Motherboard and CPU for photo processing

[endlessmike133]

This guy is seriously trying to pretend like Sandy Bridge didn't just blow everything out of the water. what a hoot

 

[mfenn]

I need to build a computer in the next two weeks and I am now looking for recommendations on a processor and motherboard.

Quoted the relevant part of the OP for everyone.

I agree that Sandy Bridge would be a better choice if you could find one. However, it seems like everyone is panicking and pulling them from the shelves. The situation will likely not be resolved within two weeks.

My advice is:

• If you have Sandy Bridge, don't worry about it. RMA your board once the replacements are ready.
• If you don't have Sandy Bridge and are looking to buy sometime in the nebulous future, wait for the fixed boards to be put on the market.
• If you don't have Sandy Bridge and you need to buy right now, get a Lynnfield.

 

[Numenorean]

This guy is seriously trying to pretend like Sandy Bridge didn't just blow everything out of the water. what a hoot

Let's see some numbers that prove your point.

And I'm sorry but SB outperforming something in a test by 3 seconds isn't "blowing it out of the water."

 

[endlessmike133]

Let's see some numbers that prove your point.

And I'm sorry but SB outperforming something in a test by 3 seconds isn't "blowing it out of the water."

There are many factors for the reason SB blows everything out the water right now, just do some research on it; SB is light-years ahead of everything else on the market currently.

 

[Numenorean]

There are many factors for the reason SB blows everything out the water right now, just do some research on it; SB is light-years ahead of everything else on the market currently.

I have done plenty of research. I have seen nothing which can support your baseless claim.

 

[endlessmike133]

I have done plenty of research. I have seen nothing which can support your baseless claim.

My claim is supported by multiple benchmarks on various websites.

Hell, you don't have to even look further than the website you're posting on right now to see my claims supported by facts.

Fact of the matter is: SB is the ONLY choice if you're willing to spend that type of money.

I don't understand why you can't accept that; don't worry dude, I know you feel inferior or whatever because you have an older i7/i5, but you really shouldn't because those cards, like you say, are absolutely fantastic...however if you're building a system right now you would simply be a fool to go with them.

 

[Numenorean]

My claim is supported by multiple benchmarks on various websites.

Hell, you don't have to even look further than the website you're posting on right now to see my claims supported by facts.

Fact of the matter is: SB is the ONLY choice if you're willing to spend that type of money.

I don't understand why you can't accept that; don't worry dude, I know you feel inferior or whatever because you have an older i7/i5, but you really shouldn't because those cards, like you say, are absolutely fantastic...however if you're building a system right now you would simply be a fool to go with them.

No it isn't.

I'm looking at a benchmark right now and it doesn't support your claim. Taking a look at i7-870 vs. what people are most recommending - the i5-2500K:


Photoshop:

i7-870 - 15.4s
i5-2500K - 12.6s

That's 2.8 seconds faster, but that's through several operations and it's not really a noticeable amount, certainly not something that would make it worth going with a motherboard with a flawed chipset and then adding another $80+ for an add-in card to do what the chipset is supposed to be doing in the first place. It's not worth risking data problems. It's not worth getting something that has a stability/reliability flaw.

Also, I ran the same test on my i7-870 and got 12.4s.

Xmpeg + DivX Encode:

i7-870 - 34.3s
i5-2500K - 31.3s

Negligible difference.

WME9:

i7-870 - 28s
i5-2500K - 22s

Negligible difference.

x264 HD 1st Pass:

i7-870 - 80.2fps
i5-2500K - 100.8fps

There is a decent difference here. Unless this is the only thing you do, it's not hugely relevant.

x264 HD 2nd Pass:

i7-870 - 27.6 Arbitrary Units (Not labeled in graph)
i5-2500K - 27.7 Arbitrary Units (Not labeled in graph)

Negligible difference.

x264 HD 3.03 1st Pass:

i7-870 - 74.8fps
i5-2500K - 100fps

Again, decent difference, again unless it's all you do not hugely relevant.

x264 HD 3.03 2nd Pass:

i7-870 - 30fps
i5-2500K - 28.7fps

Negligible difference. But the i7 "wins" this one.

Visual Studio 2008:

i7-880 - 15.1min
i5-2500K - 27.1min

Decent difference, i7 is winning this one.

Sorenson Flash Video Creation:

i7-870 - 101.1s
i5-2500K - 90.8s

Negligible difference.

Excel Monte Carlo:

i7-870 - 14.087s
i5-2500K - 15.4s

Negligible difference. Again i7 "wins".

Excel Math Ops:

i7-870 - 4.118s
i5-2500K - 4.4s

Negligible difference. Again i7 "wins".


Are you getting the picture yet? Yes there are differences. But they are not extreme.

You can quote percentages all you want but saying something is x% faster is meaningless. I know how these benchmarks are presented, I used to present them as well. You are reading what these people are feeding you, not bothering to think about it.

I can do similar things with data that some of these sites do. Look:

HOLY CRAP LOOK HOW MUCH FASTER THE i5-2500K IS!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE SPEEDS!!! IT'S 18% FASTER!!!!!!


And you buy right into it.

 

[endlessmike133]

Like I said, there are many different factors that come into why SB is a much better choice than the older i5/i7's; for some reason you just don't wanna see them.....performance isn't the only factor.

 

[Numenorean]

Like I said, there are many different factors that come into why SB is a much better choice than the older i5/i7's; for some reason you just don't wanna see them.....performance isn't the only factor.

Many different factors? Yet you state that "My claim is supported by multiple benchmarks on various websites." - Where are the benchmarks that don't test performance?

I'm waiting for you to make a good argument. "I'm right, just look." is not a good argument.

For what this person is asking for - a photo processing system - explain why SB is such a much better choice that it is worth living with a broken chipset and, if data is important, why spending extra money on something if needed would be such a much better choice.

 

[endlessmike133]

I'm waiting for you to make a good argument. "I'm right, just look." is not a good argument.

There is no argument to be had here; the overwhelmingly vast majority of enthusiasts will agree with me when it comes to the fact that SB blows every other CPU out of the water and is the ONLY choice when it comes to buying a new CPU if you're willing to spend the money currently.

 

[Numenorean]

There is no argument to be had here; the overwhelmingly vast majority of enthusiasts will agree with me when it comes to the fact that SB blows every other CPU out of the water and is the ONLY choice when it comes to buying a new CPU if you're willing to spend the money currently.

Why?

I'm waiting for these facts that you claim are out there. You can't just state that because you have this opinion and other people have this opinion that SB "blows every other CPU out of the water" and think that just because of these opinions it is suddenly fact.

Explain why and provide evidence to support your claim that SB blows every other CPU out of the water. I have listed a lot of things here which shows that SB certainly doesn't blow every other CPU out of the water.

 

[endlessmike133]

Why?

I'm waiting for these facts that you claim are out there. You can't just state that because you have this opinion and other people have this opinion that SB "blows every other CPU out of the water" and think that just because of these opinions it is suddenly fact.

Explain why and provide evidence to support your claim that SB blows every other CPU out of the water. I have listed a lot of things here which shows that SB certainly doesn't blow every other CPU out of the water.

Dude, honestly just stop it; you're embarrassing yourself.

You're clearly failing to see the big picture, with your tunnel-vision only focusing on performance gains (which SB does offer a nice boost over the older CPUs).

 

[Numenorean]

Dude, honestly just stop it; you're embarrassing yourself.

You're clearly failing to see the big picture, with your tunnel-vision only focusing on performance gains (which SB does offer a nice boost over the older CPUs).

So you're saying that you have nothing.

That's fine. Just admit that you're wrong.

I'm not the one embarrassing myself here. You are.

 

[endlessmike133]

So you're saying that you have nothing.

That's fine. Just admit that you're wrong.

I'm not the one embarrassing myself here. You are.

Fine, me and the rest of the enthusiast community will all admit we were wrong about SB and that it is in fact not that big of a leap over the older i5/i7s.

lol

 

[mnewsham]

So you're saying that you have nothing.

That's fine. Just admit that you're wrong.

I'm not the one embarrassing myself here. You are.

seems to be a trend for him don't worry too much about it.

 

[endlessmike133]

seems to be a trend for him don't worry too much about it.

What is up with this "rivalry" between you and me?

You always have to underhand me or whatever when I'm giving a recommendation, whether it be PCs or headphones; it's getting quite tiresome honestly.

 

[Numenorean]

Fine, me and the rest of the enthusiast community will all admit we were wrong about SB and that it is in fact not that big of a leap over the older i5/i7s.

lol

I'm not saying it isn't better/faster. It's just not as extreme of a difference as you claim.

 

[mnewsham]

Fine, me and the rest of the enthusiast community will all admit we were wrong about SB and that it is in fact not that big of a leap over the older i5/i7s.

lol

No you ARE wrong the older i5's/i7's are good CPU's sandy bridge is better then them yes, however it isnt a HUGE GIANT PERFORMANCE hit. If sandy bridge were out right now and were more readily available then yes getting an older one for the same price would be stupid, but as of right now for a computer built TODAY, the older i5's/i7's are perfectly fine.

 

[Numenorean]

What is up with this "rivalry" between you and me?

You always have to underhand me or whatever when I'm giving a recommendation, whether it be PCs or headphones; it's getting quite tiresome honestly.

Perhaps because you're wrong a lot and can't admit it?

 

[endlessmike133]

No you ARE wrong the older i5's/i7's are good CPU's sandy bridge is better then them yes, however it isnt a HUGE GIANT PERFORMANCE hit. If sandy bridge were out right now and were more readily available then yes getting an older one for the same price would be stupid, but as of right now for a computer built TODAY, the older i5's/i7's are perfectly fine.

To get the CPU Numero is recommending you'd actually have to spend quite more than you would getting the 2500k, which of course is a better performer among other things.

but whatever, go ahead and spend more money for an older CPU when a brand spanking new one that offers better performance at a lower price is right at your helm OP

 

[Numenorean]

To get the CPU Numero is recommending you'd actually have to spend quite more than you would getting the 2500k, which of course is a better performer among other things.

but whatever, go ahead and spend more money for an older CPU when a brand spanking new one that offers better performance at a lower price is right at your helm OP

As I have pointed out numerous times, in order to get a system running how I need it to, I would spend $80+ on an additional SATA controller card which would negate any price savings by purchasing a SB chip. It would actually be MORE expensive than the i7-870.

 

[endlessmike133]

As I have pointed out numerous times, in order to get a system running how I need it to, I would spend $80+ on an additional SATA controller card which would negate any price savings by purchasing a SB chip. It would actually be MORE expensive than the i7-870.

It'd be slightly more expensive than the i7-870, but it'd be entirely worth it.

 

[mnewsham]

As I have pointed out numerous times, in order to get a system running how I need it to, I would spend $80+ on an additional SATA controller card which would negate any price savings by purchasing a SB chip. It would actually be MORE expensive than the i7-870.

glad we can agree.

 

[mnewsham]

It'd be slightly more expensive than the i7-870, but it'd be entirely worth it.

i agree if you can afford to wait until the new motherboards are out. If not then the older i7's/and i5's are fine

 

[Numenorean]

It'd be slightly more expensive than the i7-870, but it'd be entirely worth it.

No, it wouldn't.

Because then in the future I would want a replacement board and I would have an extra SATA expansion card collecting dust.

Also there would be downtime during replacement and that's simply not acceptable.

If you're running an older P4 or similar, getting an "older" i5/i7 now wouldn't be bad at all.

If you are on a 775 system, well you can probably just wait for the new boards to be released and not worry about it. It isn't worth buying RIGHT NOW and having to deal with the hassle later.