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soccerballtux

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Nexus 5 is plenty fast enough for me to be honest. It's just that nothing can solve the camera and battery woes that I have. Really itching for an upgrade just for those reasons. Well, microSD would be nice too, as my music collection is growing too big for the 32GB internal storage I currently have.
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what kind of battery issues?

how about Qi charging everywhere? I have one at desk, near bed, downstairs in front of TV, etc.

regarding MicroSD, I've thankfully stopped caring about the quality of the music and how much of it I can listen to, also I listen to mostly classical. I've purchased a lot of it on Amazon on the cheap so I just stream Rachmaninoff, Mozart, Bach, Debussy occasionally when I feel like it. I do think base phones need 64GB or microSD though.
 
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I still can't understand why all these manufacturers are skimping on storage.
5 years ago when 16gb phones were the norm we had 720p video, 5mpix cameras, 5MB games. Now we have 4k video, 13-20mpix cameras and 100mb-1gb games.
Why are they upgrading the screen/soc/lte/ram and forgetting about storage and sdcards, wtf is wrong with them? If im paying $600+ for a phone you better give me what i want.
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the cloud gave them shade to hide their excuse to providing more storage in.

a diversion or falsehood technique: people want something, give them something else, tell them it's just as good, and rely on their goodwill to believe you. Most of them aren't smart enough to figure out it's worse, much less be able to prove 'why' to you, and those you can just dismiss as fringe cases. In the mean time, you get your money or marketing data or whatever it was you sold out for.
 
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I still can't understand why all these manufacturers are skimping on storage.
5 years ago when 16gb phones were the norm we had 720p video, 5mpix cameras, 5MB games. Now we have 4k video, 13-20mpix cameras and 100mb-1gb games.
Why are they upgrading the screen/soc/lte/ram and forgetting about storage and sdcards, wtf is wrong with them? If im paying $600+ for a phone you better give me what i want.
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My first smartphone circa 2010 had 32 GB internal storage, and a MicroSD slot! I definitely miss those days. 32 GB should be the bare minimum, with 64/128 GB being common...
 
sweenish

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So, my Nexus 5 camera issues are essentially solved with Manual Camera. I keep plugging it, but it's literally awesome.

It's a camera2 capable phone. My pictures got leagues better with that app, just auto-shooting.

Probably won't help your low light issues much, but you would have manual controls to make the best of the situation. It's a fast camera, as well.
 
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I should have said 'like, ever'. There are fringe cases but they are insignificant compared to the power of the force

thinking more about this in the shower, you really only provided one alternative phone make/model. It weighs 10% more, has the same width but 0.2 inch smaller screen (big difference), and wastes space with the bottom HTC bar. It's not in the same category.

Most people seem to think so, too, as no one is buying it
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Doesn't change fact that the argument was power per pixel. You were shown wrong, and decided to change the argument. Like I said, stay classy.
 
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the cloud gave them shade to hide their excuse to providing more storage in.
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Maybe google and apple can play that card since they offer it, but what aboot lg/sony/moto and other chinese makers? What incentive do they have for offering low storage when they upgrade every other feature.
I can understand the moto g having 16gb of storage since it costs $150, but there's no excuse to see 32gb on a $600+ phone, the war on storage needs to end.
1 minute of 4k video takes 500mb, with 32gb phones having around 23gb of free storage that means i can only have some 40 minutes of video on the phone? Where do you put your games? On the cloud?
 
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Maybe google and apple can play that card since they offer it, but what aboot lg/sony/moto and other chinese makers? What incentive do they have for offering low storage when they upgrade every other feature.
I can understand the moto g having 16gb of storage since it costs $150, but there's no excuse to see 32gb on a $600+ phone, the war on storage needs to end.
1 minute of 4k video takes 500mb, with 32gb phones having around 23gb of free storage that means i can only have some 40 minutes of video on the phone? Where do you put your games? On the cloud?
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well, the point is to get you to upgrade. If you bought their phone once, it's likely you'll buy it again. As long as you're buying something again...that's the incentive.

Most people go 'I'm low on phone storage, I need a new phone' and simply don't install as many apps on the next one, or only load certain music. In short, they are noobs.
 
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Doesn't change fact that the argument was power per pixel. You were shown wrong, and decided to change the argument. Like I said, stay classy.
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so I didn't fully preface my claim with comprehensive premises. so what? Big deal. The performance improvement is neither necessary nor very noticeable. As such, it is not worth that much consideration given an undesirable form factor
 
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soccerballtux said:
well, the point is to get you to upgrade. If you bought their phone once, it's likely you'll buy it again. As long as you're buying something again...that's the incentive.

Most people go 'I'm low on phone storage, I need a new phone' and simply don't install as many apps on the next one, or only load certain music. In short, they are noobs.
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I guess everyone's experiences are different, but I've never known anyone that upgraded because their phone ran out of space. Most people I know seem to upgrade for one of two reasons:

(1) Their two year contract cycle is complete (that would be 95% or more)
(2) They broke / dropped in toilet / lost their phone and need a new one.

Now that more and more people are moving to Edge type plans it will be interesting to see if they start keeping their phones longer.
 
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soccerballtux said:
so I didn't fully preface my claim with comprehensive premises. so what? Big deal. The performance improvement is neither necessary nor very noticeable. As such, it is not worth that much consideration given an undesirable form factor
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And now you've entered into the realm of subjectivity.

And the fact was that made a claim. And were shown wrong. And then you shifted the goal posts. That's not kosher.

I'm not saying that because of that, your preference is wrong. I'm saying that you can't just shift goal posts. It's poor logic, and doesn't make you look very smart.

I like my Nexus 5, a lot. In spite of its weaknesses. If someone tells me that my phone has an inferior camera, I will point out like I have many times that the app Manual Camera has improved my camera quite a bit, but I won't try to ignore the point. It's a valid point, and one that's annoyed me a couple times, but not enough to not consider a Nexus for my next phone.

You, on the other hand, keep pretending that the G2 is the perfect phone in all regards, and when you made an erroneous claim, you tried to ignore the point.

It's nice that you have one and like it. But don't be stupid about it.

And claiming that a performance improvement isn't necessary is simply wrong, stupid, and ignorant.
 
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So do I, which means a lot of my collection is live and/or old+out-of-print stuff that will never be part of any "unlimited music" selection.
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so, this is why I have a Subsonic subscription and use Ultrasonic to stream it. Install Pulseway to send PC back to sleep, and use Wake On Lan to wake it up.
 
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FHD is the sweet spot. Adreno 418 will perform very well at that resolution, not so much at QHD.

This is my dream phone. The camera only needs to be an improvement over my Nexus 5 (and having OIS is mandatory) for me to make a purchase.
 
RossMAN

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I agree. 5.5" is a tad large. Even 5.2" can be. Maybe 5" is perfect. I have manlet hands though lol
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My Nexus 5 is the perfect size, although it could be a little slimmer/svelte like the iPhone 6.

I will miss it's form factor but hopefully in 4 months I'll be rockin' a Moto X 2015 or Nexus 5 2015.

Why wait 4 months?

1) Reviews
2) BF/Cyber Monday specials
 
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OK so they're announcing two editions: a 5.7" Style and a 5.5" Play.

Huge battery: 3630mAh. I like sound of this!

This is my next phone. Definitely.
 
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Wait, you have to go up the 5.7" for the non-budget SoC?

Crazy. Still, A53 with the bigger battery and 1080p is going to give some nice battery life.
 
RossMAN

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I'm on the train going to work can someone create a new Moto 2015 thread with all the new g/x specs?
 
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