MP3 320kbps CBR vs Loseless

[Goosemaster]

Every ipod and probably most every wma player these days can play lossless using Apple lossless and wma-lossless, respectively.
There is simply no need for flac that I see except better compression and higher sampling rates that are far beyond the capabilities
of most peoples' equipment. Finally, Apple's codec uses AAC which is a standard in case you want to bitch about that.


Flac has it's place, but for the most part it isn't needed for simple stuff like mp3 players unless you are a sound engineer or you know...what's her name😉


Damn her and all her high-quality masters😛

 

[Nohr]

I can't tell the difference between 192kbps CBR and lossless most of the time on my HT system. I rip to V0 VBR MP3s because it's the best balance of quality (~220-250kbps average bitrate), size and compatibility for my needs.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.
Unless you have REALLLLLY trained ears, you're not going to hear the difference between 320 and lossless.
Lossless is mostly for elistist nerds to brag about.

Eh-hem.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1405519&enterthread=y&arctab=y

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.

Oh man, that sounds like a fun game. I wanna play 🙁

That depends on the song.

Although no one will admit it, Nelly Furtado's "say it right" has a nice beat to it, and you can identify different bitrates pretty easily on modest equipment (my Mirage's) or even crappy stuff (using some $30 logitechs right now) depending on what is being reproduced.

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: MrBond
I remember a few years ago, an AT'er did a thread where he posted samples of "lossless" versus "lossy" compression and asked people to vote on which was which in a poll.

He posted the files in such a way that you couldn't tell which was which - I think he ripped them from CDs, then re-encoded them into WAV format or something.

Anyway, the reason I remember it is because a lot of people got it wrong.

I have no idea who the poster was or how to even find it since the search is terrible. Maybe someone else remembers?

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.
Unless you have REALLLLLY trained ears, you're not going to hear the difference between 320 and lossless.
Lossless is mostly for elistist nerds to brag about.

heh

 

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: Sheep

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What mp3 portable players can decode OGG and FLAC?

I love my old school iRiver H120. :heart:

Can't do FLAC but does have OGG support and has never failed me once.

myold RIO KARMA played OGG / FLAC ...man I miss that ol cube or at least the UI / Options..😎

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Every ipod and probably most every wma player these days can play lossless using Apple lossless and wma-lossless, respectively.
There is simply no need for flac that I see except better compression and higher sampling rates that are far beyond the capabilities
of most peoples' equipment. Finally, Apple's codec uses AAC which is a standard in case you want to bitch about that.


Flac has it's place, but for the most part it isn't needed for simple stuff like mp3 players unless you are a sound engineer or you know...what's her name😉


Damn her and all her high-quality masters😛

lmao, MS Dawn?

AFAIK, ALAC uses an M4A container but is way more closely related to FLAC than it is to AAC.

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
That depends on the song.

Although no one will admit it, Nelly Furtado's "say it right" has a nice beat to it, and you can identify different bitrates pretty easily on modest equipment (my Mirage's) or even crappy stuff (using some $30 logitechs right now) depending on what is being reproduced.

QFT, the drum line gets annihilated by MP3 compression.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
That depends on the song.

Although no one will admit it, Nelly Furtado's "say it right" has a nice beat to it, and you can identify different bitrates pretty easily on modest equipment (my Mirage's) or even crappy stuff (using some $30 logitechs right now) depending on what is being reproduced.

QFT, the drum line gets annihilated by MP3 compression.

It's really bad too....I doubt anyone WOULDN'T notice.....but I still listen to it too since it doesn't matter much on cheap ear buds at the gym😱*

 

[Goosemaster]

we need to do another test.....hmmmmmmm...maybe I an make one?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.
Unless you have REALLLLLY trained ears, you're not going to hear the difference between 320 and lossless.
Lossless is mostly for elistist nerds to brag about.

You sure made a fool of yourself in that thread, virtualgames0.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.
Unless you have REALLLLLY trained ears, you're not going to hear the difference between 320 and lossless.
Lossless is mostly for elistist nerds to brag about.

You sure made a fool of yourself in that thread, virtualgames0.

oh snap...didn't know they changed their name..

lol...they really had no idea what the hell they were talking about😛

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.
Unless you have REALLLLLY trained ears, you're not going to hear the difference between 320 and lossless.
Lossless is mostly for elistist nerds to brag about.

You sure made a fool of yourself in that thread, virtualgames0.

indeed i wonder if thats why he changed his username 😛

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: TheGizmo

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: astroidea
There's a poll I made a while ago doing a blind test comparison between 128kbps mp3 and 320kbps mp3s. Half the guys here couldn't get it, and even then, the half that did get it right, a good percentage of them got it from guessing.
Unless you have REALLLLLY trained ears, you're not going to hear the difference between 320 and lossless.
Lossless is mostly for elistist nerds to brag about.

You sure made a fool of yourself in that thread, virtualgames0.

indeed i wonder if thats why he changed his username 😛

I wonder? 😛

 

[Maiora]

The crudest chemicals burn with the brightest light.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What mp3 portable players can decode OGG and FLAC?

some players from samsung and iriver seem to support ogg

 

[alm99]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
we need to do another test.....hmmmmmmm...maybe I an make one?

Sample the Nelly Furtado song!

 

[Goosemaster]

At least we can all agree that the mediums are out there for us to enjoy our music the way we like🙂

 

[jordanz]

Never used, but www.musicgiants.com is supposed to have "lossless"/"HD" albums.

 

[Rubycon]

Ugh but you know this reminds me of the first time I heard Billy Joel's hit in 1980. From Glass Houses Still Rock and Roll and I will NEVER forget that pounding-pounding-pounding bass coming from those Patricia 800's. 😀

I was 16 at the time and you know how that pounding makes a young woman feel...

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: alm99

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
we need to do another test.....hmmmmmmm...maybe I an make one?

Sample the Nelly Furtado song!

doing just that

 

[Skeeedunt]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: alm99

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
we need to do another test.....hmmmmmmm...maybe I an make one?

Sample the Nelly Furtado song!

doing just that

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Rubycon
I was 16 at the time and you know how that pounding makes a young woman feel...

oh my

😛

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
Ugh but you know this reminds me of the first time I heard Billy Joel's hit in 1980. From Glass Houses Still Rock and Roll and I will NEVER forget that pounding-pounding-pounding bass coming from those Patricia 800's. 😀

I was 16 at the time and you know how that pounding makes a young woman feel...

damn that's a hot recording...

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: alm99

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
we need to do another test.....hmmmmmmm...maybe I an make one?

Sample the Nelly Furtado song!

doing just that

:thumbsup:

LOFL....I forgot that "they" don't take visa

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
...In a blind test?

YUP. I've done it before. My friend set up tests to see if I could tell, actually all of us that took it could. Bass is flatter sounding, highs get murdered

 

[teatime0315]

320 vs Lossless on my speakers? probably not... haha