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Motorcycle helmet laws...where do you stand?

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Another example of why socialism is anathema to individual freedom.

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws were not passed because of any desire to protect motorists. No, the winning argument in both cases was the "cost to society" argument.

Folks, when the US taxpayer pays to support you, it will, without fail, vote to limit your freedoms if they feel those freedoms may cost them more money.

Do I support such laws? No. Absolutely not. It is my body and I should be free to risk, or not risk it at my will. If you don't want to pay for my mistakes, then don't pay. I don't want your money anyhow. I will pay for my own mistakes and keep my freedoms, thank you very much.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
 
I think people that ride motorcycles should know better, it is their lives. We don't force people to eat healthy... if they choose not to wear, then be it.
 
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Chryso
If there are seat belt laws there should be helmet laws.
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So, do you think there should be seatbelt laws, and, thus, helmet laws?

MotionMan
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Given the curent setup with mandatory insurance and such, I do. Like Amused said, the laws are a bit silly in and of themselves, but they become necessary when you consider our society (which is also a bit silly).
 
Originally posted by: illusion88
How is this any different than a seat belt law?

It only affects you right? It's your personal choice right? If I am not wearing my seatbelt it doesn't endanger anyone else but me on the road. Yet this law is supported and enforced by law enforcement agencies across the nation.
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It isn't. I support seatbelt laws too.
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: Izusaga
I didn't vote, but I own two bikes (an older Nighthawk and an 07 Sixxer) and this is all I will say on this subject:

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my friend was almost killed on his VFR back in 1990. If he wasn't wearing his full leathers and helmet, he would have died at the scene.

I sold my bike back in 2002, 1971 CB750 K.
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sigh. in the future all old atot hondas are to be sold to me for cheap
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You and me both. I would have loved to get a '71 CB750.

How much did you sell it for? Got and pics?
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Another example of why socialism is anathema to individual freedom.

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws were not passed because of any desire to protect motorists. No, the winning argument in both cases was the "cost to society" argument.

Folks, when the US taxpayer pays to support you, it will, without fail, vote to limit your freedoms if they feel those freedoms may cost them more money.

Do I support such laws? No. Absolutely not. It is my body and I should be free to risk, or not risk it at my will. If you don't want to pay for my mistakes, then don't pay. I don't want your money anyhow. I will pay for my own mistakes and keep my freedoms, thank you very much.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
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I'm curious, do you wear a helmet when you ride?
 
I ride a VT1100. I have always worn a helmet. I would probably have sustained a pretty bad concussion the first time I went down had it not been for my helmet. Helmet laws are no different than seatbelt laws.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Yes I ride, no I don't wear a helment, and anybody that wants to force me to wear a helmet can kiss my ass.
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I'll pass on that. If asked to vote on it though, I'd vote to force you to wear a helmet. 😛
 
If the law is able to dictate that I have to wear a seatbelt, it should also be able to dictate that riders wear helmets. I don't see the difference between the two issues.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Another example of why socialism is anathema to individual freedom.

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws were not passed because of any desire to protect motorists. No, the winning argument in both cases was the "cost to society" argument.

Folks, when the US taxpayer pays to support you, it will, without fail, vote to limit your freedoms if they feel those freedoms may cost them more money.

Do I support such laws? No. Absolutely not. It is my body and I should be free to risk, or not risk it at my will. If you don't want to pay for my mistakes, then don't pay. I don't want your money anyhow. I will pay for my own mistakes and keep my freedoms, thank you very much.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
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I'm curious, do you wear a helmet when you ride?
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What I do is irrelevant.

What I (and you) feel the right to force others to do is relevant.
 
I think they should ban motorcycles outright. no need for them, and they are at a disadvantage when they wreck into a car therefore that would cause health care costs to be passed onto everyone.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Another example of why socialism is anathema to individual freedom.

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws were not passed because of any desire to protect motorists. No, the winning argument in both cases was the "cost to society" argument.

Folks, when the US taxpayer pays to support you, it will, without fail, vote to limit your freedoms if they feel those freedoms may cost them more money.

Do I support such laws? No. Absolutely not. It is my body and I should be free to risk, or not risk it at my will. If you don't want to pay for my mistakes, then don't pay. I don't want your money anyhow. I will pay for my own mistakes and keep my freedoms, thank you very much.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
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I'm curious, do you wear a helmet when you ride?
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What I do is irrelevant.

What I (and you) feel the right to force others to do is relevant.
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I know, I was just curious.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Another example of why socialism is anathema to individual freedom.

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws were not passed because of any desire to protect motorists. No, the winning argument in both cases was the "cost to society" argument.

Folks, when the US taxpayer pays to support you, it will, without fail, vote to limit your freedoms if they feel those freedoms may cost them more money.

Do I support such laws? No. Absolutely not. It is my body and I should be free to risk, or not risk it at my will. If you don't want to pay for my mistakes, then don't pay. I don't want your money anyhow. I will pay for my own mistakes and keep my freedoms, thank you very much.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
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I'm curious, do you wear a helmet when you ride?
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What I do is irrelevant.

What I (and you) feel the right to force others to do is relevant.
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I know, I was just curious.
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If you would like to debate the laws, implications of them and reasons behind them, fine. Making it personal with your very first response isn't debate.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
he just asked a question dude chill out
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I made a logical, rational debate and he responded with a personal question.

You don't see a problem with that?
 
I can't vote as I don't ride - but why WOULDN'T you want to wear a helmet? Seriously, is it going to mess up your hair? Does it detract THAT much from your ride?

If I were to ride, you would be damn sure I would wear a helmet. I prefer to take every opportunity I can to make sure I come home in one piece to my family at the end of the day.
 
1. I own a Harley Davidson (FLSTC) and I ride quite often.
2. I wear a half helmet in warm weather and a full face when its cold. I would do it even if it was not required. It happens that it is not required in Texas (where I live). You are required to proove you have health insurance if you are stopped by law enforcement though. Reason - I wear my helmet because it gives me a secure, confortable feeling. It is debatable whether it is safer or not. I see riders all the time loosing their hats, caps, doo rags, you name it, on the road.
3. I do not support helmet laws. This is a personal choice that I do not believe actually hurts someone else. I do like the way Texas deals with it. You must have health insurance if you choose to ride without a helmet.

See sig.
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
I don't ride a motorcycle, but I don't support mandatory helmet laws. By not wearing a helmet you're only endangering yourself, so making it mandatory is stupid. If you don't want to wear one then go for it. You'll only be hurting yourself.
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Anubis
he just asked a question dude chill out
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I made a logical, rational debate and he responded with a personal question.

You don't see a problem with that?
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no i dont and im curious to if you wear one also
 
I would wear a helmet even if it wasn't a law. I do not think we should enact laws that force people to wear them, though. Laws are to protect others from one another, to protect their rights, IMO. Laws are not a replacement for common-sense. If someone wants to be a retard and not wear a helmet or a seatbelt or whatever, that's their choice. They're not endangering anyone else by choosing not to. We've already gone WAY off the deep end with protecting people from themselves, though, so I don't expect any common sense to take charge in this matter.

The only prevention needed is to show each soon-to-be driver what will happen to their flimsy human form should they decide to not heed the warnings, graphically, as it were. If they still don't want to, then BONN VOYAGE'!
 
As far as I can tell, operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege. So if the government tells you to put your brain in a bucket, you have 3 choices. 1 is to comply and ride. 2 is to not ride. 3 is to ignore law and expect to be pulled over and given a hefty ticket.

Riding is dangerous enough as it is, try to improve your odds by wearing skin and helmet please.
 
Seatbealts, Helmets, etc... I don't care if you wear one, you are only risking your own life. Laws shouldn't protect people from themselves.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Another example of why socialism is anathema to individual freedom.

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws were not passed because of any desire to protect motorists. No, the winning argument in both cases was the "cost to society" argument.

Folks, when the US taxpayer pays to support you, it will, without fail, vote to limit your freedoms if they feel those freedoms may cost them more money.

Do I support such laws? No. Absolutely not. It is my body and I should be free to risk, or not risk it at my will. If you don't want to pay for my mistakes, then don't pay. I don't want your money anyhow. I will pay for my own mistakes and keep my freedoms, thank you very much.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
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I'm curious, do you wear a helmet when you ride?
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What I do is irrelevant.

What I (and you) feel the right to force others to do is relevant.
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you can make this argument extend way further than you'd probably like. you draw the line somewhere and that's all there is to it.
 
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