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MovieSwap -- interesting new Kickstarter

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JSt0rm said:
ripping netflix disks is the fastest and cheapest way for people to grow a big library. lol if you think people dont do it.
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Your reading comprehension sucks. I mean REALLY sucks.
He didn't say nobody did that... he said there are better ways than doing it that way. Jesus Christ...
 
Homerboy said:
Your reading comprehension sucks. I mean REALLY sucks.
He didn't say nobody did that... he said there are better ways than doing it that way. Jesus Christ...
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It does? I mean here we are talking about a thing that you post hahahaah and wink wink to everyone. We are talking about a thing that allows you to "trade" physical disks in a dynamic real time and you think this is ok? Your mind has already jumped through all of the hoops your mind needed to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and steal.
 
Like most Kickstarters, they're going to take the money and run. When confronted, "The movie studios shut us down."
 
JSt0rm said:
It does? I mean here we are talking about a thing that you post hahahaah and wink wink to everyone. We are talking about a thing that allows you to "trade" physical disks in a dynamic real time and you think this is ok? Your mind has already jumped through all of the hoops your mind needed to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and steal.
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I'm sorry I missed where I "wink winked" or where I said this (potentially) new service was "ok". I said it was "interesting one to watch, no matter how it ends up". I'm actually impressed Kickstarter allowed it in the first place. I, much like everyone in this thread, pretty much assume this thing will never see the light of day, and if it does, it will be sued into oblivion by the MPAA et al pretty damned quick.

Don't pretend that you know me, or my motives or thoughts.

Edit: misquoted myself 🙂
 
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JSt0rm said:
ripping netflix disks is the fastest and cheapest way for people to grow a big library.
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Lol, look at you telling us how pirates do things. Maybe you are the pirate? 😉

lol if you think people dont do it.
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I am sure some 57 year old man out there does it and thinks he is really sneaky for getting away with it. Anyone who was born after Ronald Reagan was elected president (even those who aren't pirates) knows that downloading movies off the internet is WAY cheaper, faster and easier than having to pay for Netflix, screw with the post office, and mess with ripping discs.

I mean even a half decent connection (say 20mb down) can download over 200GB over a 24 hour period. That is four Blu Rays worth of data in a day, and Netflix will only let you have three disks at a time at most with a turn around time of three or so mailing days. The math alone says downloading is faster and easier.

JSt0rm said:
There are plenty of reasons why ripping netflix blurays is the best way.
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I would love to hear them.
 
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I mean even a half decent connection (say 20mb down) can download over 200GB over a 24 hour period. That is four Blu Rays worth of data in a day, and Netflix will only let you have three disks at a time at most with a turn around time of three or so mailing days. The math alone says downloading is faster and easier.
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but the NF way carries less risk, so for the risk averse it is a preferable method.
 
people who have data caps will rip a bluray first.

people who are worried about "files" would rather rip a bluray

people in rural areas and dont have high bandwidth would rather rip blurays.

lots of reasons.
 
Homerboy said:
Sure sounds like you know a lot about this and given it thought. I can only come to one conclusion... :ninja::hmm:
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because he also works in the industry? lol.

You guys would flip out if you saw all my screeners*. 😀






*they actually give me screeners
 
IF they are streaming from a physical copy, it might be interesting to see how that is seen legally. It comes down to how they see the difference between lending a DVD to your neighbor (solid legally) vs. letting a neighbor control the DVD in your player (is this the MovieSwap model?).

But if any ripping is involved, forget it.
 
If this were legal, why isn't Netflix already doing it? They already have warehouses full of DVD's, and they wouldn't have to pay outrageous amounts for streaming rights.
 
JSt0rm said:
because he also works in the industry? lol.

You guys would flip out if you saw all my screeners*. 😀






*they actually give me screeners
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Why would I flip out at your screeners? I honestly don't get the point of mentioning this -- I don't recall anyone discussing "screeners" in this or any other thread. I actually love to go see movies in the theater -- nothing beats the experience.


By the way, congrats on a successful thread-jack (again)
 
kranky said:
IF they are streaming from a physical copy, it might be interesting to see how that is seen legally. It comes down to how they see the difference between lending a DVD to your neighbor (solid legally) vs. letting a neighbor control the DVD in your player (is this the MovieSwap model?).

But if any ripping is involved, forget it.
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Yeah, I can't tell if ripping or physical or what. If streaming a physical disk, it would be interesting, if ripping there's no way it holds up. And if physical... how? They'd need a drive for EVERY disk, and I think a case could be made that each person's individual copy would have to be shared -- not 1 copy shared to multiple people at the same time.

Ns1 said:
If this were legal, why isn't Netflix already doing it? They already have warehouses full of DVD's, and they wouldn't have to pay outrageous amounts for streaming rights.
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I was thinking the same thing...
 
Ns1 said:
but the NF way carries less risk, so for the risk averse it is a preferable method.
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Not really. I mean people might perceive the risk to be greater, but they would be wrong.

Downloading movies is a legal gray area as long as you don't plan to distribute them yourself (aka not downloaded via torrents). The only Federal Law that maybe makes personal copyright infringement illegal is the NET Act of 1997, but we don't know for sure because no pirate has been prosecuted under that law. All of the torrent court cases so far have been civil lawsuits. The law in behind the times on copyright infringement.

Meanwhile ripping a disk requires breaking a blatant law, the DMCA, that is enforced very very often. We don't have a record of a DVD ripping consumer getting in trouble for violating the DMCA, but people have been raided because of the law. Paying the money to get AnyDVD to rip movies puts your name in some credit card database as a DMCA violator. I would imagine the risk averse pirate uses illegal movie streaming sites via a VPN or something instead. Honestly though "risk averse" and "pirate" don't really mix.


The main problem with this plan in OP actually is there is no way to rip a DVD without violating the DMCA. That is a big problem, because even aiding breaking DRM (such as some decentralized system where the users did the ripping) breaks the DMCA.
 
JSt0rm said:
You guys would flip out if you saw all my screeners*. 😀
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If we were actual pirates we would have seen your screeners too! 😀

Personally I am not jealous one bit. From what I understand screeners are DVD quality, and for movies I care about only the theater or a perfect Blu Ray rip is acceptable.
 
Ns1 said:
If this were legal, why isn't Netflix already doing it? They already have warehouses full of DVD's, and they wouldn't have to pay outrageous amounts for streaming rights.
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I guess I interpreted their phrase "community-based" to mean they are not holding the DVDs and each person keeps their DVDs. But how that could work logistically I have no idea.
 
^^

to the risk averse, the act of getting a NF disk and ripping it is totally private, but the act of torrenting would require downloading p2p programs and putting yourself out there (w/o getting into VPN's and all that).

anyway, enough of that tangent for me.
 
kranky said:
I guess I interpreted their phrase "community-based" to mean they are not holding the DVDs and each person keeps their DVDs. But how that could work logistically I have no idea.
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They are most certainly inferring they are housing all the DVD's "somewhere"

We already collected over 200,000 DVDs in our warehouse

Because people already PAID for them, we invented a fair way to give them a brilliant second life. That's the logistical and technical basis of MovieSwap, which is ready to:

1. collect millions of DVDs from all over the world
2. register them on behalf of their owners
3. put them into the cloud
4. store them in warehouses
5. and remotely play them on any device across their personal libraries.
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