Mountain Lion program on Discovery Channel last night (rant on hunting hicks)

[tcsenter]

I'm sure training dogs to hunt is a challenge, but their actual act of hunting as the show depicted it had nothing sporty or challenging about it. They might as well have gone to the zoo to shoot animals in their cages

Wait a minute, you are relying upon a program which aired on a channel that is notorious for its questionable portrayal of anything which doesn't fit well within the left-leaning environmentalist ideology, the promotion of which is the channel's SOLE reason for existing?

I didn't see the program, but let me tell you, I've seen the butcher job routinely done by BBC sponsored programs that are produced for the Discovery Channel, among others. One in particular depicted coyote hunting and hunters in a way that was fantastically prejudicial and if I could prove the 'hunters' interviewed were in fact 'actors' portraying hunters as the producers wanted you to perceive hunters, I would. Conveniently, these alleged 'hunters' wanted their identity kept secret so they wore masks that were, ironically, of the type commonly worn by turkey or bow hunters. These were allegedly coyote hunters using rifles.

My only evidence is having been around hunters and hunting for all of my 31 years and having NEVER met anyone like the hunters 'portrayed' in this program.

Perhaps you might be interested in participating in a real Mountain Lion hunt to find out first hand just how 'sporting' or 'challenging' it is instead of implicitly trusting that what you're being told is the truth.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: billgates380

Originally posted by: Desslok Sniper Rifles? You could put a scope on a .22 and call it a sniper rifle. Your ignorance is showing Gates. The hunter did nothing to track the lion? They trained the damn dogs you fool. You ahve no idea on how much time and energy that takes. They were "most likely drunk"?? So you are a expert in making that call by watching a TV show on a topic you know nothing about?

The show noted that the dogs were very expensive - how do you know any more about this than I do? How do you know they didn't buy those dogs pre-trained, just to go and act manly shooting stationary animals from trees?

Ok so they bought the dogs? So what? Even if you have trained dogs you have to have some hunting know how to use them correctly.

You can't answer my question on how you knew they were drunk can you? Didn't think so. Who is the ignorant hick then? Hmmmm

 

[Lucky]

they probably don't really NEED to hunt for food.

So your problem with hunting, is that you believe that only those on the brink of starving should be able to hunt?

 

[BillGates]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: billgates380

Originally posted by: Desslok Sniper Rifles? You could put a scope on a .22 and call it a sniper rifle. Your ignorance is showing Gates. The hunter did nothing to track the lion? They trained the damn dogs you fool. You ahve no idea on how much time and energy that takes. They were "most likely drunk"?? So you are a expert in making that call by watching a TV show on a topic you know nothing about?

The show noted that the dogs were very expensive - how do you know any more about this than I do? How do you know they didn't buy those dogs pre-trained, just to go and act manly shooting stationary animals from trees?

Ok so they bought the dogs? So what? Even if you have trained dogs you have to have some hunting know how to use them correctly.

You can't answer my question on how you knew they were drunk can you? Didn't think so. Who is the ignorant hick then? Hmmmm

Dude, stopping a truck at the side of the road, taking 4 dogs out of their kennels in the back of the truck, and releasing them into the woods, then following barking sounds does not take any special talent or "know how to use them correctly." Neither does shooting a 4 foot wide target 20 feet above you with a big ass scope.

On the other hand, if they followed paw prints in the snow, noted fresh scratch marks on trees, and came upon a cave, whereby they beat the animal with sticks and stones, they'd be truly hunting for sport or at least having BALLS. It seriously could not have been any easier for them to hunt that lion than the way that they did it unless they were at the zoo, like I said earlier.

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tscenter - it could have very well been scripted, I guess I will never know. I just mentioned this whole thing because I felt it was a wussy way to hunt a cool animal, and then consider it "sport." I'm all for keeping poplulations of dangerous animals out of cities and protecting livestock, etc but this is nature we're talking about and they have to eat too.

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Lucky - I don't think that hunting should be limited to those who are nearly starving. It is a great option for people with the natural resources that enable them to live off the land in this way.

However, my whole point is that these guys were supposedly hunting for sport, (again, basically for fun and thrills), yet went about it in a way that took away all challenge and thrill of tracking and killing an animal by yourself.

I really don't have anything against hunting at all, even sport hunting, but they could have gone about their whole hunt with a little more skill and effort.

(poaching still pisses me off though, but that's another subject)

 

[farscape]

Yes, as Toro 45 pointed out -

Woman jogger was killed by a lion. 'Animal rights' people were so whooped up after the lion was killed that they raised a small fortune to take care of the orphaned cubs. Narry a cent was raised to take care of the woman's orphaned children.

No - mountain lions are not endangered.

The dogs are a tool just as a gun is a tool in the hunt. Hunting with dogs is a time honored method of retrieving game, although not as widely used as in the past. I don't advocate it, but I'm not going to denounce someones legal method of hunting. If they did it out of season, without proper permits, and in an illegal way, then put them away.

 

[Electric Amish]

I think it's ok sometimes when the animals are being crowded by human developements, but only if the animals cannot be relocated.

Most of the people that hunt cougars/mountain lions with dogs are the same pussies that bait bears while hiding up in a tree and shoot the bears when they come to the bait.

To me, that's not hunting. That's shooting. Just like chumming while fishing, which is illegal, is not fishing.

I have no problem with people hunting legally. For sport hunting, at least make it challenge.

amish

 

[BillGates]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I think it's ok sometimes when the animals are being crowded by human developements, but only if the animals cannot be relocated.

Most of the people that hunt cougars/mountain lions with dogs are the same pussies that bait bears while hiding up in a tree and shoot the bears when they come to the bait.

To me, that's not hunting. That's shooting. Just like chumming while fishing, which is illegal, is not fishing.

I have no problem with people hunting legally. For sport hunting, at least make it challenge.

amish

At least somebody understood what I was talking about - plus these guys were in the middle of Montana, probably no real danger of wildlife coming into populated areas.

 

[Pooteh]

i'ma good conservahtiv. i hunt me lions with baited landmines and machine guns. wooweee!!!

 

[JupiterJones]

The dogs ended up chasing a mountain lion into a tree and when the hunters arrived, one guy pulled out a rifle with a giant scope and shot it out of the tree.

Most of the people that hunt cougars/mountain lions with dogs are the same pussies that bait bears while hiding up in a tree and shoot the bears when they come to the bait.

What one rarely hears in these discussions is the answer to a very basic question: Why do I hunt?

Some would suggest that man possesses a "killer instinct", and that it is this that makes one hunt. What is a "killer instinct," if it exists at all? I think the principal manifestation of the killer instinct is simply the enjoyment of killing. This is not an attractive idea for most people, and a great majority, if asked directly, will maintain that they do not enjoy killing either animals or people. A lot of us are hunters, and while we feel no enmity towards those beasts we kill, we cannot deny the visceral thrill that comes from a well-placed shot and an instant stop.

This is a very deep and very ancient attribute of the predatory carnivore which is man. While I always try to eat whatever I shoot, I do not hunt for food. Nor do I hunt primarily for trophies. I prefer the taste of wild venison to that of domestic stock, and I prize a prime trophy well taken, but that is not the whole story. I hunt because I enjoy it.

Western Europeans tend to be shy about this subject, but the Bantu are not so. In Africa today when the hunter places a clean hit and hears the Kugelschlag, the locals in his company customarily grunt out the shout, "Shakazulu!"

The bambiists and the bunny huggers naturally view all this with horror, and they are entitled to that attitude as their choice. They are wrong, however, in assuming that most people are horrified at the notion of taking life. Some are and some are not, but the notion that because A does not share the emotions of B he is automatically "illegal, immoral, and fattening" is unsound. Hunters kill normally and frequently and thus have an improved perspective on life and death.

 

[BillGates]

Originally posted by: PastorDon
The dogs ended up chasing a mountain lion into a tree and when the hunters arrived, one guy pulled out a rifle with a giant scope and shot it out of the tree.

Most of the people that hunt cougars/mountain lions with dogs are the same pussies that bait bears while hiding up in a tree and shoot the bears when they come to the bait.

What one rarely hears in these discussions is the answer to a very basic question: Why do I hunt?

Some would suggest that man possesses a "killer instinct", and that it is this that makes one hunt. What is a "killer instinct," if it exists at all? I think the principal manifestation of the killer instinct is simply the enjoyment of killing. This is not an attractive idea for most people, and a great majority, if asked directly, will maintain that they do not enjoy killing either animals or people. A lot of us are hunters, and while we feel no enmity towards those beasts we kill, we cannot deny the visceral thrill that comes from a well-placed shot and an instant stop.

This is a very deep and very ancient attribute of the predatory carnivore which is man. While I always try to eat whatever I shoot, I do not hunt for food. Nor do I hunt primarily for trophies. I prefer the taste of wild venison to that of domestic stock, and I prize a prime trophy well taken, but that is not the whole story. I hunt because I enjoy it.

Western Europeans tend to be shy about this subject, but the Bantu are not so. In Africa today when the hunter places a clean hit and hears the Kugelschlag, the locals in his company customarily grunt out the shout, "Shakazulu!"

The bambiists and the bunny huggers naturally view all this with horror, and they are entitled to that attitude as their choice. They are wrong, however, in assuming that most people are horrified at the notion of taking life. Some are and some are not, but the notion that because A does not share the emotions of B he is automatically "illegal, immoral, and fattening" is unsound. Hunters kill normally and frequently and thus have an improved perspective on life and death.

Interesting insights, and very well put. Nice job.