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destrekor

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Uh... I am in love with the recent advancements in the Android community.

Having been a ROM person, I never paid attention much to the individual feature additions you could do with Root alone, though ideally on AOSP-based ROMs.

Xposed Framework and the GravityBox(KK) module - holy crap, so many of the minor little tweaks I want out of the box, boom immediately available to apply or remove as I see fit. Centered clock, correct pin unlocks immediately, reboot menu (though I used a separate Xposed module which also added Screenshot to the menu - I like that more than vol down and power button), swipe notification shade/status bar from hot corner for immediate quick settings, built in torch feature (also allows Vol Down long press to turn flash on from phone off - I will love that but I worry about accidental pocket triggers - time will tell).
Plus, with GEL installed - this just looks nice.

foghorn said it best: smitten :D
 

hellfire88

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I can echo destrekor and foghorn's sentiments: I'm really liking this phone so far.

I've been using an AT&T-branded white Moto X 16GB for about 2 weeks now. I unlocked it and have been using it on T-Mobile. I seem to be getting both 4G-LTE and "4G" (HSDPA) speeds just fine here in NYC.

The design seems to strike a great balance between phone size (hand feel), screen size, and "just enough" usability enhancement features over stock Android (not like Samsung/LG which throws in everything including the kitchen sink like waving your hands to scroll up/down etc.). Not to knock on Samsung/LG, but for now, the Moto X is fitting my needs nicely. I'm kind of a gadget freak and have used the following "latest and greatest" phones in the past 2 months:

- Samsung Galaxy Note 3
By far the most feature-packed phone I used: Snapdragon 800, 3GB RAM, S-Pen, USB 3.0 port, etc. But just a tad too big for me for "day-to-day" usage while on-the-go like checking a quick text, making a quick phone call, etc. Watching a movie on it was pretty epic though with its amazing screen. And while I had it, I had very little desire to reach for a separate 7" tablet like a Nexus 7 or iPad Mini

- LG/Google Nexus 5
Nice all-around phone and IMHO the best bang-for-your-buck in terms of specs. However, the fit-and-finish wasn't as good IMHO compared to even the Nexus 4 (overall design felt cheaper and the seams didn't match up evenly in my unit...heck the SIM card drive stuck out a bit and wasn't flush with the phone). Also, the camera software was pretty weak. I had to hold my hand steady for 1.5sec to take a clear photo...pretty lame compared to the norm today with super-fast capture speed like with iPhone 5 etc.). Basically it was just "meh" and more of the same.

- iPhone 5s
More of the same from my older iPhone 5. Fingerprint scanner is cool for a week but then isn't too big of a deal once the "hoopla" wears off. My main gripe is that a 4" screen is just too small for me by today's standards. Hopefully iPhone 6 will have a 4.7"+ screen)

The Moto X will be my keeper from this latest batch of "test subjects" mainly due to its nice ergonomics, and the "add-in" exclusive features:

- Active Display
I didn't think I'd like this as much as I do. I've gotten so used to the phone showing me the time (I don't wear a watch usually) and latest alerts when I simply pull out the phone from my pocket (don't have to press any buttons) that I think it'll be really hard for me to go back to another phone w/o Active Display. Also, I love how it pulses the time. I leave my phone on my desk at work and love to glance at the phone to check the time (as opposed to checking my system tray on my work PC, lol)

- Touchless Controls
still kinda gimmicky for me as I cannot get it to recognize my voice reliably. Maybe I don't enunciate my words enough? Anyone have any tips on how to train the voice (do it in a room with specific acoustics etc.) to get it to more reliably recognize the "OK Google Now" command? Also, I dislike how when you ask it to make a reminder, you still have to look at the screen and tap "OK/accept" to finally create the reminder. There has been times where I create the reminder via Touchless Control, and forget to acknowledge/confirm the reminder....so it doesn't get created and I forget to do the thing I was supposed to be reminded of.

- "Quick-Twist" camera gesture
I don't take photos with my phone often, but for quick impromptu shots, this seems to save those precious few seconds in order for you to get the action shot.


I'm very much looking forward to the Moto X2 and hope that it will come in a ~5" screen which i feel is the sweet spot for size vs portability.
 

Seven

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Couldn't agree more, especially on the "LG/Google Nexus 5" part. Such a terrible device from Google. I sold my beloved N4 three weeks in advance just to get ready for Google goodness. Uh, and I was disappointed with a "mok" design of the N5. Nothing in common with the N4. Glad the Moto X came along.
 
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poofyhairguy

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Just got mine today. I am definitely looking for a bumper type case as well. I have a real thin Poetic case the retains the shape very well, but its slippery.
The user experience is the best I've had in any phone. Far beyond Sense, touch Wiz and even stock Android. It adds just the slightest functionality to the already great Android experience.
The Touch less controls work so well. I truly can do basic functions while driving. Productive things like reminders and alarms do superbly.
The form factor is perfect. The reception is the best phone I had to date. At work I sit right where my LTE reception ends, and it can drop to Edge intermittently. This hangs on to LTE rather nicely. I'll chime in with more observations later. But I am rather smitten.

Awesome! Glad to hear you like it!!!
 

destrekor

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I can echo destrekor and foghorn's sentiments: I'm really liking this phone so far.

I've been using an AT&T-branded white Moto X 16GB for about 2 weeks now. I unlocked it and have been using it on T-Mobile. I seem to be getting both 4G-LTE and "4G" (HSDPA) speeds just fine here in NYC.

The design seems to strike a great balance between phone size (hand feel), screen size, and "just enough" usability enhancement features over stock Android (not like Samsung/LG which throws in everything including the kitchen sink like waving your hands to scroll up/down etc.). Not to knock on Samsung/LG, but for now, the Moto X is fitting my needs nicely. I'm kind of a gadget freak and have used the following "latest and greatest" phones in the past 2 months:

- Samsung Galaxy Note 3
By far the most feature-packed phone I used: Snapdragon 800, 3GB RAM, S-Pen, USB 3.0 port, etc. But just a tad too big for me for "day-to-day" usage while on-the-go like checking a quick text, making a quick phone call, etc. Watching a movie on it was pretty epic though with its amazing screen. And while I had it, I had very little desire to reach for a separate 7" tablet like a Nexus 7 or iPad Mini

- LG/Google Nexus 5
Nice all-around phone and IMHO the best bang-for-your-buck in terms of specs. However, the fit-and-finish wasn't as good IMHO compared to even the Nexus 4 (overall design felt cheaper and the seams didn't match up evenly in my unit...heck the SIM card drive stuck out a bit and wasn't flush with the phone). Also, the camera software was pretty weak. I had to hold my hand steady for 1.5sec to take a clear photo...pretty lame compared to the norm today with super-fast capture speed like with iPhone 5 etc.). Basically it was just "meh" and more of the same.

- iPhone 5s
More of the same from my older iPhone 5. Fingerprint scanner is cool for a week but then isn't too big of a deal once the "hoopla" wears off. My main gripe is that a 4" screen is just too small for me by today's standards. Hopefully iPhone 6 will have a 4.7"+ screen)

The Moto X will be my keeper from this latest batch of "test subjects" mainly due to its nice ergonomics, and the "add-in" exclusive features:

- Active Display
I didn't think I'd like this as much as I do. I've gotten so used to the phone showing me the time (I don't wear a watch usually) and latest alerts when I simply pull out the phone from my pocket (don't have to press any buttons) that I think it'll be really hard for me to go back to another phone w/o Active Display. Also, I love how it pulses the time. I leave my phone on my desk at work and love to glance at the phone to check the time (as opposed to checking my system tray on my work PC, lol)

- Touchless Controls
still kinda gimmicky for me as I cannot get it to recognize my voice reliably. Maybe I don't enunciate my words enough? Anyone have any tips on how to train the voice (do it in a room with specific acoustics etc.) to get it to more reliably recognize the "OK Google Now" command? Also, I dislike how when you ask it to make a reminder, you still have to look at the screen and tap "OK/accept" to finally create the reminder. There has been times where I create the reminder via Touchless Control, and forget to acknowledge/confirm the reminder....so it doesn't get created and I forget to do the thing I was supposed to be reminded of.

- "Quick-Twist" camera gesture
I don't take photos with my phone often, but for quick impromptu shots, this seems to save those precious few seconds in order for you to get the action shot.


I'm very much looking forward to the Moto X2 and hope that it will come in a ~5" screen which i feel is the sweet spot for size vs portability.


I have to agree on the annoyance of the OK/accept issue after voicing a reminder, as it slows down the process when things are good... but I guess it does help make sure you don't have to go back, dig up the saved reminder, and delete it, because Google made a mistake on the transcription or something.

I think making alarms is a touch-less process, though I may remember that wrong.

Either way, while some will see it as a gimmick, it's pretty damn neat to be in the kitchen, hands either caked in food or otherwise busy preparing part of a meal, and you voice "ok google, set alarm for 10 minutes from now", while your phone is still in your pocket, and next thing you know, you have a new alarm added.
Even better, once that alarm sounds and you dismiss it, that alarm is automatically removed from the list of alarms on your phone. I have a few I maintain permanently, and those are still there after use every time.

The camera shake was another "oh great, what a stupid gimmick. probably going to annoy me with false positives." I was wrong. I haven't used it yet, I haven't really had a need for the camera yet, but it works quick to go from phone apparently asleep to camera is on screen ready to go. If you want to use gallery or anything, you still have to enter a pin to unlock if you use security, bur you can use the camera without unlocking (just like accessing camera from lock screen).




There's something I was recently thinking about, relating Motorola and the Moto X and Moto G. They made a big stink out of Moto Maker, did a decent promotion effort for the Moto X, and made a great splash in the market, overall, with a premium phone and budget phone, and they are standard models no less, the same on any carrier that allows compatibility.

Most cell companies have realized, in this market, having a bunch of phones on different carriers can be good to get random business, but the best approach is to have one standard model phone available worldwide. Forget the carrier exclusive models, even the manufacturers now are realizing the best approach is to try and make the carriers totally dumb pipes, and offer your best device directly to the consumer.
Motorola, previously, only really had strong success due to its relationship with Verizon. Other carriers got Motorola models, and they had limited success worldwide, really getting the best sales in the US with the various Droid brand models on Verizon.
I wasn't having any of it, because they were being Verizon's favorite pet - completely locked bootloaders with no ability to unlock. That, and I wasn't really a fan of the Razr's - I liked them, but I disliked the hard-edged boxy approach to the design. Sure, the Moto X has a straight edge, but it's met by rounded edges all over, and a smooth flowing curve to the entire back, starting at the edges. Just right.


The biggest thing I hope Motorola does, is make this their main goal, make the Moto X/G their global brands, the ones on which they bet the business.
They have the right entry, and I think they might be trying to go that route. They've gotten a good look at the Moto Maker approach, and gotten some experience about supporting various carriers, directly and indirectly, by having products and accessories in carrier stores, as well as selling directly, still offering contracts for those carriers or selling at full MSRP.
They've seen what regular business and a major rush during a holiday sale looks like, which gives them experience to build and improve upon the Moto Maker/direct sales model, have it ready for even Apple-like demand. At least, if Motorola does it right, they'd prepare for Apple-like demand. Doesn't necessarily mean having that much stock, but at least having the website support that kind of traffic is critical.

They really need to follow through and make a Moto X2, Moto G2, and make it a proper series. Try and keep form factor the same, so dock accessories will fit each generation (until a significant redesign), that would really help with the accessories market.

I do wish more accessories would be found in stores, since so many manufacturers are making "official" accessories for the phone, but I think that is more about stores making the right orders than anything Motorola is specifically doing. Then again, some of the accessories you can only get on the Moto store, and it's miserable because they STILL are taking forever to do anything. I've got an order in for a few accessories, placed Sunday, still no movement on it. Unlike the phone, there was a charge for 2-day shipping. I feel ripped off paying for fast shipping yet having an order processing time that is reminiscent of the dark ages. The accessories definitely need to be in more places, especially carrier stores. About the only "M4DE", i.e., official, accessories in stores are from a few major accessories outfits like Otterbox. Still, Griffin is, I'd say, huge, and not one official dock, case, or anything, can be found in a store. Some of the cases can't even be bought direct from the manufacturer. Power Support sells a variant of the Air Jacket on their site, but not the Air Jacket Grip model. That can't be found anywhere, no even Amazon. And it's out of stock on the official store site. :\
 

hellfire88

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@Destrektor can you really use Touchless Controls while the phone is in your pocket? I have trouble getting it to recognize the "OK Google Now" command even with the phone on my table directly in front of me. I'd say its not "gimmicky" if it works reliably like how it sounds like for you. Maybe my mics are defective or I turned on some "power-saving" mode or my voice just sucks. :(
 

destrekor

Lifer
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@Destrektor can you really use Touchless Controls while the phone is in your pocket? I have trouble getting it to recognize the "OK Google Now" command even with the phone on my table directly in front of me. I'd say its not "gimmicky" if it works reliably like how it sounds like for you. Maybe my mics are defective or I turned on some "power-saving" mode or my voice just sucks. :(

I dunno. The way I have mine trained, apparently, has made it super sensitive.

I've had it sitting on my desk, real close to speakers, while listening to music. I'll just be sitting there, and my phone will say. "bloop.." and the screen will say, "I'm sorry, I didn't catch that."
Not once did someone utter "OK Google" lol

Also, maybe what helps, is the way I trained it: I did it as instructed, but instead of saying "OK Google Now", I only ever said "OK Google" and I tried to really hammer home the way I say it. I've remembered this, I know I have to slow down the way I normally talk - but it's gotten the phone turned on every time.
What it recognizes me saying after waking up to the command, however, is hit and miss. For my way of speaking, I've learned I do need to be short and sweet.

And part of the issue is, whatever you are saying, if it's not directly about contacts "dial so and so - start txt to so and so", it relies upon a data connection. Are you in solid 4g data services (3g probably works too), or connected to wifi? If not, it may not be able to "translate" what you said.
 

hellfire88

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I dunno. The way I have mine trained, apparently, has made it super sensitive.

I've had it sitting on my desk, real close to speakers, while listening to music. I'll just be sitting there, and my phone will say. "bloop.." and the screen will say, "I'm sorry, I didn't catch that."
Not once did someone utter "OK Google" lol

Also, maybe what helps, is the way I trained it: I did it as instructed, but instead of saying "OK Google Now", I only ever said "OK Google" and I tried to really hammer home the way I say it. I've remembered this, I know I have to slow down the way I normally talk - but it's gotten the phone turned on every time.
What it recognizes me saying after waking up to the command, however, is hit and miss. For my way of speaking, I've learned I do need to be short and sweet.

And part of the issue is, whatever you are saying, if it's not directly about contacts "dial so and so - start txt to so and so", it relies upon a data connection. Are you in solid 4g data services (3g probably works too), or connected to wifi? If not, it may not be able to "translate" what you said.

Thanks for the tips, I'll try them out. I can't even get it to wake up (from the "OK Google Now" command) which i believe is from the phone itself (that speech processor) so I don't think its my connection (of which I'm on Wifi and LTE anyways). To be honest the touchless controls was the main reason I got the Moto X (I envisioned situations like you mentions, cooking with hands full etc.). But Active Display surprisingly became my favorite feature so far.
 

hellfire88

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Couldn't agree more, especially on the "LG/Google Nexus 5" part. Such a terrible device from Google. I sold my beloved N4 three weeks in advance just to get ready for Google goodness. Uh, and I was disappointed with a "mok" design of the N5. Nothing in common with the N4. Glad the Moto X came along.

Yea, like it almost seems to me that Google asked some intern to whip up a quick CAD drawing with just the instructions of "draw up a standard smartphone"...and then crammed in the latest gen of parts (Snapdragon 800, ~5" 1080p screen, etc.). So saved on R&D and just crammed in specs...so they can sell it for the low price they sell it for ($349+)

At least the Nexus 4 felt (to me) more solid in the hand, and had a more "premium feel" with the unique pattern on the back glass etc.

The only "design elements" that the Nexus 5 has going for it is the "negative slope" sides (how the left-and-right side slopes from the back to the front in an angle...which helps grip IMHO. But the Moto X has this too), the big decorative circular plate around the camera (I think it looks "meh"), and the ceramic buttons (maybe it'd be "icing on the cake" if the rest of the phone was of high-design...but slapping this onto a phone of "meh" design is....not too impressive).
 

destrekor

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Something I just realized - this was such a "the phone to have", that it succeeded in convincing me to own, even without having a user-replaceable battery.

This is my first phone that I've willingly owned as a personal cell phone (I had an iPhone as a work phone at my last job), that is a solid one-piece device. Heck, with my Galaxy Nexus, I opted to buy the extended battery (two of them, actually) and the external battery charger. It proved useful, which I am worried about in the future, but I can also supplement with those external battery devices.
Maybe I will get one of the battery pack cases, to use when I DO know I will need it. Like, when I'm doing extended training - military installations have a tendency to have weak or no cell service out in the wide open training areas, and wifi is strictly forbidden (you can "bring your own" wifi, on your phone... but can't put wireless on their network), and on those weekends or during annual training, access to the power grid tends to be unpredictable.

More than anything, I haven't trusted devices with a built-in battery. The number of times my ZuneHD has entered a hard lock, however, should relieve my concern since the right button combo always forces the reboot. I've heard of all sealed devices like this having that ability, so it *should* always work. That said, I've always been worried of the one time where the manual reset doesn't work, whereas a battery pull always work so long as the phone is actually still going to work (like it wasn't dropped in water).
Oh, and there's also the water concern. If fast enough, removing the battery and desiccating will work - not being able to remove the battery right away (or, at all) makes it a little more worrisome any shorts that develop will be permanently crippling as opposed to temporary ion bridges (dissolved salts/electrolytes) killed with a quick battery pull.


I've completely overlooked that entirely. They've definitely come a long way in phones, considering how common this non-replaceable battery movement has become. Ugh, oh well.