MS Bashers, why does windows suck?

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero
1) Filled with security holes
2) Expensive Licencing agreements
3) You have less control over what you can do in Windows then let's say...in Linux
4) File archiecture in Windows is far less secure then in Linux (I'm not talking about security holes here, just security in general)
5) Linux can stay up running for months while Windows...has issues staying up that long (for 99 percent of the boxes I've come across)


I could probably list more if I wasn't so damn sleepy

When the hardware isn't dying, my 2k3 box stays up quite well.

When you don't have to reboot it after visiting Windows Update you mean?

There haven't been any updates recently requiring a reboot. I had to reinstall it the other day because of a bad hard drive, and of course I have to reboot it after the initial update, but it was running fine before that. Don't remember it asking me to reboot for quite a while.

It isn't an increadibly loaded system though. Dual Athlon 2400+, 512MB ram. It just runs distributed computing clients, backs up DVDs, serves files, backs up files, downloads, uploads, etc.

So Windows killed your HDD huh? It is evil i tell you, EVIL!

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero
1) Filled with security holes
2) Expensive Licencing agreements
3) You have less control over what you can do in Windows then let's say...in Linux
4) File archiecture in Windows is far less secure then in Linux (I'm not talking about security holes here, just security in general)
5) Linux can stay up running for months while Windows...has issues staying up that long (for 99 percent of the boxes I've come across)


I could probably list more if I wasn't so damn sleepy

When the hardware isn't dying, my 2k3 box stays up quite well.

When you don't have to reboot it after visiting Windows Update you mean?

There haven't been any updates recently requiring a reboot. I had to reinstall it the other day because of a bad hard drive, and of course I have to reboot it after the initial update, but it was running fine before that. Don't remember it asking me to reboot for quite a while.

It isn't an increadibly loaded system though. Dual Athlon 2400+, 512MB ram. It just runs distributed computing clients, backs up DVDs, serves files, backs up files, downloads, uploads, etc.

Isn't it interesting that the only reason you would need to power down a linux box is for either
hardware failure (nothing you can really do about those), power failure (even ups doesn't last forever)
or a kernal upgrade?

everything else can be stop and restarted =)

As for windows, once your system resources go down, it's hard to bring them back up without a shutdown.

I do kernel updates all the time on my BSD boxes, so my uptimes are kind of pitiful lately.

Well, that's certainly up to your own choice. I don't update my kernel every time there is a new update, I kinda wait a tad =)

However, for a gateway I would understand if you tried updating as often as possible. Any new security hole discovered could have a malicious cracker trying out a few new tricks.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

Anything else? I wrote quite a bit up there.

You _don't_ have to restart X to change resolutions.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero
1) Filled with security holes
2) Expensive Licencing agreements
3) You have less control over what you can do in Windows then let's say...in Linux
4) File archiecture in Windows is far less secure then in Linux (I'm not talking about security holes here, just security in general)
5) Linux can stay up running for months while Windows...has issues staying up that long (for 99 percent of the boxes I've come across)


I could probably list more if I wasn't so damn sleepy

When the hardware isn't dying, my 2k3 box stays up quite well.

When you don't have to reboot it after visiting Windows Update you mean?

There haven't been any updates recently requiring a reboot. I had to reinstall it the other day because of a bad hard drive, and of course I have to reboot it after the initial update, but it was running fine before that. Don't remember it asking me to reboot for quite a while.

It isn't an increadibly loaded system though. Dual Athlon 2400+, 512MB ram. It just runs distributed computing clients, backs up DVDs, serves files, backs up files, downloads, uploads, etc.

Isn't it interesting that the only reason you would need to power down a linux box is for either
hardware failure (nothing you can really do about those), power failure (even ups doesn't last forever)
or a kernal upgrade?

everything else can be stop and restarted =)

As for windows, once your system resources go down, it's hard to bring them back up without a shutdown.

I do kernel updates all the time on my BSD boxes, so my uptimes are kind of pitiful lately.

Well, that's certainly up to your own choice. I don't update my kernel every time there is a new update, I kinda wait a tad =)

However, for a gateway I would understand if you tried updating as often as possible. Any new security hole discovered could have a malicious cracker trying out a few new tricks.

When I ran an OpenBSD firewall (my roommate has a linksys router, I don't see a reason to add an OpenBSD gateway at the moment), I updated that less often than my testing and desktop machines. I run snapshots or -current on my other systems.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero
1) Filled with security holes
2) Expensive Licencing agreements
3) You have less control over what you can do in Windows then let's say...in Linux
4) File archiecture in Windows is far less secure then in Linux (I'm not talking about security holes here, just security in general)
5) Linux can stay up running for months while Windows...has issues staying up that long (for 99 percent of the boxes I've come across)


I could probably list more if I wasn't so damn sleepy

When the hardware isn't dying, my 2k3 box stays up quite well.

When you don't have to reboot it after visiting Windows Update you mean?

There haven't been any updates recently requiring a reboot. I had to reinstall it the other day because of a bad hard drive, and of course I have to reboot it after the initial update, but it was running fine before that. Don't remember it asking me to reboot for quite a while.

It isn't an increadibly loaded system though. Dual Athlon 2400+, 512MB ram. It just runs distributed computing clients, backs up DVDs, serves files, backs up files, downloads, uploads, etc.

So Windows killed your HDD huh? It is evil i tell you, EVIL!

Windows _really_ doesn't like bad drives either...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero
1) Filled with security holes
2) Expensive Licencing agreements
3) You have less control over what you can do in Windows then let's say...in Linux
4) File archiecture in Windows is far less secure then in Linux (I'm not talking about security holes here, just security in general)
5) Linux can stay up running for months while Windows...has issues staying up that long (for 99 percent of the boxes I've come across)


I could probably list more if I wasn't so damn sleepy

When the hardware isn't dying, my 2k3 box stays up quite well.

Oh I believe you

My Windows box stays up quite well too for a few weeks...but eventually everything bogs down

I swear that the only box which I've had successfully running for a long while (last uptime was 134 days running) was actually my mandrake 9.1 box. The only reason that box goes down due to power failures.

The 2k pro boxes at work get rebooted 2-3 times per day. There isn't enough ram in the systems (1GB), and some of the programs are a bit wonky.

My BSD boxes stay up constantly. When I ran Linux on a machine or two, it was almost as good as the OpenBSD boxes. And my iBook almost never gets rebooted. I usually have 90+ days of uptime on that old POS.

Actually, I'm quite a fan of BSD myself. I'm slowly loving BSD over linux.

I just LOVE /usr/ports =)

In fact for my next setup, I plan on using Linux as the gateway, firewall, file server, web server, print server, domain name controller, ftp server and who knows what else...

and I'll also have a bsd box as a file server for nfs usage...

I want to be as versitile as possible and learn as much as I can as system administrator.

I don't know about Free or Net, but OpenBSD's NFS code is a bit slow. There have been some updates recently, but I haven't done any testing.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

I understand how you would find that restarting X woudl be like rebooting for you if your used to Windows.

In fact, if some folks don't know how to restart services (not everyone knows it is in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d)

They find rebooting easier to restart the services.

I used to be that way myself till I educated myself more.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

Yes, it was mandrake 8.2
I heard there was a way you can set it up not to restart, but you had to figure out the long console command to type in, and I never figured out how to do it...

I saw no benefits of using linux, it was just a big hassle for me..

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

Yes, it was mandrake 8.2
I heard there was a way you can set it up not to restart, but you had to figure out the long console command to type in, and I never figured out how to do it...

That's bull. Klixxer gave you the correct method.

I saw no benefits of using linux, it was just a big hassle for me..

Like I said, it's all opinion.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

Yes, it was mandrake 8.2
I heard there was a way you can set it up not to restart, but you had to figure out the long console command to type in, and I never figured out how to do it...

I saw no benefits of using linux, it was just a big hassle for me..

honestly speaking here....

Did you find windows a big hassle when you did not know how to use it?

I certainly did...

When I was used to Windows 3.1 and tried Windows 95 for the first time, I was like, this is too damn complicated to use. But I ended up learning...

The first unix based OS I tried was actually minix. I had absolutely no clue how to use it but slowly learned. Then came slackware. XF86Setup =) /usr/src/linux # make config ahh..the memories

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

Yes, it was mandrake 8.2
I heard there was a way you can set it up not to restart, but you had to figure out the long console command to type in, and I never figured out how to do it...

I saw no benefits of using linux, it was just a big hassle for me..

If you installed Mandrake 8.2 that would be all you had to do, the command is not a console command, you just press ctrl - alt + or - to increase or decrease the resolution.

Just out of curiosity, how DID you change the resolution?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

Yes, it was mandrake 8.2
I heard there was a way you can set it up not to restart, but you had to figure out the long console command to type in, and I never figured out how to do it...

I saw no benefits of using linux, it was just a big hassle for me..

If you installed Mandrake 8.2 that would be all you had to do, the command is not a console command, you just press ctrl - alt + or - to increase or decrease the resolution.

Just out of curiosity, how DID you change the resolution?

He probably went through an X reconfiguration. Mine are usually specific enough that the ctrl alt +/- doesn't work.

 

[yhelothar]

honestly speaking here....

Did you find windows a big hassle when you did not know how to use it?

I certainly did...

When I was used to Windows 3.1 and tried Windows 95 for the first time, I was like, this is too damn complicated to use. But I ended up learning...

The first unix based OS I tried was actually minix. I had absolutely no clue how to use it but slowly learned. Then came slackware. XF86Setup =) /usr/src/linux # make config ahh..the memories

No, windows I figured out how to use it, I didn't need to look through a manual to memorize all the commands..

Just out of curiosity, how DID you change the resolution?

I went to the "control panel", and I increased the resolution, and pushed OK, then this message popped up and said I needed to restart in order to see the change...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

honestly speaking here....

Did you find windows a big hassle when you did not know how to use it?

I certainly did...

When I was used to Windows 3.1 and tried Windows 95 for the first time, I was like, this is too damn complicated to use. But I ended up learning...

The first unix based OS I tried was actually minix. I had absolutely no clue how to use it but slowly learned. Then came slackware. XF86Setup =) /usr/src/linux # make config ahh..the memories

No, windows I figured out how to use it, I didn't need to look through a manual to memorize all the commands..

You weren't born with knowledge of windows though, and that's the point. It takes time to learn things that are completely foreign to you.

Have you tried anything advanced in Windows? Did you have to read any instructions?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes so longer uptime...
and even more security..

Anything else? :roll:

When I used linux, I had to restart FAR more. Sure I didn't have to restart the entire operating system, just restart x, but that's basically the same thing as rebooting to me, because I have to close all my programs.
I had to restartx just to change resolutions... :disgust:

You had to restart X to change resolutions? I don't, i just press ctrl - alt + or - to change resolutions and this here X server hasn't been down for a LONG time.

Which distro were you running and what was the version?

Yes, it was mandrake 8.2
I heard there was a way you can set it up not to restart, but you had to figure out the long console command to type in, and I never figured out how to do it...

I saw no benefits of using linux, it was just a big hassle for me..

If you installed Mandrake 8.2 that would be all you had to do, the command is not a console command, you just press ctrl - alt + or - to increase or decrease the resolution.

Just out of curiosity, how DID you change the resolution?

He probably went through an X reconfiguration. Mine are usually specific enough that the ctrl alt +/- doesn't work.

Ah, of course.

I have no need for multiple configurations so i have one that i want to use, if i did need other resolutions i would put them in there though.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

honestly speaking here....

Did you find windows a big hassle when you did not know how to use it?

I certainly did...

When I was used to Windows 3.1 and tried Windows 95 for the first time, I was like, this is too damn complicated to use. But I ended up learning...

The first unix based OS I tried was actually minix. I had absolutely no clue how to use it but slowly learned. Then came slackware. XF86Setup =) /usr/src/linux # make config ahh..the memories

No, windows I figured out how to use it, I didn't need to look through a manual to memorize all the commands..

Just out of curiosity, how DID you change the resolution?

I went to the "control panel", and I increased the resolution, and pushed OK, then this message popped up and said I needed to restart in order to see the change...

Now THAT sounds really strange, Mandrake uses KDE if i am not mistaken? I don't know which drivers doesn't support resolution changes on the fly because X certainly does.

I can honestly say that i have never seen that message when changing the resolution.

 

[nan0bug]

IT DOESNT. WRONG FORUM.

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

any yet its the most used os in the world? hmmm.....

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
any yet its the most used os in the world? hmmm.....

Technical superiority does not equate to market share.

And I don't think it is the most used OS in the world. :Q

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
any yet its the most used os in the world? hmmm.....

Technical superiority does not equate to market share.

And I don't think it is the most used OS in the world. :Q

why would you say that? (im talking about all distributions of windows from personal desktop to professional (business, server etc)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
any yet its the most used os in the world? hmmm.....

Technical superiority does not equate to market share.

And I don't think it is the most used OS in the world. :Q

why would you say that? (im talking about all distributions of windows from personal desktop to professional (business, server etc)

Not too long ago there was a couple of news stories about a little OS from Japan that is run on a lot of ATM and similar machines.

If we're talking non-embedded style, then yes Windows has the biggest install base.