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Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: d3n
It all depends on if the Islamic culture is nullified for a while. Weather it be by a resolution of the conflict in Iraq or by the the middle easts internal politics. If the Jihadist and Imams stop screaming for the whole world to be under sharia then I think he will be seen quite favorably along the lines of Regan and Roosevelt. Keep in mind that sharia is fundamentally incompatible with any type of democracy. Also note that Muslims are perfectly willing as is there right to use our democracy to achieve their goal to enact sharia in our own country.

Iraq has no effect on the spread of Sharia law. I don't see how it could.

Not to mention that it was a pretty secular nation prior to our debacle.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: d3n
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: d3n
It all depends on if the Islamic culture is nullified for a while. Weather it be by a resolution of the conflict in Iraq or by the the middle easts internal politics. If the Jihadist and Imams stop screaming for the whole world to be under sharia then I think he will be seen quite favorably along the lines of Regan and Roosevelt. Keep in mind that sharia is fundamentally incompatible with any type of democracy. Also note that Muslims are perfectly willing as is there right to use our democracy to achieve their goal to enact sharia in our own country.

Iraq has no effect on the spread of Sharia law. I don't see how it could.

Bush saw the establishment of a secular government in Iraq as a counterpoint to Islamic governments in the region. These governments all openly or secretly exert influence and promote the continuation of terrorist acts in countries that they have deemed are counter productive to the establishment of sharia. If its not an official policy of the government its almost certainly an objective of powerful interests in these governments. Bush had this in mind when he invaded Iraq. Jihadist know this would set them back a decade or more in their objectives. I realize quite clearly that Bush was just fronting WMDs as reason 1 to go into Iraq. Unfortunately the politics of the day don't let politicians speak clearly. I think the war has been mishandled and question if the objectives could have been accomplished some other way. All in all, right or wrong. I hope that the status quo of this democracy before 9/11/01 prevails.

Which Bush are you talking about ? This Bush has given the Shiite majority in Iraq ( Which has always been very religous. In fact to religous for Saddam when he was in control. ) control of Iraq. Meanwhile Sunnis who for the most part were once pretty secular are now being radicalize ever since we opened the door for Al Qeada and removed Saddam.
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: d3n
It all depends on if the Islamic culture is nullified for a while. Weather it be by a resolution of the conflict in Iraq or by the the middle easts internal politics. If the Jihadist and Imams stop screaming for the whole world to be under sharia then I think he will be seen quite favorably along the lines of Regan and Roosevelt. Keep in mind that sharia is fundamentally incompatible with any type of democracy. Also note that Muslims are perfectly willing as is there right to use our democracy to achieve their goal to enact sharia in our own country.

Iraq has no effect on the spread of Sharia law. I don't see how it could.

Not to mention that it was a pretty secular nation prior to our debacle.

In fact, Saddam would have all the "Islamo-Fascists" killed. :p Good job Bushie.
 

newmachineoverlord

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1. End the drug war, ceasing all federal funds for drug prosecution, incarceration, and persecution both here and abroad. Pardon everyone convicted solely of drug possession with no record of violence.

2. Get out of Iraq. Admit that Iraq was a mistake, and had nothing to do with terrorism.

3. Begin environmentally friendly policies. Require the military to produce more renewable energy than their total energy usage. Publicly admit that nuclear power is nonrenewable.

4. Begin pro-science policies.

5. Declassify documents that were classified for reasons not relating to national security (ie. hiding where the money is going).

6. Begin public works projects for renewable energy, building massive wind farms to provide enough power for all projected demands for the next century, and solar power in the southwest.

7. Begin war on poverty, increase income tax exemption from $5k to 20k.

8. Appoint an independent auditor to find waste in military spending, require the military to keep better track of funds, cut military budget to less than a tenth of the education budget.

9. Confess to all the crimes he's committed, including lying to congress and unlawfully waging a war of aggression in violation of US treaties requiring clear evidence of an imminent threat.

10. Election reform to prevent selective disenfranchisement of demographic groups (ala Florida 2000 purge files), as well as preventing vote hacking, ie requiring all ballots to be on paper, banning all electronic and punch card ballots. Prosecution of Katherine Harris and everyone else involved in the Florida 2000 fraud.

11. Concede the 2000 election.

That would pretty much do it.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I was hoping to get some responses from some the forum's conservatives.


This is a biased question... its already proposing that Bush is the worst president ever. What kind of debate do you expect, if you start out with this type of premise? A liberal "jerk off" is the only type of discussion that this question promotes...

-Eleison

ps. as the libs come out from the wood work while the conservations roll their eyes to yet another "happy jerking" thread, all I can say is enjoy wanking each other off ;-P most conservatives will stay away from this orgy.. but remember to wear protection.. in this world you just don't know where your fellow libs been :) j/k
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I was hoping to get some responses from some the forum's conservatives.


This is a biased question... its already proposing that Bush is the worst president ever. What kind of debate do you expect, if you start out with this type of premise? A liberal "jerk off" is the only type of discussion that this question promotes...

-Eleison

ps. as the libs come out from the wood work while the conservations roll their eyes to yet another "happy jerking" thread, all I can say is enjoy wanking each other off ;-P most conservatives will stay away from this orgy.. but remember to wear protection.. in this world you just don't know where your fellow libs been :) j/k

Not to mention, conservatives shouldn't have ever supported Bush, because Bush is FAR from conservative. Hyperspending hypergovernment wackjob maybe, but conservative? Nah.
 

Pens1566

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Bizarro world.

Short of that, nothing will prevent it. In fact, it will probably get worse as he takes bigger risks going "all in" to improve his legacy. He's never been successful at anything in life, except getting elected. Why should that change now?
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I was hoping to get some responses from some the forum's conservatives.


This is a biased question... its already proposing that Bush is the worst president ever. What kind of debate do you expect, if you start out with this type of premise? A liberal "jerk off" is the only type of discussion that this question promotes...

-Eleison

ps. as the libs come out from the wood work while the conservations roll their eyes to yet another "happy jerking" thread, all I can say is enjoy wanking each other off ;-P most conservatives will stay away from this orgy.. but remember to wear protection.. in this world you just don't know where your fellow libs been :) j/k

When I started this thread I had intended it to spark a dialogue about GWB's Presidency and legacy. My intentions were not for this thread to be a slow ball pitch for GWB's political critics.

How about adding something constructive to the discussion? This forum would be more interesting if there were more dialogue and less poltical attacks.

So what do you think?

Do you think in 50 years GWB will be remembered as one of the best US Presidents? If not, He has two years left in his presidency, what do you think he should do to be remembered as such?

Do you think GWB will be remembered as one the best US Presidents?