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Motorcycle licence.

jsbush

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I'm getting my real license in two months, and I would really like to get a motorcycle license to.

I really love motorcycles and bikes. Anyone know if I can start the motorcycle courses even though I don't have my real license yet? I don't mind the wait but I would like my motorcycle license for this summer (if that?s realistic). Anyone know about these laws in Quebec?



Also what?s a good price range I should be looking in for a motorcycle that will get me around with minimum repairs?
 

Jerboy

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<< I'm getting my real license in two months, and I would really like to get a motorcycle license to.

I really love motorcycles and bikes. Anyone know if I can start the motorcycle courses even though I don't have my real license yet? I don't mind the wait but I would like my motorcycle license for this summer (if that?s realistic). Anyone know about these laws in Quebec?



Also what?s a good price range I should be looking in for a motorcycle that will get me around with minimum repairs?
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I think driving a motorcycle without even knowing how to drive a car is literally a suicide.

Personally I suggest you get a decent car, learn how to drive, learn how to drive defensively(EXTREMELY important when you're on a moto). Forget the motorcycle for a while.


How much can you afford?

It totally depends on your budget about which of these options you can go with:

A. 1985 Ford Tempo and a beat up Honda motorcycle

B. 1995 Toyota Crolla

C. Okay Honda motorcycle

D. New BMW 7 series and a new Harley


 
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Jerboys right. Don't worry about a Moto untill you learn to drive a car.
It's not that driving a car will help you ride a bike, it's that when learning to drive a car they teach you the laws of the road. When you yield, what to do at an intersection, who has the right of way.

They don't teach you these things in motorcycle training classes. They assume you know them. As far a defensive driving on a motorcycle, I don't believe in it. You need to ride offensively. You can't wait for other people to make a move on you. You don't have a cage of steal around you on a bike.

OK maybe offensively is a little to strong, but on a bike if you get caught with your pants down(figurativly speaking), you can get seriously hurt or killed by the stupidest things.
 

Zenmervolt

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<<I think driving a motorcycle without even knowing how to drive a car is literally a suicide.>>

I'll deal with that in a bit.

On a purely practical level, you should spend your money on the most reliable car you can afford. Motorcycles are a lot of fun, but when it's raining or winter it's far more important to have a good car that will not let you down. A reliable car should be findable between $3,000 and $4,000, with a decent motorcycle running between $750 and $1,000 for used examples of mid-1980's Japanese "standards". IMO it is not a wise decision to buy a cheap anything, let alone two cheap things. A cheap car will spend a lot of time in the shop. A cheap bike will do the same. A cheap car combined with a cheap bike will do nothing but bleed you dry from repair bills. Unless you can aford a decent car and a decent bike, get only a decent car. It's not as much fun, but it's sure nice knowing that the car will be able to get you home in the middle of a January snowstorm when you're a half-hour away from home.

As for Jerboy's remark, it's quite far from the truth even if I let the "literally" part slide. Granted, it would be very foolish to start out with a Harley or a Valkrie as a first bike, but simply learning how to drive a bike before you learn how to ride in a car (I purposely inverted "drive" and "ride", a motorcycle is much more of a driving experience and far more demanding of attention than riding in the driver's seat of a car) is not necessarily a risk. I would recommend that if you do get a bike to get a 450-500cc Standard/Light Cruiser. Sport bikes are fun and all, but a smaller Standard will be much better to learn on. It won't be fast enough to get you into serious trouble, and it won't be heavy and hard to drive around town like a Harley is for a newbie. In the US, we can get temps for a motorcycle and take the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course with the temps. I would strongly recommend that you take the MSF course if you get a cycle. Also, always wear over-the-ankle boots, heavy jeans (at least), a motorcycle-quality leather jacket, unlined leather gloves, and a helmet (at least 3/4, full face is best). A motorcycle will require an investment of $300-$400 in riding gear, so keep that in mind too.

ZV
 

Jerboy

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<< They don't teach you these things in motorcycle training classes. They assume you know them. As far a defensive driving on a motorcycle, I don't believe in it. You need to ride offensively. You can't wait for other people to make a move on you. You don't have a cage of steal around you on a bike. >>



You should drive defensively, because you're the little one and if you get into a conflict with SUV bullies, you lose.

On a Y fork, I could be coming by at 35mph in my van and you could try to show off and bolt right in front of me from the side street against the YIELD sign. You said you're getting a cheapo. If your engine dies or transmission breakes and collide with my 2 1/4 ton(vehicle+ six pass) van you don't have much chance.

It doesn't matter whose at fault and whose not. $2million settlement is not going to fix your broken neck.

 

amdskip

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You are also limited to as how big of a motorcycle (can't remember how many CC's) you can have when you are 16. That's the way it is here in Illinois at least.
 
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I would suggest a reliable car and then get a fixer upper bike that works but needs a bit of maintance.. that way you learn how to keep the bike up. An late 80's bike will do. Either a Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki will do fine. Do not go over 500cc's, first insurance will kill you if not you will kill yourself.

Now if your under 16, check your local laws, chances are you will be limited to below 175cc. Which is still great for streets. Most motorcycle riders have problems at the street level and 75% of all accidents happen on streets especially on intersections.

However I suggest getting a car first, only bcause you got to learn and practise teh rules of the road before even you get on your bike. There are things on the bike that are so much more different than that of a car. HOwever in teh mean time take the MSF course of the equivalent course in canada and get your licence. The course will teach you how to corner (very important.. many newbies drop bikes because they cant corner) and a few more emergency manevers. This course is pretty much standardised world wide, baring a few minor changes due to local guidelines etc etc.

Riding a bike takes a lot of mental concentration, stamina and clear concise thinking. You need to be in shape to ride. The forces generated by a motorcycle in a curve can be pretty mind boggling especially at higher speeds, and you definately got to be in shape in your upper body and legs to move the bike around.

However you being 16 and all.. just get a car first.. and take the motorcycle safety course and then when you are done you will know what you really want. By the way 175cc isnt bad.. it will do fine on the city streets.. for freeways (atleast in the US) they are illegal. But who wants to do freeway riding where its no fun.. streets are so much more fun when done in a safe manner.
 
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Personally I think you should get more road experience the safest way possible before worrying about the bike. You likely WILL screw up from inexperience at some point, better to do it when you have doors and a roof to protect you. Get the car now, pass on the bike for a couple of years.
 

jsbush

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Thanks guys.

I'll take the motorcycle courses when I can, (courses are obligitory now), and I'll get a car and then get a motorcycle a later on when I have more money.

I wasn't planing on getting anything bigger then 500CC anyhow.
 

geekender

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Even the most experienced driver is safer in a crash in a car than a bike. You versus a car..what do you want to be driving?
 

CTweak

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I'll make this REALLY easy. Buy the car and get a cheaper dirt bike. Have a blast on the dirt bike, use the car to get around.
 

jsbush

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I go mountain biking when I want to get dirty. No dirt bike for me.


I was thinking getting a 95-96 civic or corrolla. Or a 92-93 civic or corrola and a 1983-1985 bike. But I would get the bike right now. I'll wait a couple years to get a bike like you guys sugested. I might get a cheap bike and fix her up if I have some cash left over, it would be nice to learn how to fix those things.

 

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<< On a purely practical level, you should spend your money on the most reliable car you can afford. Motorcycles are a lot of fun, but when it's raining or winter it's far more important to have a good car that will not let you down. A reliable car should be findable between $3,000 and $4,000, with a decent motorcycle running between $750 and $1,000 for used examples of mid-1980's Japanese "standards". IMO it is not a wise decision to buy a cheap anything, let alone two cheap things. A cheap car will spend a lot of time in the shop. A cheap bike will do the same. A cheap car combined with a cheap bike will do nothing but bleed you dry from repair bills. Unless you can aford a decent car and a decent bike, get only a decent car. It's not as much fun, but it's sure nice knowing that the car will be able to get you home in the middle of a January snowstorm when you're a half-hour away from home.

As for Jerboy's remark, it's quite far from the truth even if I let the "literally" part slide. Granted, it would be very foolish to start out with a Harley or a Valkrie as a first bike, but simply learning how to drive a bike before you learn how to ride in a car (I purposely inverted "drive" and "ride", a motorcycle is much more of a driving experience and far more demanding of attention than riding in the driver's seat of a car) is not necessarily a risk. I would recommend that if you do get a bike to get a 450-500cc Standard/Light Cruiser. Sport bikes are fun and all, but a smaller Standard will be much better to learn on. It won't be fast enough to get you into serious trouble, and it won't be heavy and hard to drive around town like a Harley is for a newbie. In the US, we can get temps for a motorcycle and take the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course with the temps. I would strongly recommend that you take the MSF course if you get a cycle. Also, always wear over-the-ankle boots, heavy jeans (at least), a motorcycle-quality leather jacket, unlined leather gloves, and a helmet (at least 3/4, full face is best). A motorcycle will require an investment of $300-$400 in riding gear, so keep that in mind too.

ZV
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Very good advice there. Especially in Canada, you'll want your first vehicle to be a nice reliable car with a good heater (FWD or 4WD is a plus, but not necessary) It's really a good idea to hold off on the motorcycle. If you haven't been riding for a while, you don't want to be in a position of learning how to ride a motorcycle -and- learning street laws at the same time. So buying a car now & saving the streetbike for a couple of years is the safest bet. A dirt bike is probably best for learning the mechanics of riding a motorcycle, you're going to lay it down anyway (trust me) and the dirt is a lot more forgiving to you and the bike. Save plastic fairings and flashy chrome for your second bike (even then, you're probably going to lay this one down, too. So keep the 80's 500cc bikes in mind when you do buy your first street bike.) And don't even think about riding without quality safety gear. It's a lesson that you don't want to learn for yourself. Every time I see some squid on a crotch-rocket wearing nothing more than shorts, sandals, & a tanktop it gives me chills. Ask around and I'm sure you'll be able to find one of your motorcycle-riding buddies that can show you what a good road rash looks like.
 

Alienwho

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I've been riding motorcyles since I was 12. I've been riding motorcycles on the road since I was 14. Have you ever ridden a motorcycle before? I was EXTREMELY comfortable riding motorcycles around cars when I was 14, so it was no big deal for me. It really depends on how comfortable you are on the bike.
 

Alienwho

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<< You are also limited to as how big of a motorcycle (can't remember how many CC's) you can have when you are 16. That's the way it is here in Illinois at least. >>


I'm in Utah, and I learned to ride on a 2 stroke 250cc (kawasaki KX250) when I was 12. When I was 14 I got a Yamaha XT 600 (4 stroke) and i've been riding that ever since. I got it because it was street legal and i've never heard anything about cc age limits.
 

jsbush

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I read the pfd file Talon told me about, and heres how it works.

I have to take a written test on how to us a motorcycle. Then I get a class 6R learners licence which allows me to take driving courses with a driving school on a closed track. After a month I can take a closed track road test with the SAAQ (I think you guys call it the DMV). Then I get a class 6a learners licence which allows me to drive a bike on the road as long as I'm followed by another person on a bike. After 7 months I get to pass a road test which allows me to drive alone. Then don't mention anything about the CC's so I don't know.



I don't have anyone to go riding with though, so I don't know if I can take practice crouses with a driving school or not. I'll have to call them.

I've also completed a driving course (for driving a car) and got really good scores, so I know how to drive. I also drive a lot (100km/day) to get to school (dad works at my school).

I've never drove a bike before (except a little 80cc bike) so I definitally won't start off on the road. I feel very confertable driving a pedal bike around cars and in heavy traffic but thats propably different.


I'll take a motorcycle course, get my licence to drive one, and in a year or so I'll get a scraper and learn on dirt roads how to use it. And in two years I'll get a street bike.


Thanks for all the usefull advise.

 

BreakApart

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<< Thanks guys.

I'll take the motorcycle courses when I can, (courses are obligitory now), and I'll get a car and then get a motorcycle a later on when I have more money.

I wasn't planing on getting anything bigger then 500CC anyhow.
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Excellent choice...
Get some real road experience before touching that motorcycle. Personally seen too many young guys crash motorcycles than i care to count. I don't have the beer-belly or gray hair to fit correctly on a Harley, so i still ride with the younger sport bike crowd. =)