Mozilla users, does this site act on you?

[cronos]

blink.. blink..
that's annoying.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: rh71
heh people writing workarounds to individual sites/problems... if you had to do that for IE, I'm sure most of you would raise hell.

I'd much rather be able to fix things with my browser than use some three year old software that hasn't had any new features added in ages.

What is the underlying problem here... independent/non-profit software gets special treatment even if there are holes/problems while software made by corporate companies get the shaft at the smallest issue... ? If not in your eyes, fine... but that was the point I was making. Tell me it isn't true in many cases. People just can't stand the big fellas.

THERE IS NO PROBLEM! There is no hole. The page was written maliciously or by an idiot, using a feature IE doesn't include, but all other browsers do. The page is not "acting up", it's blinking like it's supposed to. Find me a list like this for Moz. Then we can talk about holes/features.

I wrote that not specifically because of this thread or issue. Re-read what I wrote and you'll realize this. People have patched up (written more valid HTML) code just to satisfy a browser other than IE (I know IE is REALLY lenient which is good for users). You can be a stickler for proper code, but convenience (and having it show up the way it should - which is always the case in IE) is more important when it comes to users.

This special treatment spans to OS's also. You should see the list of Linux patches out there compared to Windows. I get a mailer every week about them... yet what do we b!tch at the most ?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: rh71
You can be a stickler for proper code, but convenience (and having it show up the way it should - which is always the case in IE) is more important when it comes to users.

No, IE does not show it "the way it should". Mozilla does. All IE does is encourage sloppy work.

ZV

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: rh71
You can be a stickler for proper code, but convenience (and having it show up the way it should - which is always the case in IE) is more important when it comes to users.

No, IE does not show it "the way it should". Mozilla does. All IE does is encourage sloppy work.

ZV

When you write code and intend it to show up one way but forget a closing tag somewhere... IE still manages to show it correctly. That is the way it "should" be. Of course it's sloppy work, I'm not contesting that.

Look at it this way... if it were a new product (browser) out there that was able to render pages "smart" enough even if you made a mistake... you'd think... wow, that's pretty smart. Throw MS / IE into the picture and you'll call them idiots.

 

[Bassyhead]

flashes in opera, man thats annoying

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: rh71
You can be a stickler for proper code, but convenience (and having it show up the way it should - which is always the case in IE) is more important when it comes to users.

No, IE does not show it "the way it should". Mozilla does. All IE does is encourage sloppy work.

ZV

When you write code and intend it to show up one way but forget a closing tag somewhere... IE still manages to show it correctly. That is the way it "should" be. Of course it's sloppy work, I'm not contesting that.

Look at it this way... if it were a new product (browser) out there that was able to render pages "smart" enough even if you made a mistake... you'd think... wow, that's pretty smart. Throw MS / IE into the picture and you'll call them idiots.

Unfortunately "adaptive" html interpretation lends itself towards generating security holes at anything beyond a basic level.

IE is still the inferior browser though, mostly because they don't conform to various internationally established specifications. The classic example was CSS Stylesheets. In older versions of IE it would interpret the pixel spacing with borders incorrectly (or something like that) so in order to have your pages display properly for 90% of the internet community you had to write incorrect stylesheets.

IE is chock full of security holes, lacks features almost every other browser has (tabbed browsing, etc.) and doesn't conform to HTML/etc. spec on any level remotely near the rest of the browsers out there.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: rh71
When you write code and intend it to show up one way but forget a closing tag somewhere... IE still manages to show it correctly. That is the way it "should" be. Of course it's sloppy work, I'm not contesting that.

This may be a matter of design philosophy, but as a software developer, if there's an error, I expect things to fail early and often. Software which hides mistakes builds dependency on a behavior which isn't part of the original software design, and this encourages other things to break down the line when the error correcting "feature" gets changed, and suddenly the page which has worked through several test cycles mysteriously breaks without any changes being made to it.

On the other hand, if the page doesn't work to begin with, the developer gets feedback that they screwed up, and unless they want that to get passed on to their end users, they'll go and address it.

 

[screw3d]

Freaking incompetent web developers :| You would think that the main page for a major company would have been better tested?