Movies that are total hyped crap that everyone raved about:

[busydude]

It may end up being well over your head. If you cannot connect what's going on screen with the framework of wider Western mythology, Ink is going to be a confusing journey for you.

If you can transfer the mythology over and see the connections... wow.

Ink is not a movie for shallow minds. It does not hold your hand.

I really really loved Ink.. other than the duct tape over eyes.. which was a bit cheesy. Seriously.. this movie is awesome.

 

[zinfamous]

My friend did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and he HATED the Hurt Locker. I'm pretty sure his actual words were "worst movie ever." And his reason? Because people would think that what was portrayed in the movie was a realistic portrayal of what he may have experienced in war. I haven't seen the movie myself, but the reaction I've heard from veterans has almost universally been disgust with the idea that what's portrayed in the film is supposed to be considered remotely realistic, while civilians can enjoy it because they don't know any better about the realities of war.

That said, my buddy also told me that Punch Drunk Love was a great movie, so his taste is often somewhat questionable.

I see what you mean. both movies were awesome.

 

[Ichinisan]

... I will agree with Napolean Dynamite. I can see the humor in it and I found it funny, but what I did not like was an overall feeling of disjointedness. The whole film seemed like a series of comedic skits that were loosely stitched together into a story. ...

For me, it was entertaining from-start-to-finish. I bought the soundtrack too.

There are some sad omissions, like the White Stripes song from the intro. The version of Music for a found Harmonium near the end, and it has the wrong version of Time after Time.

Reminds me of the fact that my Fight Club soundtrack omits The Pixies: Where is my Mind?

 

[foghorn67]

Fight Club. Some cool scenes, artsy stuff, awesome dialogue. But the overall film wasn't spectacular. Don't get me wrong, I do like the movie. But people talk about it like it was a religion.

Natural Born Killers. I didn't think there was a redeeming thing about this movie, critics gushed over it with orgasms.

 

[zinfamous]

It may end up being well over your head. If you cannot connect what's going on screen with the framework of wider Western mythology, Ink is going to be a confusing journey for you.

If you can transfer the mythology over and see the connections... wow.

Ink is not a movie for shallow minds. It does not hold your hand.

yet, this is exactly what you demand of Children of Men. everything you have mentioned earlier of this childfantasy Ink movie "it demands belief and faith alone" you used to directly criticize Children of men.

basically, you are talking out of your ass and have no fucking clue what you are saying, or how to appreciate a freaking film.

it kind of follows with most of your posts here, anyway, and I wouldn't think more of a children's pony cartoon-loving sub-adult.

I'm very much a liberal individual, yet you tend to show in your P&N posts that you are chock full of half-baked crazy and fantasy-based assumptions on the world. You are a complete embarrassment to liberals, and in no way represent an educated, informed vision of such a view. the very fact that you use identical reasoning to trounce a movie that is far beyond your capacity to praise and accept a little kiddie movie is proof of this.

stop watching cartoons. start reading books written for adults, and such...

 

[Ichinisan]

Fight Club. Some cool scenes, artsy stuff, awesome dialogue. But the overall film wasn't spectacular. Don't get me wrong, I do like the movie. But people talk about it like it was a religion. ...

Love the soundtrack :thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

The acting was insufficient to satisfy you?

You, sir, are impossible to satisfy.

Granted, my only beef is that little Mattie's intellect, wit, and vocabulary aren't very believable. That's the way the character was written in the book. It's still an absolutely amazing performance. Jeff Bridges too.

Yeah, but it isn't terribly odd for 1870whatever. her maturity may be, but not her language. If she is understood to be mature, educated, and balsy beyond her years, then it's reasonable.

and yes, it is based on the book. The shitty John Wayne movie is a parody of the book.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The Hurt Locker is amazing. the ending is perfect, b/c that is what the film is about.

No one should have to apologize for the stupidity of the viewer.

No, no it wasn't. Hurt Locker is fucking terrible. Sniper scene. 'nuff said.

Up! Blech; and that goes for most Pixar nonsense. I do not understand why everyone soils their panties as soon as a new Pixar film comes out.

I did like Wall-E, particularly the first half.

KT

I find Pixar overrated but their movies aren't terrible either.

District 9 was shitty because of the plot holes and the preachiness. Not to mention the unbelievability; I mean it's unbelievable enough that aliens might actually visit us...but that we enslave them too? Only Bay...only him.

I got another one. Sexy Beast. Seems like everyone raves about this film. Halfway through I began to wonder if I was watching the same version that received such high praise.

On the flipside, I totally, 100% enjoyed The Core. It's such a guilty pleasure of mine. Probably because the movie doesn't take itself so seriously. The biggest flaws with ID4 and 2012 were how serious they tried to make it, but even then I can stand ID4 more than 2012, maybe because of nostalgia.

Only Bay? I hope you're not somehow under the impression that Michael Bay directed District 9.

 

[Miscthree]

Hurt Locker was good. Definitely deserved to beat Avatar. They should not have been competing with each other.

'Occupational' films like Hurt Locker or the many myriad Attorney or police/detective or Doctor movies always get hugely criticized by the people who are working in that field. For instance, a lawyer friend is always bitching about courtroom rules etc on film or tv. It gets fucking annoying, but at least he's informative.

 

[zerocool84]

Hurt Locker was good. Definitely deserved to beat Avatar. They should not have been competing with each other.

'Occupational' films like Hurt Locker or the many myriad Attorney or police/detective or Doctor movies always get hugely criticized by the people who are working in that field. For instance, a lawyer friend is always bitching about courtroom rules etc on film or tv. It gets fucking annoying, but at least he's informative.

I'm not in that field and I could immediately pick out what was wrong.

 

[zinfamous]

This.

So far almost no one has given a good alternative to the movies they're downing. My recommendation, to make this worth while, is to at least mention a better Oscar nominated film to the one they say didn't deserve it FROM THE SAME YEAR.

This is just a "I hate popular stuff because people like it and I'm different..." thread. Lame.

they're all bitter that the Dark Knight didn't win b/c it is the ebst movie ever made and that it's so uncool to hate b/c it's so damn popular and everyone loves it but of course it's totally stupid to simply agree that True Grit is great simply because a lot of people loved it and of course mainly the critics loved it so therefore it is crap b/c critics have much less experience understanding movies than I do b/c obviously I'm so smart and understand that Michael bay is great and he's just having shits and all so why bother criticize his awesomeness b/c that's all it is.


stupid idiots is what it is. Many aren't even consistent in understanding what they like and dislike, or why. It is very much a "I don't get it therefore it sucks" thread.
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and while I do get while people with serious experience have problems with the hurt locker, I still don't understand why they take the views of those with no experience in the matter, saying it is realistic, then having the film ruined for them b/c they still feel they have to accept that view and can't get past it. Anyway, it doesn't bother me b/c it has no bearing on the film. If they wanted realism, they'd be standing around their trucks or playing poker at the base 3/5 days, right? Or so I've heard...Not much of a movie, there. Watch Restrepo. :\

 

[zerocool84]

they're all bitter that the Dark Knight didn't win b/c it is the ebst movie ever made and that it's so uncool to hate b/c it's so damn popular and everyone loves it but of course it's totally stupid to simply agree that True Grit is great simply because a lot of people loved it and of course mainly the critics loved it so therefore it is crap b/c critics have much less experience understanding movies than I do b/c obviously I'm so smart and understand that Michael bay is great and he's just having shits and all so why bother criticize his awesomeness b/c that's all it is.


stupid idiots is what it is. Many aren't even consistent in understanding what they like and dislike, or why. It is very much a "I don't get it therefore it sucks" thread.
🙂

and while I do get while people with serious experience have problems with the hurt locker, I still don't understand why they take the views of those with no experience in the matter, saying it is realistic, then having the film ruined for them b/c they still feel they have to accept that view and can't get past it. Anyway, it doesn't bother me b/c it has no bearing on the film. If they wanted realism, they'd be standing around their trucks or playing poker at the base 3/5 days, right? Or so I've heard...Not much of a movie, there. Watch Restrepo. :\

You take movies a little too serious.

 

[Miscthree]

IIRC, District 9 was publicized heavily because of the racial undertones and symbolism that existed or still exists in the present day South Africa? Granted, the symbolism of 'prawn' to african is literal, deliberately crass and shallow, but noteworthy. In that sense it deserved some media attention. But as a movie by itself, it can be easily picked apart to the last molecule.

 

[zinfamous]

Another one to add to the list:

Sideways

I heard soooo many people rave about it but when I sat down to watch it it was just a bunch of fart-smelling, self-indulgent wieners making shit up about wine. I guess it appealed to the real fart-smelling, self-indulgent wieners who like to make stuff up about wine but in reality it was crap.

make stuff up about wine?

no, not really, but I didn't enjoy it, either. Sucks, because I really like Alexander Payne:

Election
About Schmidt

 

[zinfamous]

You take movies a little too serious.

what does that even mean?

how about: "you take guns too serious."

"you take video games too serious."

"you take mountain biking too serious."

"you take clubbing too serious."

...etc.

 

[zerocool84]

what does that even mean?

how about: "you take guns too serious."

"you take video games too serious."

"you take mountain biking too serious."

"you take clubbing too serious."

...etc.

You get all butthurt when someone says a movie sucks. It's just a movie.

 

[Miscthree]

I'm not in that field and I could immediately pick out what was wrong.

Such as?

 

[busydude]

You take movies a little too serious.

Going by this thread, my thoughts as well.

 

[zinfamous]

No, no it wasn't. Hurt Locker is fucking terrible. Sniper scene. 'nuff said.

.

no. not hardly "'nuff said."

it doesn't mean dick to the movie. who gives a flying fuck if one bitches about "OMG army guy would not do that WAAAA I can't accept fiction except Platoon was FUCKING AWESOME!"

seriously: stick in ass about realism in your movies. remove it. nao.

 

[HendrixFan]

It was pointless.

No justification for the fighting. No justification for why the baby was in danger. No explanation for how the baby would be safe elsewhere. No explanation for how a single baby was actually meaningful in the big picture.

It was a journey from nowhere to nowhere. I was rooting for mother and child to die so the damned thing would end.

The fighting was because civilization was falling apart. Without the hope of new generations things crumbled.

The baby was in danger because there were those who were interested in not seeing the baby born. The "meaningfulness" of the baby in the big picture was sort of the whole point of the movie. The journey of the movie was Clive Owens' character (who is in every shot) arc, as he starts to find purpose in life, both micro and macro.

For those who have mentioned Napoleon Dynamite, I think growing up in the 80s greatly increases the chances that you will enjoy the movie. It wasn't set in the 80s, but backwards Idaho certainly felt like it.

 

[DominionSeraph]

yet, this is exactly what you demand of Children of Men. everything you have mentioned earlier of this childfantasy Ink movie "it demands belief and faith alone" you used to directly criticize Children of men.

Ahhh, exactly what I expected you to bring up, as I did not grant that you had the intelligence to see the difference.

CoM is an active chase movie. Ink is a journey.
A chase must be defined. A journey can be experienced.
The surroundings define a chase. The path is wholly defined by them. So it is fact-based. Facts come first, which define the path that must be taken to reach the goal.
The journey illuminates its surroundings, so the facts are experience-based. The experience uncovers the facts that underlay the journey.
If the journey does not uncover all the facts, that is fine -- you can lay on faith that they were there.
If the facts do not show the path taken in the chase, though, you are left scratching your head as to why that course to the goal was taken.

In an active chase you are making the decision alongside the character. In a journey you do not know the basis of the decision, you only see the result. From that you must gather the motive.

basically, you are talking out of your ass and have no fucking clue what you are saying,

No, you just weren't smart enough to foresee the answer that was already there.

That you do not see a path does not mean it does not exist. The limits of your mind are not the limits of mine, nor that of reality. We both are bigger than you.

With that brain of yours, you'd do well to learn some caution.

 

[zinfamous]

No, no, no, no, a million times over no.

The Social Network
Precious
District 9
Avatar
The Hurt Locker
Slumdog Millionaire
Juno
Babel
The Aviator
Million Dollar Baby
Seabiscuit
Master and Commander
Gangs of New York
Shakespeare in Love
The Full Monty
The English Patient
The Postman
Babe
The Godfather Part III
Driving Miss Daisy
Amadeus
Tootsie

All got nominated for or won a "Best Picture" award.

And, for the record, I have never said a Michael Bay movie was good.

How many of those have you actually seen? the only one that doesn'
t belong, probably Godfather III. that wasn't horribly bad, but compared to the other 2, it was an abortion. An abortion, Michael.


Also, you list many movies from the last 2 or three years, when they expanded the category to finally pay lipservice to the classes of movies that rarely, if ever, deserve such recognition--the precious blockbusters.

Star Wars was nominated--and I certainly don't agree with that.

Here's the thing, The Academy is selecting and voting for work and achievement within its own industry, based on what it feels deserves the most merit considering the qualities of its medium. This academy is made up of nearly all of the directors, actors, writers, critics, et al that are involved int he process.

It's funny, all the criticism people levy here over the nominees has to do with "no one saw these crappy movies, everyone hated it--i.e. it wasn't popular."

then we start talking about grammies. now we all know what a sham the grammies are. the industry patting itself on the back for selling 11 million Justin Bieber albums. great, swell. obviously about merit, right--because everyone likes Justin Beiber, therefore it's good?

come on, we have so many threads here were people cast the same ridiculous aspersions towards a group that they simply don't understand,l yet get annoyed when their favorite isn't chosen as good as they seem it is, yet turn the same sort of criticisms towards other content within the same field that they simply don't care to understand, or simply say "dude, don't take it so seriously?"

critique the awards all you want, but you can't deny that they strive to achieve an actual level of merit, defined within their own long-standing standards of content. if you want popularity and stuff your buddy liked, then stick to the grammies.

besides, there's tons of awards that get passed out throughout the year. eventually, something you think deserves recognition will most likely get it. so have no fear, if it is truly important that movies you actually understand finally get nominated...for something.


...and I didn't think Shakespeare in Love was that great, either, but what should have won? (assuming you're going to say SPR. ...over Thin Red Line? fuck no, man! ?😀)

 

[Kirby]

lol, internet, you never cease to break the stereotype.

popular -> sucks

-and-

"i like xxxx" -> well, you're not intelligent enough to realize it sucks, SHUT UP AND LOOK AT HOW INTELLIGENT I AM.

 

[zinfamous]

Ahhh, exactly what I expected you to bring up, as I did not grant that you had the intelligence to see the difference.

CoM is an active chase movie. Ink is a journey.
A chase must be defined. A journey can be experienced.
The surroundings define a chase. The path is wholly defined by them. So it is fact-based. Facts come first, which define the path that must be taken to reach the goal.
The journey illuminates its surroundings, so the facts are experience-based. The experience uncovers the facts that underlay the journey.
If the journey does not uncover all the facts, that is fine -- you can lay on faith that they were there.
If the facts do not show the path taken in the chase, though, you are left scratching your head as to why that course to the goal was taken.

In an active chase you are making the decision alongside the character. In a journey you do not know the basis of the decision, you only see the result. From that you must gather the motive.



No, you just weren't smart enough to foresee the answer that was already there.

That you do not see a path does not mean it does not exist. The limits of your mind are not the limits of mine, nor that of reality. We both are bigger than you.

With that brain of yours, you'd do well to learn some caution.

Dude.

you should stick to your pony cartoons. it is all you can understand. film and story structure is beyond you.

your assumptions over my experience, much less my intelligence, is laughable.

you will always be tied to your kiddie cartoons. your perv jap cartoons.

good luck with that, he whose testicles refuse to drop.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

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