MS sued again... f-ing communists...

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Jeff7181,

your myopic views are only equalled by your verbosity. There are many issues at hand with Microsoft, and the EU is doing what the U.S. should've done a long time ago. And bashing the Europeans, particularly the French, will not accomplish anything. You're just a retard (or at best, an inadequately raised, immature teenager) on a big forum - luckily, your frothing at the mouth is just water under the bridge. Now shut up and go back to your McDonald's/AOL/Disney/FoxNews regular schedule.

I'm an American. I believe in what the country was founded on. If that makes me a "retard" or an "inadequately raised, immature teenager" then I'm proud to be just that.

Maybe you should look up the word "verbosity." Doesn't look like you know what it means.

Yeah, verbosity = logorrhea. Or maybe, more accurate in your case, verbal diarrhea. Zip up, your red,white and blue is showing.

If you think that's an insult you're mistaken. Remember... I'm a proud American.

That doesn't make you an American America can be proud of though!

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Effen
I'm curious. How many pro MS folks posting here don't
1) own MS stock, or
2) work for MS or sell MS products or services for MS products exclusively.

I am pro-MS.

I don't own Microsoft stock.
I don't sell Microsoft products&services.
I don't have any relatives&friends working for Microsoft.

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: Effen
I'm curious. How many pro MS folks posting here don't
1) own MS stock, or
2) work for MS or sell MS products or services for MS products exclusively.

I don't own MS stock, nor work for them or sell their products.

It isn't about being "pro MS" it is about being right or wrong.

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Maybe MS should make a "Moron Edition" with all the Real Player, Quicktime, AIM, etc. crap on the CD so that it installs with Windows and gives people a "choice."

AIM? Morons use MSN... AIM is the standard.

Only in the US. MSN will soon take over AIM in number of users.



I think the main issue here is that OEM manufacturers should be able to choose what they want to bundle with windows. I would probably still use WMP and IE because they serve me well.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

IMO, I'd rather some many simple programs all bundled together than just a basic GUI, drivers, and file browser.

Probably for the same reason I like Opera over most other web browsers. Everything I need and use is already there and I don't need anything other than the base install file. No downloads, no plugins, no 3rd party browser extensions, etc.

Simplicity is why Windows is the "best"

Though, that's somewhat off topic based on the current thread.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: DWW

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: AIWGuru
Just look at how much IE has innovated since 2001. Not. At. All.

*raises eyebrow* The already excellent interface not changing in years does not remotely mean no advances in browser technology have taken place. You might want to do some reading on the subject.

MS's super-strict policies towards OEM builders needs to go. They also need to build in some level of de-integration to allow the end user to uninstall whatever we wish. Past that, let them throw in whatever extra value they can muster and that the market will bear.

IE 6 came out in 2001 with windows XP. It hasn't added any new features.
Period.
On the other hand, if it weren't for MS's anti competitive behaviour, OEMs would have chosen superior product if equal choice was present (as in the netscape days) meaning that the following features would be commonplace for everyone:
-tabbed browsing
-popup blocking
-download manager
-built in proper FTP
-built in proper IRC
-built in WYSIWYG HTML editor
-email client with proper and comprehensive spam filter
But they're not.

-tabbed browsing is a preference not necessarily an advance
-popup blocking you can have
-download manager? Who needs one ? I get my 700MB ISO from FTP--a better protocol thanks
-FTP? In a web browser? Keep em separate please
-IRC? That is absurb and definitely unnecessary
-Editor? This is a browser not a web "developer" (is that what they are called?) tool
-Email client? Sorry , once again it is a browser.

I'm just going to leave this thread. The stupidity and ignorance is too much for me.
Unbelievable.

Translation: "I can't respond to that without contradicting myself so I'm leaving this thread."

More like: "you're a bunch of retards who are ignoring valid points and repeating the same illogical garbage. You clearly have no understanding of the issues or any desire to learn about them so I'm not going to waste my time."

Well....you said IE has no innovation since 2001. I responded and wanted to know what Mozilla did that was so innovating. All you can come up with is how Mozilla decided to integrate everything in their browser and mentioned ideas that came way before FireFox's time. Another person disagrees with and suddenly you call us ignorant and stupid. If you had valid points, we would notice it. We did, but we bring up your invalid points, so now you are mad because we dont agree with you. So, now we are wasting your time?

 

[Raj]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Dave Stewart, one of Realnetworks' lawyers, said in an interview with Reuters that the ruling probably will allow the company to increase its market share.

No it won't. I hate Real Player with a passion and will never have it installed on my computer even if there is no other media player in existance. I just won't listen to music or watch video clips if I must use real player.

amen to that. real player sucks and so does mr. Monti.

 

[Bleep]

OMG. I hate all MS-bashers and MS-suers with so much passion. Being an European, I just hate these dumb fvcks. How can you be so stupid.

I think you need to check your facts! Microsoft is being sued in almost all EU countries. As to your mother etc not being able to use some of the Linux distros it is just not true, do you think just because they are over 50 or so they are stupid? Not saying much for what you think of the intellect of your elders.

Bleep

 

[Rickten]

MS must have a lot of patience. At this point I would have simply said, "fine we're done" Close the doors, turn off the website, never release ANY source code, never release another piece of software and go live on the beach for the rest of my life drinking alcohol and fishing all day.

 

[AIWGuru]

oops
"There is a new Windows version coming out: Windows XP Premium. Premium will not be available in box or OEM distribution, as Microsoft is planning to follow its Media Center Edition policy and make it only available on brand new computers.

Windows XP Professional with an updated version of Windows Media Player. Premium will be available only on new PCs, not in boxes at retail. The new media player software lets online music stores -- including one that Microsoft plans to launch later this year -- snap right into the design, so that users can easily buy music from inside the player application. The software will also work seamlessly with the Portable Media Player, handheld devices that run Microsoft software. The first devices, made by Creative Technology (CREAF ), iRiver, and Samsung, will debut later this year.

This is sad news, as Microsoft's decision to keep some of its more interesting products out of the retail box market has robbed perfectly good enthusiasts of the opportunity to build their own Media Center Edition and now Premium Edition PCs. "

Yeah, real competitive for iTunes and napster.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Jeff,

How old are you?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru
oops
"There is a new Windows version coming out: Windows XP Premium. Premium will not be available in box or OEM distribution, as Microsoft is planning to follow its Media Center Edition policy and make it only available on brand new computers.

Windows XP Professional with an updated version of Windows Media Player. Premium will be available only on new PCs, not in boxes at retail. The new media player software lets online music stores -- including one that Microsoft plans to launch later this year -- snap right into the design, so that users can easily buy music from inside the player application. The software will also work seamlessly with the Portable Media Player, handheld devices that run Microsoft software. The first devices, made by Creative Technology (CREAF ), iRiver, and Samsung, will debut later this year.

This is sad news, as Microsoft's decision to keep some of its more interesting products out of the retail box market has robbed perfectly good enthusiasts of the opportunity to build their own Media Center Edition and now Premium Edition PCs. "

Yeah, real competitive for iTunes and napster.

That is why my solution to the MS problem, forcing MS to sale it software with no strings attached would fix all the monopoly problems. They would no longer have any way to stiff arm the OEM, and it would also allow other OS to get a foot hold in the really cheap segment.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Quick passing thought - what about motherboards, and integrating components there? nForce2's MCP+T has probably kept a number of people from buying another sound card. Creative, Voyetra - both aren't liking that, but the end user will. Just plug the speakers into the motherboard.
Maybe that's relevant, maybe not. As I said, just a passing thought.

That's very relavant... and a very good point. Why hasn't nVidia been sued to being anti-competative?

Because you can buy a motherboard with a radeon IGP or an SIS IGP and still run all compatible software.
You can't buy an OEM PC without IE and with mozilla instead.

Ah, but can you buy a motherboard without an IDE controller on it? Twas a time when an IDE controller was only available as an add-on card.
How about math coprocessors? They too used to be an extra chip to put in the motherboard. No need for them anymore either. And you can't "uninstall" them from the CPU.
So there's a few whole market niches damaged or wiped out. Who's complaining about integrated IDE controllers and math processors?

 

[thraxes]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Quick passing thought - what about motherboards, and integrating components there? nForce2's MCP+T has probably kept a number of people from buying another sound card. Creative, Voyetra - both aren't liking that, but the end user will. Just plug the speakers into the motherboard.
Maybe that's relevant, maybe not. As I said, just a passing thought.

That's very relavant... and a very good point. Why hasn't nVidia been sued to being anti-competative?

Because you can buy a motherboard with a radeon IGP or an SIS IGP and still run all compatible software.
You can't buy an OEM PC without IE and with mozilla instead.

Ah, but can you buy a motherboard without an IDE controller on it? Twas a time when an IDE controller was only available as an add-on card.
How about math coprocessors? They too used to be an extra chip to put in the motherboard. No need for them anymore either. And you can't "uninstall" them from the CPU.
So there's a few whole market niches damaged or wiped out. Who's complaining about integrated IDE controllers and math processors?

Nobody, because that is a completely different market with razor sharp profit margins and lots of competition. There is also not one sole company absolutely and completely dominatiing this market. Intel may have a huge portion of the pie but it isn't so big that it is forcing competitors out of business and stifeling innovation. If that were the case, midrange CPUs would still cost 400-500 dollars a pop, there would be no AMD64 (you may ask for what do we need it now, but lets just see what happens in 5-10 years), integrated graphics would be all Intels "extreme" solution not NVidias and ATIs capable IGPs... So even though there is a dominant market leader, it is not so dominant that is stifles competition and innvoation.

In the OS arena on the other hand for a viable system there is only Microsoft. On the one hand it helps to have a common, standardized system and nobody is going to dispute that. But where are the limits to this standardization? IMHO MS has overstepped those limits. Not with IE. IE is a very basic webbrowser (no popup blockers, no tabbed browsing etc all that accomplished by third party add-ons) and since the I-Net is so integral to many things we do on PCs a Webbrowser is a must and part of the standard equiptment. MPlayer is a bit tricky, it is not as basic as IE as it has quite a lot of functionality that used to be in the domain of third party vendors like Nullsoft, Real & Co. If MS Mediaplayer was more like V6.4 perhaps with limited playlist support then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I personally would like this solution: Leave IE as basic as it is now (not my main browser but usefull sometimes), MPlayer should be more like V6.4 with a basic playlist... and in each app a link to MS or the OS-CD where you can download/install IE advanced (with tabs, popup blockers, download manager etc - those arguing it would kill off their beloved google bars and GetRights should wake up - do you seriously not believe MS will not include these features in Longhorn?? They are not that dumb!), MPlayer advanced (basically MP9 or more as we know it), Outlook Express advanced... you get the picture. Basic functions should be included into the OS, no argument here. But additional functions and bloat should be optional to download or install from the OS CD - and the option should be presented after the OS is installed when the basic application is being run (for additional felxibility this should also be manageable from the control panel so you could install all the options in one sitting), not during OS installation as that would defeat the point in doing this as then the bloatware would probably be set as default bringing us back to square one.

 

[ectx]

A vote for anti-MS.

Will start a new thread and provide some arguments (from Wall Street Journal) to support my views - one of these days ... Too many things to do in life.