price for being an XBox developer very, very low and then made the development kits extremely cheap and then offered to help out with marketing as long as there is a big XBox logo on the ads (Intel does the same thing).
Microsoft is not stupid. They do not want to lose with the XBox to another competitor. They want to be the first successful American company to produce a console. And you can guarantee that they are going to market the hell out of the XBox. I bet those few weeks before it is realeased, they are going to build up such hype for the XBox.
Abyhow, you can guarantee that we Anandtech readers are not the only market for the XBox in the world. There are tons of people who only buy consoles and refuse to acknowledge PCs as an adequate gaming platform. These people will hop on the hype bandwagon and buy the XBox and all the games that come out for it - just because the marketing gurus from Microsoft will tell them to.
The XBox is a great idea, in my mind. It lets people experience great games on a decent platform and brings nVidia into the spotlight for making a great series of products. I wish Microsoft did not make it, but as long as the games are fun and the price is right, who really cares who makes it?
One last point - there is another box coming out (in theory) that has the same GPU, CPU and it open sourced. It's called the Indrema and it is based off of Linux. If you really hate MS that much but like the technology behind the XBox, check out that console instead.
The SCSI card they sell to developers, the CDR, the blank CDs, the testing and submission process, dev kits - just signing up to be a developer. Sony rapes developers. So what if they lose cash on the units themselves? They make up for it by gouging the hell out of developers for EVERYTHING.
You can bet Microsoft is going to do the same thing if and when the XBox is successful. If Microsoft is smart, they probably have made the entry price for being an XBox developer very, very low and then made the development kits extremely cheap and then offered to help out with marketing as long as there is a big XBox logo on the ads (Intel does the same thing).
Microsoft is not stupid. They do not want to lose with the XBox to another competitor. They want to be the first successful American company to produce a console. And you can guarantee that they are going to market the hell out of the XBox. I bet those few weeks before it is realeased, they are going to build up such hype for the XBox.
Abyhow, you can guarantee that we Anandtech readers are not the only market for the XBox in the world. There are tons of people who only buy consoles and refuse to acknowledge PCs as an adequate gaming platform. These people will hop on the hype bandwagon and buy the XBox and all the games that come out for it - just because the marketing gurus from Microsoft will tell them to.
The XBox is a great idea, in my mind. It lets people experience great games on a decent platform and brings nVidia into the spotlight for making a great series of products. I wish Microsoft did not make it, but as long as the games are fun and the price is right, who really cares who makes it?
One last point - there is another box coming out (in theory) that has the same GPU, CPU and it open sourced. It's called the Indrema and it is based off of Linux. If you really hate MS that much but like the technology behind the XBox, check out that console instead.
<< They want to be the first successful American company to produce a console >>
Ever heard of the Atari 2600? Atari was making successful consoles while the Japanese were still grappling with the pickle matrix.
Let me narrow this down, SCEJ, SCEE and SCEA lost money for the past 3 quarters. The PS2 has a few good games, but lots of crap already. But good news for them, onimusha and zone of enders will help with sales (playable MGS2 Demo with ZOE). I suggest to all to get these games, I have had them as imports for a while and they rock!!!
Klonoa 2 just got to my house (import) and I may get Biohazard: CV-X (resident evil in the US) with the Devil May Cry demo. GT3 A-Spec next month.
Klonoa 2 just got to my house (import) and I may get Biohazard: CV-X (resident evil in the US) with the Devil May Cry demo. GT3 A-Spec next month.
<< i think the reason sony is losing money is because there arent that many good games out. >>
Indeed. If making money was as easy as tossing out a new console platform with a few mediocre games, hey, everyone could get rich on 'em.
As has been pointed out already, MS expects to lose $ on the hardware and make it up in game sales. And not just offline games...with the success of the zone.com games they saw incredible profits from online massively multiplayer gaming. The xbox is another launch point to sucker you in to that expense pattern.
Also, MS in every home from sea to shining sea is a powerful thing. They can leverage that in the future and possibly make bigtime dough 4+ years from now....of course by then the xbox is already obsolete....hmmm....
Indeed. If making money was as easy as tossing out a new console platform with a few mediocre games, hey, everyone could get rich on 'em.
As has been pointed out already, MS expects to lose $ on the hardware and make it up in game sales. And not just offline games...with the success of the zone.com games they saw incredible profits from online massively multiplayer gaming. The xbox is another launch point to sucker you in to that expense pattern.
Also, MS in every home from sea to shining sea is a powerful thing. They can leverage that in the future and possibly make bigtime dough 4+ years from now....of course by then the xbox is already obsolete....hmmm....
Yer right. The Atari was successful for a while.
I should change that to the last 10 years. 3DO went no where with their console. MS does not want to be another 3DO.
I should change that to the last 10 years. 3DO went no where with their console. MS does not want to be another 3DO.
I own a cannon does that help?
<< One last point - there is another box coming out (in theory) that has the same GPU, CPU and it open sourced. It's called the Indrema and it is based off of Linux. >>
Cool. But if its open sourced how do they licence software?
<< As has been pointed out already, MS expects to lose $ on the hardware and make it up in game sales. And not just offline games...with the success of the zone.com games they saw incredible profits from online massively multiplayer gaming. The xbox is another launch point to sucker you in to that expense pattern. >>
I was pretty sure the X-box wont get the game support wants but I wasn't considering the zone that will be a whole new market.
<< One last point - there is another box coming out (in theory) that has the same GPU, CPU and it open sourced. It's called the Indrema and it is based off of Linux. >>
Cool. But if its open sourced how do they licence software?
<< As has been pointed out already, MS expects to lose $ on the hardware and make it up in game sales. And not just offline games...with the success of the zone.com games they saw incredible profits from online massively multiplayer gaming. The xbox is another launch point to sucker you in to that expense pattern. >>
I was pretty sure the X-box wont get the game support wants but I wasn't considering the zone that will be a whole new market.
<< GameCube will be selling at, what, $250 at launch. >>
Everything I've read points to a $199.99 or less price tag.
Everything I've read points to a $199.99 or less price tag.
Console companies have been selling at a loss for years. Every game sold gets them a royalty fee of something like $10-20. Not to mention you have to buy their cases, their everything. Consoles are VERY profitable, even with the loss.
WOW the indreama does things my PC cant! and probably most of what it can, but how much does the system cost its got to be near $1,000 with everything on it. If not why am I using this old hunk of...
Indrema is supposed to be competetively priced. It will probably cost as much as the XBox. The only problem I have with the Indrema is the games.
Major companies are scared to do business with Microsoft on the XBox, one reason being the fear of putting money into something they feel will not be successful. I would suspect that these same companies are not going to want to invest money into making games for Indrema, just because the fear of it not being successful.
I am not aware of Indrema's business model. I am sure they already have a plan in place for profit. I just wonder how long they can stay alive on VC money..?
Major companies are scared to do business with Microsoft on the XBox, one reason being the fear of putting money into something they feel will not be successful. I would suspect that these same companies are not going to want to invest money into making games for Indrema, just because the fear of it not being successful.
I am not aware of Indrema's business model. I am sure they already have a plan in place for profit. I just wonder how long they can stay alive on VC money..?
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