Motorola to enable unlockable bootloaders 'where carriers and...allow' in 2011

Bateluer

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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/04/2...der-stance-plans-to-unlock-portfolio-in-2011/

“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”

Guessing this comes as Moto PR wipes egg off their faces after their FB poll. :p
 
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Bateluer

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People must be jaded and used to getting their hopes up on the Moto Bootloader defect.
 

s44

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The Facebook poll was epic. My prediction: AT&T users still get screwed.

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simonizor

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My guess would be that they locked it down in the first place to make it more appealing to the carriers and did not anticipate anyone to really care about it. Were they ever wrong.. lol
 

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My guess is down the road, when the TouchPad comes out, the PlayBook has matured, ASUS Transformer has transformed the world, the relevance of a XOOM bootloader would be next to nothing...
 
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The Facebook poll was epic. My prediction: AT&T users still get screwed.

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It's already known that Motorola sucks on Verizon's left tit to survive. It's not that AT&T is getting screwed over. No carrier wants Motorola. You see the Milestone 2 having any popularity overseas? Check out the XDA forum... lol.
 

simonizor

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It's already known that Motorola sucks on Verizon's left tit to survive. It's not that AT&T is getting screwed over. No carrier wants Motorola. You see the Milestone 2 having any popularity overseas? Check out the XDA forum... lol.

That's just not true. Pretty much all of Motorola's "Droid" series of phones have been very popular.
 

fbrdphreak

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While that's good news, as someone shopping right now that doesn't help me. If Moto were to confirm their next dual-core phone was going to be unlocked, that would put them far higher on my list. Ah well, we'll see.
 

vshah

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first sony and now moto. i hope HTC feels pressured to do the same. even if it is only for off-contract devices, that would be good enough for me.
 

destrekor

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While that's good news, as someone shopping right now that doesn't help me. If Moto were to confirm their next dual-core phone was going to be unlocked, that would put them far higher on my list. Ah well, we'll see.

Here's to hoping the Droid Bionic gets this treatment.
I believe it was previously described as featuring a fully locked bootloader.
Perhaps they can re-engineer the phone with this unlockable bootloader, or maybe, just maybe, it was destined to be on there to begin with. Since it has yet to launch, do we really know the official bootloader on the device, or is it just assumed it will feature the same bootloader as the Atrix (which is completely locked, yes?). Given Verizon permitted the unlockable bootloader on the Xoom, and allowed the original Droid from Moto to be completely unlocked... I guess maybe I'm just hopeful on this, considering everything else about the Bionic syncs up with my wishlist. :D
 

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I'll believe it when I see it. Until they do I will keep associating Moto with locked bootloaders, untimely updates, poor UI skins and irremovable bloatware.

Tying up almost exclusively to Verizon was a bad idea for Moto. The Atrix was first non Verizon high end phone and they went to AT&T, the would have had much better sales on Sprint or on T-Mobile as the latter don't have such a saturated Android line up and no iphone to compete against.
 

WelshBloke

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That's just not true. Pretty much all of Motorola's "Droid" series of phones have been very popular.

No he's right, Motorola isn't that popular outside of the US.

HTC is certainly more popular in Europe and has been for a while.
 

simonizor

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No he's right, Motorola isn't that popular outside of the US.

HTC is certainly more popular in Europe and has been for a while.
No offence, but I don't give a rat's ass about the cell phone market in Europe. It's completely different than the market here in th US. It's far more open, and you can use pretty much any phone on any network. The US market is far more locked down, so comparing the two doesn't really work. Motorola's products were designed to compete in the US market; not the European one.
 

WelshBloke

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No offence, but I don't give a rat's ass about the cell phone market in Europe. It's completely different than the market here in th US. It's far more open, and you can use pretty much any phone on any network. The US market is far more locked down, so comparing the two doesn't really work. Motorola's products were designed to compete in the US market; not the European one.


Err ok?

Its just he said

You see the Milestone 2 having any popularity overseas?

You said

That's just not true. Pretty much all of Motorola's "Droid" series of phones have been very popular.

And I thought you were wrong.
 

simonizor

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Err ok?

Its just he said



You said



And I thought you were wrong.

You ignored the rest of his post. I wasn't replying in any way to how popular that phone is in Europe; I was replying to how they think that no carrier wants Motorola, which is just not the case.
 

WelshBloke

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You ignored the rest of his post. I wasn't replying in any way to how popular that phone is in Europe; I was replying to how they think that no carrier wants Motorola, which is just not the case.

It was pretty obvious which part of the post I was referring to from the beginning.


It sounds like you are saying Motorola is popular in the US because you don't have a choice of anything better. Thats not a sustainable business plan. It nearly killed Moto before.
 

gsaldivar

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Motorola lacks balls.

This is a good first step, but IMHO it doesn't go nearly far enough. Here is my suggestion:

1. Allow all users to unlock bootloaders, period.

2. Optionally require users who unlock their bootloaders to waive their warranty (The manufacturer shouldn't be held responsible for sloppy ROM flashes, etc...)

3. If a carrier doesn't want unlocked Motorola phones on its network, then it can simply choose not to carry Motorola phones.
 

Fire&Blood

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2 is already in place and 3 is simply not happening.


When I had the Nexus, unlocking the bootloader simply prompted a disclaimer about voiding the warranty as I proceeded. I didn't have any hardware failures on it but if one can restore the phone to it's factory, out of the box hardware condition, one reserves the right to step back under warranty coverage and make a claim.

From a business standpoint, it makes no sense for a OEM to cripple their sales by dodging a carrier. It's unrealistic to expect a OEM to insist on unlocked phones. In an ideal market, consumers would "punish" restrictive carriers by switching elsewhere but the customer retention mechanisms carriers deploy as well as the difference in the coverage quality between carriers, the US market is far from it.
 

gsaldivar

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consumers would "punish" restrictive carriers by switching elsewhere but the customer retention mechanisms carriers deploy as well as the difference in the coverage quality between carriers, the US market is far from it.

Consumers richly rewarded AT&T for several years of iPhone exclusivity, despite those same retention mechanisms and coverage quality differences common to all of AT&T's competitors.

The converse - that consumers would ideally "punish" undesirable carriers [or carriers who carry an undesirable selection of phones], despite those very same restrictions - should be possible in today's hyper-competitive US market.

it makes no sense for a OEM to cripple their sales by dodging a carrier. It's unrealistic to expect a OEM to insist on unlocked phones.

I don't think it's unrealistic at all. Just because a company's goal is to maximize profit doesn't mean consumers should settle for products as they are offered. And it certainly doesn't mean that I should have to restrict myself from modifying a product that I own free and clear, simply to protect the interests of the manufacturer's distribution partners.
 

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That doesn't mean that they would have been complete failures if Verizon didn't exist. If they were sold on AT&T or another carrier, they would be just as popular.

So not true.

The Droid series exploded because Verizon pushed the original Droid like its life depended on it when the iPhone was a ATT exclusive. Later efforts by Motorola to push their products by themselves have not nearly had the success of that initial Verizon backed campaign (example: Xoom sales).

Verizon made the Droid brand what it is today. Without them, Moto might be bankrupt by now.
 

Fire&Blood

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Consumers richly rewarded AT&T for several years of iPhone exclusivity, despite those same retention mechanisms and coverage quality differences common to all of AT&T's competitors.

2.2 million iphone sales on Verizon in one quarter disagree with you.

If you can find a chart that clarifies how many of the AT&T iphone customers waited out their contracts elsewhere vs. the ones that paid the ETF to switch over to AT&T, I'll be happy to revisit issue.

It's not just customer retention. Monthly fees, uncertainty about coverage, losing grandfathered plans, inconvenience of switching over and various discounts factor in heavily on the switching decision.

The converse - that consumers would ideally "punish" undesirable carriers [or carriers who carry an undesirable selection of phones], despite those very same restrictions - should be possible in today's hyper-competitive US market.

I would only partially agree that the US market is competitive. It's us, the consumers who bear the cost of competing. There is no true competition for the consumers, vast majority is locked in the post paid model, it's a watered down competition with carriers securing long term commitments. Customer migrations from carrier to carrier occur upon contract expiration, few are willing to pay the ETF and face the factors I mentioned above, even fewer are willing to pay the ETF again anytime soon.



I don't think it's unrealistic at all. Just because a company's goal is to maximize profit doesn't mean consumers should settle for products as they are offered. And it certainly doesn't mean that I should have to restrict myself from modifying a product that I own free and clear, simply to protect the interests of the manufacturer's distribution partners.

I agree that that's how it should be. But for that to be a valid factor, the average consumer lacks the awareness and I don't see it changing anytime soon. If the carriers ever start feeling heat over it, they will compromise but again, the call for unlocked handsets is limited to tech forums and IT news sites. What you and I identify as bloatware, ordinary consumer identifies it as a gift form carrier.

It's certainly easier for OEM's to make and sell unlocked phones but carriers don't want them, I don't expect to see the Nexus on Verizon anytime soon. Sprint is conceding now but only because they are in big trouble, things will get worse for them with the upcoming merger. Verizon and the merged AT&T will dictate the rules, their stance towards unlocked phones and 3rd party apps is already known and it will only get worse once T-Mobile is out the equation.
 

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problem with their statement, it was always verizon locking the bootloader.


The Xoom came out with an unlockable bootloader because google wanted it like that.

the Droid line? not at all.


basically they point the finger at VZW and then they just sit on it.

nothing will change
 

lothar

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That's just not true. Pretty much all of Motorola's "Droid" series of phones have been very popular.
They have been popular only because of Verizon's marketing.
Verizon owns the "Droid" trademark, not Motorola.

Any manufacturer that makes a "Droid" phone is guaranteed to sell hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
Lets see Motorola make their phones without the "Droid" brand and see how successful they would be.
Motorola Atrix and Xoom were complete failures in that regard, and so will any of their phones that does not have Verizon's "Droid" brand marketing attached to it regardless of which carrier it's released.

Here's to hoping the Droid Bionic gets this treatment.
I believe it was previously described as featuring a fully locked bootloader.
Perhaps they can re-engineer the phone with this unlockable bootloader, or maybe, just maybe, it was destined to be on there to begin with. Since it has yet to launch, do we really know the official bootloader on the device, or is it just assumed it will feature the same bootloader as the Atrix (which is completely locked, yes?). Given Verizon permitted the unlockable bootloader on the Xoom, and allowed the original Droid from Moto to be completely unlocked... I guess maybe I'm just hopeful on this, considering everything else about the Bionic syncs up with my wishlist. :D
That was the Droid Targa, not the Bionic.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until they do I will keep associating Moto with locked bootloaders, untimely updates, poor UI skins and irremovable bloatware.
This. All of it.