Motortrend Track Test of the 2005 Mustang GT

MasterAndCommander

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Exclusive First Track Test

We've got the numbers...and they're good

Don't ask us how, but we had our way with a 2005 Mustang GT five-speed automtaic just long enough to gather real test numbers and send this pony back to the barn wet. To say we're please with the results would be like saying it'd be cool to have Jay Leno's garage keys for a day.

Here's the deal from our man behind the wheel: From a stop, the 2005 GT launches with unexpected ferocity at under two seconds to 30 mph. Normaly, this king of urgent getaway is reserved for cars with clutch pedals and DIY gear boxes. Using a brake-torquing technique at over 2000rpm, the new Pirelli tires favor a liberal amount of wheelspin, easily modulated with the throttle. The P Zero Neros hook up more readily than the Goodyear Eagles on previous Mustangs, which tend to alternately spin in vain or bog-'n'-go depending on launch rpm. The new engine revs quickly pas the indicated 6000 rpm readline and shifts just shy of the "real" 6200 limit. First, second, and third gearsl are tightly spaced and snap off upshifts nearly as rapidly as a Mercedes AMG SpeedShift automtaic. Forth and fifth gears, however, are performance-stinking black holes slowing hte otherwise energetic acceleration curve.

The 2005 GT is quicker than all but the current supercharged SVT Cobra, and, even so, only by a 0.2 to 0.3 second margin. With a 5.1 second run to 60 mph, the new Mustang outruns a compareable 1999-2004 GT four-speed automatic by nearly a full second. A same-gen five-speed manual GT managed only a 5.4 0-60 , and an automatic Mach 1 mustered a 5.6 second best. Similar story in the quter mile: THe new car's 13.6 second time is about half to a full second better. It's 99.9 mph trap speed is just shjy where most current-gen Mustangs run. We suspect the new car's deep, high-fuel-milage fourth and fifth gears are to blame.

What would a manual trans GT be good for? Estimates on automatic-to-stick-shift conversion factors vary, but this auto's close 1-2-3 gearing keeps the engien boiling, so the difference may not be as much as you think. It's safe tos ay a self-shifting GT is a sub five second runner, likely in the 4.8-4.9 second range.

In the salom, the new Mustang feels altogether more precise, predictable, and stable than the car it replaces. The firmer platform is better suited to allowing hte suspensions and tires to do thier jobs more effectively. Where the old car slides as a whole past each cone (unpredictably at that), the 2005 bites hard on intial turn-in, transfers weight in the blink of an eye, and manages rear roll-steer better. Just a hint of opposite-direction wheel input brings the rear end back in line with an authoritative snap ready for the next cone. The best run was over 66 mph, better than any previous Mustang except the race-ready Cobra R of 2000. In typical Mustang fashion, the new car lapses into terminal understeer in the slower-speed skidpad test, but still managed a Cobra like 0.84g orbit.

In case you're wondering how the new Mustang stacks up agaisnt the GTO: The American pony is faster and nimbler than the Australian-bred goat-automatic or manual-but a retest will be in order as soon as we can get our hands on the upcoming 400-horse Pontiac-Chris Walton.
 

Chadder007

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"" It's safe tos ay a self-shifting GT is a sub five second runner, likely in the 4.8-4.9 second range.""
Holy crap!!! Then why even produce the Cobra? It can't possibly be much quicker than that even.
Except the cobra surely will be faster 0-100 and control better.
 

RagingBITCH

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Errr.........I love the Mustang but is MT kidding? The 305hp automatic 4.6 3v beat out the LS1 powered what, 345hp GTO? That's sweet!
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
"" It's safe tos ay a self-shifting GT is a sub five second runner, likely in the 4.8-4.9 second range.""
Holy crap!!! Then why even produce the Cobra? It can't possibly be much quicker than that even.
Except the cobra surely will be faster 0-100.

You can bet that the new Cobra will be faster.

The 05 GT fails to match the current Cobra, you can bet the 06 Cobra (or whenever the new Cobra is released) will be even quicker than the current Cobra.

Viper GTS
 

MasterAndCommander

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Errr.........I love the Mustang but is MT kidding? The 305hp automatic 4.6 3v beat out the LS1 powered what, 345hp GTO? That's sweet!


She's been under-rated. Folks at Steeda have been dynoing a bone stock one at nearly 324HP.

When I saw this review, I nearly peed in my pants :D :D :D

Argh...I can't wait for the 8 to 10 weeks its gonna take for my baby to come it.
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Errr.........I love the Mustang but is MT kidding? The 305hp automatic 4.6 3v beat out the LS1 powered what, 345hp GTO? That's sweet!


She's been under-rated. Folks at Steeda have been dynoing a bone stock one at nearly 324HP.

When I say this review, I nearly peed in my pants :D :D :D

Argh...I can't wait for the 8 to 10 weeks its gonna take for my baby to come it.

Dynoing that at the wheel? Damn that's gonna be fun!

Viper GTS
 

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nice.. i love the new body style too.. looks like a 69 to me.
only thing i HATE are the new gauges... they are too retro... need a full Autometer gauge set in there to replace that fugly set..
 

MasterAndCommander

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Errr.........I love the Mustang but is MT kidding? The 305hp automatic 4.6 3v beat out the LS1 powered what, 345hp GTO? That's sweet!


She's been under-rated. Folks at Steeda have been dynoing a bone stock one at nearly 324HP.

When I say this review, I nearly peed in my pants :D :D :D

Argh...I can't wait for the 8 to 10 weeks its gonna take for my baby to come it.

Dynoing that at the wheel? Damn that's gonna be fun!

Viper GTS

Oh sorry, I should have clarified...it's like 274 HP at the wheel. Using the 15% loss rule, they've estimated it in the 320's at the crank.
 

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In case you're wondering how the new Mustang stacks up agaisnt the GTO: The American pony is faster and nimbler than the Australian-bred goat-automatic or manual-but a retest will be in order as soon as we can get our hands on the upcoming 400-horse Pontiac-Chris Walton

Shens.
 

MasterAndCommander

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If I remember correctly, the goat is rather heavy? Maybe the 'stang has better power to weight ratio?
It also has the live rear axle which makes it ideal for the drag strip since it won't hop.
 

CVSiN

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Steeda/Saleen control arms soon as they are available will solve any problem the mustang has in traction
 

acemcmac

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1) link please

2) wow... its a shame I'm buying a powerboat for my toy.... I knew it would come together.... :)
 
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Imagine that, Ford resurrects two of their icons and both turn out to be amazing and could once again shape the automotive landscape.

Between the GT and the new Mustang, it looks like Ford is getting something right. Have you looked at a Ford lately? I have a feeling a lot more people will with their new stuff.
 

Dr. Detroit

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GTO is heavy at 3600lbs and runs a 13.6 - 13.8 1/4 stock. No replacement for displacement and with 5.7L you can get a lot of HP from a few mods.

Guranteed the GTO has a better backseat and a better all around interior plus you get exclusivity with the GTO as you will not be confused at the stoplight with just another mass produced rental car fleet V6 'stang.

Pontiac is expected to sell a whopping 5,000 units in 2004, the '05 Mustang will sell over 100,000.






 

MasterAndCommander

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Originally posted by: Fmr12B
GTO is heavy at 3600lbs and runs a 13.6 - 13.8 1/4 stock. No replacement for displacement and with 5.7L you can get a lot of HP from a few mods.

Guranteed the GTO has a better backseat and a better all around interior plus you get exclusivity with the GTO as you will not be confused at the stoplight with just another mass produced rental car fleet V6 'stang.

Pontiac is expected to sell a whopping 5,000 units in 2004, the '05 Mustang will sell over 100,000.

Yeah...the GTO will be confused at the stoplight as just another Grand Prix/ Grand AM, etc. :D

Don't get me wrong...it's a fine car, just so bland...hence its poor sales. Hopefully the 6.0L, 400HP, 2005 Model with hood scoops will help it out. I would love to see the return of all the muscle cars (GTO, Camaro, Charger, etc.). Having said that,
GTO ~ $33K
Mustang GT ~ $25K

They are in different classes.
 

LordMorpheus

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Originally posted by: Fmr12B
GTO is heavy at 3600lbs and runs a 13.6 - 13.8 1/4 stock. No replacement for displacement and with 5.7L you can get a lot of HP from a few mods.

Guranteed the GTO has a better backseat and a better all around interior plus you get exclusivity with the GTO as you will not be confused at the stoplight with just another mass produced rental car fleet V6 'stang.

Pontiac is expected to sell a whopping 5,000 units in 2004, the '05 Mustang will sell over 100,000.

The new mustang is much more agressively styled than the GTO.

I'd take an '05 mustang over the GTO any day . . . . They are dead sexy.

But I'd rather have a GT.

 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: theNEOone
wow. just wow. this was going to be my car, *sniff. too bad i was impatient.


=|

Leave the keys in the car running - maybe someone will steal it :p
 

theNEOone

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: theNEOone
wow. just wow. this was going to be my car, *sniff. too bad i was impatient.


=|

Leave the keys in the car running - maybe someone will steal it :p
uhh, keep your mouth shut damnit.


=|
 

EvilYoda

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Great read...but for me, on one hand I got a GTO...amazing rate, I doubt that I could ever get the Pony car for this price...but performance might not be as hot. The Mustang might outrun me by a bit...but there will be one around every corner around here (SE Detroit...high schoolers, grandmas and Ford employees are lining up as we speak).

I'm just comforting myself. ;) But it's okay, I love my goat.
 

Nebor

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Man, does anybody remember the what... 8 years that the Mustang GT was just the whipping boy for the F-bodies? They weren't even close in performance.

The sad part is, my once GT smacking Lightning will now be smacked by GTs. :(
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Man, does anybody remember the what... 8 years that the Mustang GT was just the whipping boy for the F-bodies? They weren't even close in performance.

The sad part is, my once GT smacking Lightning will now be smacked by GTs. :(

The GT still hasn't caught up to what the F-Body was when it died. The Cobra has, but at $15K more.

Sadly the "pretty" car with the more practical layout won the pony war, & not the car with the true performance.

Viper GTS