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Moto's quarterly, $80 million loss, 200K tablets sold

They (incorrectly) think that Motorola's patents will shield them from the Apple patent war onslaught.
Which is interesting because the second Google releases Google hardware, it will alienate secondary manufacturers like HTC and Samsung.
 
Patranus said:
They (incorrectly) think that Motorola's patents will shield them from the Apple patent war onslaught.
Which is interesting because the second Google releases Google hardware, it will alienate secondary manufacturers like HTC and Samsung.
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Umm Google hasn't been sued by Apple.
 
zerocool84 said:
Umm Google hasn't been sued by Apple.
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Most of the third party manufacturers that use Android have either been sued by Apple or have filed a suit against Apple and been subsequently counter-sued. Google's strategy is to buy Motorola and extend the patents that Motorola owns to those third parties.

Perhaps the Motorola brand is also worth something, but it's mostly patents.
 
Motorola has 19,000 employees and just posted $3.4 Billion in revenues. Google cannot and will not just let them die and just use them for patents. They have to go out and get better hardware and devices which will invariably push them head on against Samsung and HTC.

2013 is going to be interesting year for Mobile phones and tablets for sure.
 
Moto just seems to be missing with its hardware, even with the huge support it gets from VZW. The offerings of this year have just been off, and not really tailored to the wants of the customer.
Plus they seem out to piss off the phone geeks.

Astounding that Android is growing so much, Moto phones are heavily featured by VZW, and they are still managing to lose money.

If I were a shareholder I would be calling for Jha's head.
 
crisscross said:
They have to go out and get better hardware and devices which will invariably push them head on against Samsung and HTC.
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That's the problem. If Google utilizes Motorola hardware effectively, it will alienate their other hardware partners. If Google doesn't, they spent a lot of money a lot of patents.
 
Mopetar said:
That's the problem. If Google utilizes Motorola hardware effectively, it will alienate their other hardware partners. If Google doesn't, they spent a lot of money a lot of patents.
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So far, HTC and Samsung have basically said its irrelevant.
 
Bitek said:
Moto just seems to be missing with its hardware, even with the huge support it gets from VZW. The offerings of this year have just been off, and not really tailored to the wants of the customer.
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this

They did good with the OG droid and the DX, then they released crap till the razor max
 
I wonder how other Android OEMS like competing against Motorola, now that their unprofitable business is effectively subsidized by Google.
 
smartpatrol said:
I wonder how other Android OEMS like competing against Motorola, now that their unprofitable business is effectively subsidized by Google.
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I'm sure they're not thrilled. But what are they going to do? Stop making Android phones? WP7 sales and marketshare are too small to focus solely on that.
 
since all other phone makers now put their crap skins on, there's no more need for motoblur to "differentiate" moto phones in the market. they should stick with stock android, that would be plenty different from what is out there.
 
Heh, I love all the 'Google angered all their hardware partners' talk by buying Moto . . .even though those same partners have released statements stating its irrelevant and that they have no plans to abandon Android in the foreseeable future. Whats the tech pundit equivalent of an 'arm chair commander'? 😛
 
Bateluer said:
Heh, I love all the 'Google angered all their hardware partners' talk by buying Moto . . .even though those same partners have released statements stating its irrelevant and that they have no plans to abandon Android in the foreseeable future. Whats the tech pundit equivalent of an 'arm chair commander'? 😛
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Did you actually read the responses?

They all said almost the identical same thing, and several of them did, it was a scripted public response.

TBH, I don't think Page really knows what they're going to do with the manufacturing division of MOTO.
 
Pliablemoose said:
Did you actually read the responses?

They all said almost the identical same thing, and several of them did, it was a scripted public response.
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Yep. And then they detailed their roadmaps for the next two years. Pretty much all Android. 🙂

TBH, I don't think Page really knows what they're going to do with the manufacturing division of MOTO.
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Also true. A single phone a year, priced between 199-299 with carrier subsidies, out of Moto isn't going to shake things up. Competition between Moto/HTC/Samsung will still exist under that route, and the customer would likely just have the choice of a vanilla Android phone. If HTC/Samsung are worried that customers would choose the unskinned device over their bloated offerings, that's a separate issue. 😛
 
I think Page would actually like to build some industry leading devices with Moto, but they're going to let them stumble along so as to not piss off Samsung et al. I don't think he's happy with that, though. From what I've read, he'd really like to shake up telecom, as would Brin, but market forces and the status quo keep them from doing something that would be so disruptive.
 
I think if you want to break the telecom, you have to force removal and eliminate carrier subsidies. That would eliminate 2yr contracts. But that will never happen. Both the manufacturers and the carriers make too much money from the current setup.
 
Moto simply needs to stop flooding the market as fast as they are now. Make fewer devices, all high quality. They also need to make high end devices for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint.

Ideally they would also drop Blur, but we know that's not going to happen.
 
If Google really wanted to shake up the market, they'd enable VOIP through Google Voice, and sell handsets directly to consumers and either buy Sprint or T-Mobile, and sell just data plans for the phones at a reasonable price.
 
Pliablemoose said:
If Google really wanted to shake up the market, they'd enable VOIP through Google Voice, and sell handsets directly to consumers and either buy Sprint or T-Mobile, and sell just data plans for the phones at a reasonable price.
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We can dream. But we have wished this since Nexus One but it doesn't seem like it will ever happen.
 
Sell Moto, and everything (bar the patents intellectual property and associated intangible assets). This includes the fixed assets used in making phones, the marketing dept., R&D, etc. It makes no sense for Google to be an Apple (,i.e. make phones and an OS) due to other Android phone makers. Samsung, which now is flexing its muscles as arguably the #1 phone maker, would cry favouritism is Motorola made the next Nexus phone, or even a brand new line of Android/Google-made and branded phones.

Besides, does Google need to make phones? They have almost a Windows-esque hold of Web searching (since Lycos/Ask Jeeves and the like died in the early 2000s, has anybody used anything else than Google?) They have the best selling mobile OS, and arguably the most used Web-based e-mail client (if not the most used, then certainly well entrenched with Hotmail and Yahoo). Let's not forget Google Voice, Google Earth, Google Maps, etc. With so many market leading products, they can just kick back and lie in the sun. Making phones is not strictly needed.
 
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