Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Ornery
"You can be a perfect rider, and still this can happen to you because some moron in a metal box just doesn't care."
It ain't that people don't care, it's just that people make mistakes. Are you perfect? When you make a mistake and hit another car, big deal, dented fender. Hit a biker and it's lethal! As if only car drivers make mistakes. :roll: Just a few months ago I heard a first hand story of a biker who was rear ended while his wife was on board. Guess who hit him? Yep, not only another bike, but his best friend! He was still in a hospital out of state, when I heard the story. His wife faired pretty well for some reason.
Bottom line is, if you have a wife and kids, you've got no business taking chances like that. Way too irresponsible. If you "must", the least you could do is carry a shltload of life insurance, but money is a poor substitute for a father. Or maybe worse, you could end up a vegetable, and be a total drag on your whole family for decades to come. Oh, but I'm sure it's worth taking the chance... :roll:
Definitely I know a lot more bikers than drivers that get in accidents. Whether it's going over the bars, falling back in a wheelie, or having to lay the bike down....most of these are private accidents.
However 4 wheeled drivers make mistakes too...if you are a part of them on a bike you = the loser in that battle.
Most lifelong bikers have at least one hospitalization/ER trip.
It's a risky venture, but life is short anyways. You choose the life you want to lead and be happy doing it.
In reply to those claiming other's with equally painful/tramatic experiences that did not commit suicide (and if you are judging that hell is the consequence, who are you to judge?! That would be your God(s)'s right)....a hang nail can be too much in a day for some...for other's losing an arm is a slight setback. You have no F'ing idea what an experience meant to someone or how it affected them. Chances are you are leading a life less lived already though.
Right.
i grew up in a family of bikers. I got my first bike when i was about 8-9 (50 cc bike) and had one all my life. I have had my share of accidents. Luckily none as bad as this guy. But bad enough that i stopped riding as much as i used to.
I have a CBR F4. I enjoy riding it. but lately i have been afraid of riding. I have a 2 year old daughter i need to be around for. While i have a huge life insurance policy i have no plans on not being there to watch her grow up.
I know the odds are against me when i ride. When i was single and without kids it didn't bother me. Now though it does.
i have only ridden my bike 3 times this year. Each trip was rather short. I think its time i sold the bike (heh should get enough for a new computer or projector!).
While i used to get a "high" from riding all day i now get a good one just playing peek-a-boo with my daughter or walking around the block with her. The way i have fun has changed but life is still way to good to end.
Call me a "jerk" "asshole" whatever i don't care. The guy is/was a loser for ending his life. He didn't solve any problems but created more. Every day i spend with my daughter is a blessing and every day i get to spend with my father is one.
To put his son, wife, and family through what they are going through is unforgivable. I have seen first hand what happens to a family that has the father commit suicide. I have seen single women struggle with raising a child. i have seen fatherless children wonder why they do not have a father.
No matter how bad off I get i would NEVER commit suicide. I know my daughter needs me. i know my wife needs me. i know my family needs me. religious beliefs aside (i'm Mormon.. but not a strict follower) suicide is wrong.
I'm sorry if i offended anyone. But i still think the guy is a loser. i just pray his son turns out well.
I apoligize for getting antagonistic on you up there, but you still do not understand. Your expectations for yourself are admirable, but they are hogwash, as are any expectations mentioned here by anyone else. The fact remains that the desperation, the physical pain, the resenment, the regret and all acompaning feeling ahve quite a grevious effect on your methodology in such a situation.
As i had posed to you, attempt to look at it from his point of view. In fact, many of you see him as selfish for what he did, but realize the opposite of those thoughts. could it possibly be that he possibly had the best interests of the child in mind, even if that might be warped in sense from what you, a seemingly normal and capable individual might contrive.
This man was literally scraped off the orad, and was devastated more than hopefully any of us will ever know. My advice to you is this:
Do what you have to do. Do it with pride. Do it with honor. Do it with honor. Even so, do not attempt to justify your actions by criticizing those of others. It is quite petty, as humility and epathy are also characteristics of good people. Basically, let the man die.
For all we know, he realized, even if it might have been the best course action, that although the pain his son would feel was bad, it was only a fraction of what he would have to deal with taking care of his dad.
To place the burden of perfection on someone who has but nothing to comfort him in his decision is to deny yourself any respect. You have love. You have body. You have mind. As far as we know, he underwent a torrent of inhumanity that no one should ever have to or be allowed to face.
Once again, let him be. Whatever errors he made are set in stone. Keep an open mind and realize that through the generoscity of many, his child may yet have a beatiful life in which he doesn't have to dal with the burden of a tattered father.
Righteousness is quite sbjective. You are doing well so preaching righteousness is easy. He was gone, and righteousness to him was a tall tale.
Do not deny your humanity. Instead attempt to embrace it and realize the truth: that you are not righteous, and you could have easily done the same thing.
Don;t even bother to argue with that becuase I will admit that it is as much false at it is true.
GOod night
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