Mouthwash before or after brushing?

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moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares, it's a waste of time anyway. But I guess if you do care, do it after.
listerine isn't a waste of time.
according to my dentist, the bacteria is back in full force about an hour after you use it
That's what I was going to question. I can scrape my tongue with a blade and it kills the bacteria on it (well they get scraped off), and they come right back on not long after.
bacteria will regrow. using an antimicrobial rinse periodically doesn't stop the growth for ever. it reduces it, and that will help lessen the chance of gum disease.

 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
My previous dentist actually recommended ACT instead of Listerine. Listerine just stunts the growth of the bacteria but theres no way to completel ykill it. But the ACT stuff does that as well as helping your teeth because it's got flouride and other things in it.

I use Listerine in the mornings and ACT at night :thumbsup:
 

TheNinja

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I always use it BEFORE brushing. I think the bottle that I have (listerine style) says to use it before brushing to loosen up plaque. Ninjas have notoriously bad teeth though. Probably from eating bamboo and shredding apart pirates with our bare teeth. Maybe diffenent mouthwashes are for different times.
 

Joemonkey

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i usually put mouthwash in my mouth while i brush and keep an airtight seal around my toothbrush with my lips...
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares, it's a waste of time anyway. But I guess if you do care, do it after.
listerine isn't a waste of time.
according to my dentist, the bacteria is back in full force about an hour after you use it
first dentist i've ever heard claim that. does he have data to support it?
i'm not a spokesperson for Listerine, but if you brush/floss/rinse and then go to bed for the night i can't see the bacteria having the ammo to come back full force in an hour.
What bacteria are these and what harm are they actually doing? It's a given that mouthwash has little/no effect on one's breath beyond about the five minute mark, since the majority of bad breath is caused by gunk on the tongue, which requires _scraping_ to remove.
they are bacteria that cause gum disease, and Listerine reduces them. something like Scope doesn't. that just makes your breath minty for awhile.

 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
I always use it BEFORE brushing. I think the bottle that I have (listerine style) says to use it before brushing to loosen up plaque. Ninjas have notoriously bad teeth though. Probably from eating bamboo and shredding apart pirates with our bare teeth. Maybe diffenent mouthwashes are for different times.
Well they are from Japan!

 

tami

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Nov 14, 2004
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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: redly
floss, mouthwash, then brush

floss loosens crap and germs
mouthwash kills
brushing clears it away

Your logic is flawed!

indeed.

you brush, then rinse using water, and then use mouthwash. what would be the point of brushing away all the mouthwash (if you did it before)? it's supposed to linger once you rinse out, and it gives you longer lasting minty breath as well.

(if you think otherwise, then maybe you should use mouthwash, then brush, and then use more mouthwash.)
 

tami

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
i usually put mouthwash in my mouth while i brush and keep an airtight seal around my toothbrush with my lips...

that's hardcore, man. truly hardcore.
 

eelw

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The last time this topic was discussed, I was definitely in the minority (like 2%) with gargling before brushing. And I gargle with salt water instead of mouthwash.
 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
My previous dentist actually recommended ACT instead of Listerine. Listerine just stunts the growth of the bacteria but theres no way to completel ykill it. But the ACT stuff does that as well as helping your teeth because it's got flouride and other things in it.

I use Listerine in the mornings and ACT at night :thumbsup:
excellent :D

 
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares, it's a waste of time anyway. But I guess if you do care, do it after.
listerine isn't a waste of time.
according to my dentist, the bacteria is back in full force about an hour after you use it
first dentist i've ever heard claim that. does he have data to support it?
i'm not a spokesperson for Listerine, but if you brush/floss/rinse and then go to bed for the night i can't see the bacteria having the ammo to come back full force in an hour.
well, i doubt he just made it up... and i dont really see why he would have any anti-listerine agenda... but he certainly didnt cite his sources to me while i was in the chair.

regarding brushing, he said it was much better because it disorganizes all the bacteria instead of trying to kill them. its when the bacteria can concentrate that problems start. he told me a good brushing safely disorganizes bacteria for about 24 hours, and to do it 2x just to have some overlap.

iirc, some of the bacteria in the mouth is actually necessary for a healthy mouth, so you dont really want to be killing those anyways (my dentist did not say this, i dont know where i heard it)
 

imported_Reck

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Yea does anyone know anything about those electronic toothbrushes? Are they any good? I've always wondered how your supposed to brush your tongue with one...
 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares, it's a waste of time anyway. But I guess if you do care, do it after.
listerine isn't a waste of time.
according to my dentist, the bacteria is back in full force about an hour after you use it
first dentist i've ever heard claim that. does he have data to support it?
i'm not a spokesperson for Listerine, but if you brush/floss/rinse and then go to bed for the night i can't see the bacteria having the ammo to come back full force in an hour.
well, i doubt he just made it up... and i dont really see why he would have any anti-listerine agenda... but he certainly didnt cite his sources to me while i was in the chair.

regarding brushing, he said it was much better because it disorganizes all the bacteria instead of trying to kill them. its when the bacteria can concentrate that problems start. he told me a good brushing safely disorganizes bacteria for about 24 hours, and to do it 2x just to have some overlap.

iirc, some of the bacteria in the mouth is actually necessary for a healthy mouth, so you dont really want to be killing those anyways (my dentist did not say this, i dont know where i heard it)
what does your dentist think of flossing or rinsing with fluoride daily?

 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Reck
Yea does anyone know anything about those electronic toothbrushes? Are they any good? I've always wondered how your supposed to brush your tongue with one...
shut if off, and brush your tongue manually with it.
 
Nov 7, 2000
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares, it's a waste of time anyway. But I guess if you do care, do it after.
listerine isn't a waste of time.
according to my dentist, the bacteria is back in full force about an hour after you use it
first dentist i've ever heard claim that. does he have data to support it?
i'm not a spokesperson for Listerine, but if you brush/floss/rinse and then go to bed for the night i can't see the bacteria having the ammo to come back full force in an hour.
well, i doubt he just made it up... and i dont really see why he would have any anti-listerine agenda... but he certainly didnt cite his sources to me while i was in the chair.

regarding brushing, he said it was much better because it disorganizes all the bacteria instead of trying to kill them. its when the bacteria can concentrate that problems start. he told me a good brushing safely disorganizes bacteria for about 24 hours, and to do it 2x just to have some overlap.

iirc, some of the bacteria in the mouth is actually necessary for a healthy mouth, so you dont really want to be killing those anyways (my dentist did not say this, i dont know where i heard it)
what does your dentist think of flossing or rinsing with fluoride daily?
flossing is an absolute must, as brushing does not disturb the bacteria that reside btw the teeth. though, he did say doing this nightly was sufficient

he made no mention of fluoride use
 

StageLeft

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Sep 29, 2000
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My dentist was pimping the electronic toothbrushes with the swirling head on the end. the crest (?) cheap ones that have something that looks like it turns do not in fact turn. it just shakes.
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who cares, it's a waste of time anyway. But I guess if you do care, do it after.
listerine isn't a waste of time.
according to my dentist, the bacteria is back in full force about an hour after you use it
first dentist i've ever heard claim that. does he have data to support it?
i'm not a spokesperson for Listerine, but if you brush/floss/rinse and then go to bed for the night i can't see the bacteria having the ammo to come back full force in an hour.
well, i doubt he just made it up... and i dont really see why he would have any anti-listerine agenda... but he certainly didnt cite his sources to me while i was in the chair.

regarding brushing, he said it was much better because it disorganizes all the bacteria instead of trying to kill them. its when the bacteria can concentrate that problems start. he told me a good brushing safely disorganizes bacteria for about 24 hours, and to do it 2x just to have some overlap.

iirc, some of the bacteria in the mouth is actually necessary for a healthy mouth, so you dont really want to be killing those anyways (my dentist did not say this, i dont know where i heard it)
what does your dentist think of flossing or rinsing with fluoride daily?
flossing is an absolute must, as brushing does not disturb the bacteria that reside btw the teeth. though, he did say doing this nightly was sufficient

he made no mention of fluoride use
hopefully he doesn't underestimate the importance of a daily fluoride rinse. everyone should use ACT/fluoriguard or the generic equivalent nightly. it strenghtens the enamel and if you have any recession it strenghtens the exposed root surfaces.

 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
My dentist was pimping the electronic toothbrushes with the swirling head on the end. the crest (?) cheap ones that have something that looks like it turns do not in fact turn. it just shakes.
i'm not big on many electric brushes except Sonicare, Oral-B, or Inter-Plak.

 

Audiotherapy

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I did a test on mouthwash long time ago in AP Biology.

Listerine had the fastest bacteria regrowth, due to its high sugar content.

sruprisingly, the generic brand last longer due it its low sugar content
 

Kalmah

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Oct 2, 2003
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Some mouthwashes are different. It's best to follow the directions on the bottle.

Mouthwashes aren't as affective as they are advertised to be. From my understanding, most of them are made for cosmetic reasons, bad breath and just making your mouth feel clean. Those only kill very few microorganisms in your mouth. I don't believe it will remove plaque anymore than swishing water around your mouth would. Maybe kill some of the bacteria in the plaque, but it wont stop the plaque from turning into calculus I think.

Brushing removes the ingredients in mouthwash from your teeth, reducing affectiveness. So it's typically better to use them after brushing. But some are specifically made to loosen debris and calculus from your teeth before brushing.

So just follow the directions on the bottle.

-A dental assistant in training

 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: audiotherapy
I did a test on mouthwash long time ago in AP Biology.

Listerine had the fastest bacteria regrowth, due to its high sugar content.

sruprisingly, the generic brand last longer due it its low sugar content
there is no sugar in listerine.

 

BrokenVisage

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Jan 29, 2005
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I'm very anal about my teeth since getting 6 cavities in a check-up as a youngin. Now I make sure to brush every night with my Oral-B electric and do the Listerine thing right after, during the day after dinners I tend to chew on a G.U.M flosser/toothpick too. Still got my wisdoms though, hoping all 4 can stay in.
 

chrisms

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Listerine is supposed to be used before brushing to loosen up plaque that a toothbrush would otherwise not be able to remove. I'd assume it would be the same for other mouthwash brands but I could be wrong.

Use it afterwards only if you want green teeth. The point of stuff like listerine is not go give you good breath (for this it is basically worthless) it is to aid in teeth cleaning