Mouse DPI and grip style

[Throckmorton]

I use a fingertip grip and since 1995 I preferred the speed slider in Windows set to max. Then I got a G9 and started gaming at 3200dpi with the slider centered. For some games/weapons I lowered it to 2400dpi.
I now have a Roccat Kone Pure which I set to 3200dpi at the highest setting, because that's what I'm used to. Well for the first time I've tried turning off "enhance pointer precision" along with the registry edit that turns off all acceleration. Now 3200 dpi isn't enough! I upped it to 4800dpi.

I use a fingertip grip, and at that DPI I can easily move the pointer across the screen. It's a bit too high for FPS games and 3200dpi seems to be more accurate for me.

A lot of gamers seem to prefer 800dpi, and some even turn down the speed in games to further reduce speed. How can they move the mouse that much without fatiguing their wrists? Why can't they aim at a higher DPI? I understand you naturally move the mouse more with a palm grip but come on. Why would you choose to flail about unless you lack the dexterity for higher sensitivity?

 

[It's Not Lupus]

low sens gamers usually use a combination of arm and wrist movement on a large mousepad, like the qck+. arm movement is usually for turning, while wrist is for more precise targeting.

it's easier to aim at pixels with a lower sens. errors in aiming are less exaggerated and more easily corrected.

extremely high DPI mice is just marketing hype. at 3200 dpi, that's 0.0079375 mm per dot. are you really that precise?

 

[DigDog]

low sens because everyone's good at being accurate when you are calmly mowing down noobs, but when you have 100ms to fire a rail *somewhere* 150° behind you, having low sens is what makes it happen.

aim400kg.ru/en

go practice. if you can do those exercises with high sens, good for you, see you at Dreamhack.

 

[BrightCandle]

My mouse mat is 48cm (19") wide and 35cm (14") high. I use a Zowie EC1 CL EVO mouse at 400 dpi. In addition to that I typically turn down a games sensitivity somewhat, I target a 360 degree turn around in game to 35cm horizontal stroke, so while on my mat its possible to turn a full 360 degrees in any one direction I only have about 180. I also obviously have mouse acceleration off.

I move my entire arm and do fine adjustments with my wrist, using a grip somewhere between a palm and a fingertip grip. Simply put I am more accurate this way and even considering going even lower on the sensitivity.

 

[BlueWeasel]

What's the difference between claw and fingertip grip? I've always thought them to be the same.

 

[BFG10K]

1000dpi + claw grip. My mouse does up to 2500dpi but I find anything over 1000dpi unusable.

 

[Throckmorton]

What's the difference between claw and fingertip grip? I've always thought them to be the same.

I thought so too until recently. Fingertip is using only your fingertips. Claw is using mainly fingertips but also touching the mouse with your palm

http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/advantage

 

[Throckmorton]

low sens gamers usually use a combination of arm and wrist movement on a large mousepad, like the qck+. arm movement is usually for turning, while wrist is for more precise targeting.

it's easier to aim at pixels with a lower sens. errors in aiming are less exaggerated and more easily corrected.

extremely high DPI mice is just marketing hype. at 3200 dpi, that's 0.0079375 mm per dot. are you really that precise?

I can't target an individual pixel quickly, nor would I want to. I do need to make smooth precise lines for photo editing, in which case I turn down sensitivity. There's no way I'd be able to game at 800 dpi 1:1 because I'd have to move the mouse with my whole arm. I keep my wrist planted on the wrist rest and move the mouse with my fingertips, only occasionally lifting

 

[BrightCandle]

The difference between a claw and fingertip is about the angle of the fingers.

A fingertip grip is one where the fingers lay across the back of the mouse, so your effectively gripping the mouse mostly with your fingertips and the backs of your main mouse button fingers.

A claw grip on the other hand often has the palm touching the mouse, but the key distinction is that the fingers on the mouse buttons are sharply up from the back of the mouse and are pointing down to the buttons with the joints above.

A lot of people are somewhere between these two grips dependent on the angle of the buttons, the length of the mouse and other factors.

 

[Throckmorton]

The difference between a claw and fingertip is about the angle of the fingers.

A fingertip grip is one where the fingers lay across the back of the mouse, so your effectively gripping the mouse mostly with your fingertips and the backs of your main mouse button fingers.

A claw grip on the other hand often has the palm touching the mouse, but the key distinction is that the fingers on the mouse buttons are sharply up from the back of the mouse and are pointing down to the buttons with the joints above.

A lot of people are somewhere between these two grips dependent on the angle of the buttons, the length of the mouse and other factors.

I can't physically lay the backs of my fingers on the mouse without it being a palm grip...

I grip the mouse with my thumb, ring, and pinky fingers. Then the pointer and index curve down to the buttons. No palm touching

All my fingers work to move the mouse along with my wrist

 

[Stuka87]

I use a Razer Imperator (6400dpi) with a modified claw grip (basically between a claw and finger tip). I really like the mouse, and play lots of game types. I do not move my arm when mousing. Its all wrist and fingers.

 

[Stuka87]

1000dpi + claw grip. My mouse does up to 2500dpi but I find anything over 1000dpi unusable.

Turn your mouse sensitivity in game/windows down. This allows you to turn the DPI up. That way you have high accuracy without having the cursor move at light speed across the screen.

 

[Throckmorton]

Turn your mouse sensitivity in game/windows down. This allows you to turn the DPI up. That way you have high accuracy without having the cursor move at light speed across the screen.

Is that beneficial?

I believe the best is to set Windows to notch 6, so that 1 pixel on the mouse is equal to 1 pixel on the screen. The sensor is still higher DPI than your setting. Let's say you have a 3200 dpi mouse that you set to 1600 dpi. The mouse knows when you've moved it 1/3200th of an inch, but it won't tell Windows to move the cursor 1 pixel until you've moved it 1/1600th of an inch. Right?

How would it help to have the mouse tell Windows you moved 1 pixel, then another pixel? Either way Windows won't react to the movement until you've moved the 1/1600th of an inch.

Maybe if you turn down the sensitivity in some games, they can recognize a movement of less than 1 pixel even though that has no on-screen result?

 

[ThinClient]

LOL at gamers who play at stupid high DPI.

 

[Throckmorton]

LOL at gamers who play at stupid high DPI.

LOL at ogres grasping their mice like clubs flailing around to aim the gun a few degrees


Seriously, I don't understand how anyone has the physical ability to aim by moving their whole arm. How can your elbow/shoulder do that?

 

[meob]

I think it's been established that high dpi on a mouse does not make it more accurate

 

[It's Not Lupus]

I can't target an individual pixel quickly, nor would I want to. I do need to make smooth precise lines for photo editing, in which case I turn down sensitivity.

lol

 

[Throckmorton]

I think it's been established that high dpi on a mouse does not make it more accurate

The mouse is more precise. The question is whether the user is more precise mousing with wrist and fingertips, or with the whole arm, shoulder, etc


It's like the steering wheel in a vehicle. Can you make more precise adjustments in direction with a big unsensitive semi truck steering wheel? Yes. But that doesn't mean you want a steering setup like that in your sports car. Typically sports cars have smaller wheels with higher sensitivity

 

[MongGrel]

Trackball.

Silly mice

 

[ThinClient]

LOL at ogres grasping their mice like clubs flailing around to aim the gun a few degrees


Seriously, I don't understand how anyone has the physical ability to aim by moving their whole arm. How can your elbow/shoulder do that?

duh, by moving them and not being a pussy with a weeny arm.

Doing so means I can make ridiculously precise corrections to shoot out the left eye instead of the right eye if I only use my finger tips.

 

[futurefields]

funny how people still dont understand DPI in 2014, jacking their mice up to several thousand dpi

the best sensors in the world are low dpi optical sensors

 

[JamesV]

Your poll is whacked.

Low sens gamers like me go from 300-800. 1600 is stupidly high for a low sensitivity gamer.

Granted the last game I've been 'pro' at was Tribes (#7), but I did that low sens, and didn't need to spin 180 because it wasn't a rat-maze shooter. I consistently kick ass in any shooter I play at low sens, and any so called pros saying higher is better cause they can 180 spin kill people are full of *

 

[Throckmorton]

low sens because everyone's good at being accurate when you are calmly mowing down noobs, but when you have 100ms to fire a rail *somewhere* 150° behind you, having low sens is what makes it happen.

aim400kg.ru/en

go practice. if you can do those exercises with high sens, good for you, see you at Dreamhack.

Mouse accel on
3200dpi 5700 (probably because it was the first time)
2400 dpi scored 17400.

Accel off
4800dpi 16000
2400dpi 19400
3200dpi -4200 (seriously fatigued and stressed by this stupid game)

 

[ThinClient]

Mouse accel on
3200dpi 5700 (probably because it was the first time)
2400 dpi scored 17400.

Accel off
4800dpi 16000
2400dpi 19400
3200dpi -4200 (seriously fatigued and stressed by this stupid game)

16k

I play at 650 DPI.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

When I was good at sniping, I used to be able to hit anywhere on the screen with a slight tap of my hand; I would frequently be called a cheater. I still prefer rather high DPI I guess my joints aren't very good from medical issues, but I have an extreme amount of dexterity; I don't like having to move a lot in any regard. I think my grip is claw, mouse has to fit me just right for that though, which leaves me very picky for mice.