Mother sues gun store for negligent sale

[boomerang]

Lastly, If I owned the store, I wouldn't want to take the risk of making the sale and ending up on the news as the place that sold a murder weapon...

Yeah, but for all we know the mother comes off as in need of mental health services herself. A crazy woman telling the shop owner not to sell a weapon to a crazy woman. As the shop owner, what do you do? He could have potentially opened himself up for a lawsuit if he had denied her the weapon.

This is one of those situations that a free society has to deal with along all of its inherent imperfections. There is no "solution" although I'm certain that there are those that think there is.

 

[TreVader]

You are so cute.

You hear that? That is the Senate drifting away...

LMFAO another gun nut fantasy, you'll be lucky to hold on to congress.




Guaranteed they didn't run a background check. I really hope they charge the owner with being an accessory to murder.

 

[TreVader]

Yeah, but for all we know the mother comes off as in need of mental health services herself. A crazy woman telling the shop owner not to sell a weapon to a crazy woman. As the shop owner, what do you do? He could have potentially opened himself up for a lawsuit if he had denied her the weapon.

This is one of those situations that a free society has to deal with along all of its inherent imperfections. There is no "solution" although I'm certain that there are those that think there is.

He couldn't have "opened himself up to a lawsuit". IDK if you've been in this country for long, but you can sue ANYBODY for ANYTHING here. I can sue you for this post (and you can sue me).


Any store is allowed to refuse service to anybody. This guy was just happy to pocked whatever chump change he received from the sale and go get trashed on PBR in his lawn chair or whatever else you gun fanatics do at home. Have crazy sex with your guns because your dicks are so tiny they all fit into less than .50 cal.

 

[boomerang]

He couldn't have "opened himself up to a lawsuit". IDK if you've been in this country for long, but you can sue ANYBODY for ANYTHING here. I can sue you for this post (and you can sue me).

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Any store is allowed to refuse service to anybody. This guy was just happy to pocked whatever chump change he received from the sale and go get trashed on PBR in his lawn chair or whatever else you gun fanatics do at home. Have crazy sex with your guns because your dicks are so tiny they all fit into less than .50 cal.

I see you waving your psychosis around in this post. My, it's a big one.

 

[TerryMathews]

He couldn't have "opened himself up to a lawsuit". IDK if you've been in this country for long, but you can sue ANYBODY for ANYTHING here. I can sue you for this post (and you can sue me).


Any store is allowed to refuse service to anybody. This guy was just happy to pocked whatever chump change he received from the sale and go get trashed on PBR in his lawn chair or whatever else you gun fanatics do at home. Have crazy sex with your guns because your dicks are so tiny they all fit into less than .50 cal.

I'd rather drink PBR in my front lawn than polish my favorite coat hanger.

What do y'all do, put a notch on it for each one?

 

[rommelrommel]

It's not part of the report that those were the circumstances but thanks for trying. I was actually referring to the conflict of interest. If an employee can exercise individual judgment then he has no reason to turn away a potential sale. All businesses are operating in order to make money.

If you can show evidence of an actual case of someone talking crazy shit while attempting to purchase a gun I'd be happy to consider that situation.

Bad law. No individual, especially in the employ of a gun shop, should be judging who may purchase a gun.

You said it, not me.

My grandfather sells guns and has refused sales. Hell, one time the guy seemed totally normal till the end until somehow smokers came into the conversation and the guy said he was planning on shooting smokers because they were poisoning the air. Turns out he was recently released from psych ward.

 

[TreVader]

I'd rather drink PBR in my front lawn than polish my favorite coat hanger.

What do y'all do, put a notch on it for each one?

The only person using a coat hanger is someone who lives in some hick state like Texas or Oklahoma where getting an abortion is hard.



And the whole notch thing is so ridiculous because A) you can't "notch" a coat hanger it's not wood and B) The coat hanger isn't near long enough to document the massive quantity of dead fetuses me and my shady ladies leave in our wake.

 

[Fern]

From the article; " But the lawsuit says Missouri law allows a gun shop employee to use "individual judgment" in refusing sale to some customers."

Bad law. No individual, especially in the employ of a gun shop, should be judging who may purchase a gun.

Generally I agree, but what if the customer is intoxicated?

Fern

 

[Texashiker]

Gun store does not sell gun, then they get sued for violating the girls civil rights.

The mom needs to place the blame where it belongs, on her daughter.

 

[Fern]

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I refuse to sell you any of my guns. Am I denying your right?

-snip-
Any store is allowed to refuse service to anybody.

Owners of stores that sell wedding cakes are very interested in your theories:

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/12/06/3035121/colorado-bakery-broke-law/#

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/01/21/3184691/oregon-bakery-guilty-discriminating-sex-couple/

Fern

 

[Fern]

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Guaranteed they didn't run a background check. I really hope they charge the owner with being an accessory to murder.

I think that's highly unlikely.

Fern

 

[TreVader]

Owners of stores that sell wedding cakes are very interested in your theories:

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/12/06/3035121/colorado-bakery-broke-law/#

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/01/21/3184691/oregon-bakery-guilty-discriminating-sex-couple/

Fern

There is a difference between refusing service because you're a homophobic asshole and refusing service to someone on the basis that they are dangerous.


Ridiculous argument BTW, last time I checked nobody killed their mom and 20 children with a wedding cake.

 

[TreVader]

I think that's highly unlikely.

Fern

If they had checked his background, they would've found that he had been committed for more than 72hrs, which btw federally mandates you to NEVER buy a gun. That means you Fern, we all know you broke out a few years ago and are hoarding AR15s under a drawbridge.



I have said this before but most people should not be allowed to touch a gun. This country would be so much better off if we had a system like Germany or England.

 

[Fern]

If they had checked his background, they would've found that he had been committed for more than 72hrs, which btw federally mandates you to NEVER buy a gun. That means you Fern, we all know you broke out a few years ago and are hoarding AR15s under a drawbridge.
-snip-

You wrote "he"; who are you talking about?

IIRC, the crazy guy who did the Aurora theater shootings had been reported by his psychiatrist yet he was still able to purchase a gun legally. I.e., the system failed to flag him.

Fern

 

[TerryMathews]

If they had checked his background, they would've found that he had been committed for more than 72hrs, which btw federally mandates you to NEVER buy a gun. That means you Fern, we all know you broke out a few years ago and are hoarding AR15s under a drawbridge.



I have said this before but most people should not be allowed to touch a gun. This country would be so much better off if we had a system like Germany or England.

This post demonstrates you have no idea how NICS works.

 

[MrPickins]

Owners of stores that sell wedding cakes are very interested in your theories:

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/12/06/3035121/colorado-bakery-broke-law/#

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/01/21/3184691/oregon-bakery-guilty-discriminating-sex-couple/

Fern

I already stated my views on that topic in the very post you quoted.

Unless it's a discriminating against a protected class, a business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone.

In either case, lets not try to change the subject...

 

[davmat787]

From the article; " But the lawsuit says Missouri law allows a gun shop employee to use "individual judgment" in refusing sale to some customers."

Bad law. No individual, especially in the employ of a gun shop, should be judging who may purchase a gun.

No, you have to let gun stores have the right to refuse any sale for many reasons. For example, a couple comes in and the guy is asking all the questions and tries a few handguns out. His lady is texting on the phone until time to purchase, when all the sudden they say it's for her and she will fill out the background check paperwork.

Even though she will pass this is obviously a straw sale and they need to be able to refuse. I am a strong pro 2A guy btw.

 

[OCGuy]

LMFAO another gun nut fantasy, you'll be lucky to hold on to congress.




Guaranteed they didn't run a background check. I really hope they charge the owner with being an accessory to murder.

Saved for future shaming

 

[Texashiker]

His lady is texting on the phone until time to purchase, when all the sudden they say it's for her and she will fill out the background check paperwork.

Then that couple broke the law.

Have you ever bought a gun? Do you remember the question on the form asking if you are the actual buyer?

It is a federal offense to make a straw-purchase.

 

[owensdj]

Can you sue a car dealership for selling a car to someone with a drinking problem who later kills someone while driving drunk? This lawsuit is ridiculous.

 

[shortylickens]

Can you sue a car dealership for selling a car to someone with a drinking problem who later kills someone while driving drunk? This lawsuit is ridiculous.

You dont have to fill out a federal form at a car dealership saying you've never been convicted of drunk driving, nor is the dealership required to send in a form over fax or phone and make you wait until they get permission from the government to sell you a car.

 

[davmat787]

Then that couple broke the law.

Have you ever bought a gun? Do you remember the question on the form asking if you are the actual buyer?

It is a federal offense to make a straw-purchase.

Of course they broke the law, that was the point, which is why the gun dealer should be allowed to refuse a sale to stop it. Obviously the couple is prepared to make the straw purchase, a form won't stop it but an attentive gun dealer would.

NICS forms don't stop straw purchases, which is why straw purchases exist: to bypass the background check.

I am not in support of the lawsuit being discussed, just pointing out that the dealer should have the right to refuse a sale. That is all.

 

[bshole]

The daughter, Colby Sue Weathers, had been diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2011. Delana said she called Odessa Gun & Pawn because the store had sold Weathers a gun in 2009 with which she wanted to commit suicide but was taken from her by Delana and her husband, Tex C. Delana, KMBC.com said. Delana provided the shop with her daughter's name, date of birth and Social Security number

I dunno, if I were the gun shop owner and had a shred of human decency, I would have at least called to warn them that death was on the way.

So...., you guys are not just pro-gun per se, you are pro-guns for INSANE motherfucking psychotics (even when explicitly warned). Good to know. I for one am not quite down with arming up schizoids. Different strokes I guess.

 

[alzan]

Generally I agree, but what if the customer is intoxicated?

Fern

I'm trying to keep on topic with the specific case. That being said your hypothetical does present an uncommon situation that is probably covered under the current law.

No, you have to let gun stores have the right to refuse any sale for many reasons. For example, a couple comes in and the guy is asking all the questions and tries a few handguns out. His lady is texting on the phone until time to purchase, when all the sudden they say it's for her and she will fill out the background check paperwork.

Even though she will pass this is obviously a straw sale and they need to be able to refuse. I am a strong pro 2A guy btw.

See above. While I mostly agree with "individual judgment" I also think that it opens the door to abuse by both customer and vendor.

 

[Texashiker]

if I were the gun shop

A bleeding heart liberal in a gun store?

That is funny, please tell us another good joke.