Mother slaughters children

[WyteWatt]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca...ilev,0,5525698.story?coll=chi-news-hed

 

[Kipper]

:shocked:

 

[CrackRabbit]

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
:shocked:

Same thing I felt with being angry as heck.

 

[sundev]

Hopefully Illinois has the death penalty.

 

[Taggart]

she is crazy, will plead not guilty due to insanity

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Taggart
she is crazy, will plead not guilty due to insanity

I really have a hard time seeing how someone could NOT be crazy and do this.

 

[Boze]

I say scientists from all fields of study be allowed to study her brain to figure out WTF is going on in there instead of letting her rot in prison or be buried/cremated where she is of no further use to us.

 

[Unheard]

WTF? How could someone do that? Even if they had capital punishment, she is more likely to plead insane. She has to be nuts to do something like that.

 

[Mo0o]

Wierd. A little late for postpartum(sp?) depression isn't it?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Here is her picture, which I find very spooky indeed.

 

[cmp1223]

Well, that topic brightened my day!

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Taggart
she is crazy, will plead not guilty due to insanity

I really have a hard time seeing how someone could NOT be crazy and do this.

exactly. I think what she did was terrible, but I don't think it was the act of an entirely sane person.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Taggart
she is crazy, will plead not guilty due to insanity

I really have a hard time seeing how someone could NOT be crazy and do this.

exactly. I think what she did was terrible, but I don't think it was the act of an entirely sane person.

Yeah, I tend to agree. She should and will spend the rest of her life in prison, but I don't favor the death penalty in cases like this (it's academic anyway, since as far as I know Illinois has not re-imposed the death penalty since Gov Ryan suspended it in 2000).

 

[mobobuff]

If you read the other articles on it they say how in 2000 their previous home caught on fire and killed their 3 month old daughter. They'll probably try claiming her depression/insanity was from that, but the mother's excuse was...

While prosecutors offered no motive in court for the slayings, investigators said Vasilev told police she had killed the children to protect them from members of the family's new church, fearing the children would be sexually abused.

Religion is involved now.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the one that started the fire.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
If you read the other articles on it they say how in 2000 their previous home caught on fire and killed their 3 month old daughter. They'll probably try claiming her depression/insanity was from that, but the mother's excuse was...

While prosecutors offered no motive in court for the slayings, investigators said Vasilev told police she had killed the children to protect them from members of the family's new church, fearing the children would be sexually abused.

Religion is involved now.

That'd pretty much irrelevant IMO; she appears to have been delusional, and the specific nature of her delusions is probably immaterial. If these were really mercy killings, she presumably wouldn't have stabbed each child more than 200 times (!).

 

[KarenMarie]

And there will be a % of the population who says that it is not her fault. It is societies fault. That she should not be executed. She should be coddled and rehabilitated. Her life is valuable, they will say. She should be given all the freebies that the medical/psycological community can provide... at taxpayers expense... so she can, one day become a productive member of society.

puke. she needs to be put down. no hesitation, no circus atmosphere. Quickly, quietly and without any fanfare.

:|

 

[mrrman]

another sicko in this world

 

[ChooChooChooseMe]

:|

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
And there will be a % of the population who says that it is not her fault. It is societies fault. That she should not be executed. She should be coddled and rehabilitated. Her life is valuable, they will say. She should be given all the freebies that the medical/psycological community can provide... at taxpayers expense... so she can, one day become a productive member of society.

puke. she needs to be put down. no hesitation, no circus atmosphere. Quickly, quietly and without any fanfare.

:|

You don't have the least bit of idea on how controversial, complex, and convoluted these ethical issues can become.

That said, this thread will quickly turn into a P&N thread.

 

[Boze]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Taggart
she is crazy, will plead not guilty due to insanity

I really have a hard time seeing how someone could NOT be crazy and do this.

exactly. I think what she did was terrible, but I don't think it was the act of an entirely sane person.

Yeah, I tend to agree. She should and will spend the rest of her life in prison, but I don't favor the death penalty in cases like this (it's academic anyway, since as far as I know Illinois has not re-imposed the death penalty since Gov Ryan suspended it in 2000).

Laughable. In prison, she is of no use to mankind. She should be shipped off to scientific facilities around the world and used for research to determine what the hell is wrong with her in hopes of figuring out why other humans experience psychotic episodes.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
And there will be a % of the population who says that it is not her fault. It is societies fault. That she should not be executed. She should be coddled and rehabilitated. Her life is valuable, they will say. She should be given all the freebies that the medical/psycological community can provide... at taxpayers expense... so she can, one day become a productive member of society.

puke. she needs to be put down. no hesitation, no circus atmosphere. Quickly, quietly and without any fanfare.

:|

I agree. 100%

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: mobobuff
If you read the other articles on it they say how in 2000 their previous home caught on fire and killed their 3 month old daughter. They'll probably try claiming her depression/insanity was from that, but the mother's excuse was...

While prosecutors offered no motive in court for the slayings, investigators said Vasilev told police she had killed the children to protect them from members of the family's new church, fearing the children would be sexually abused.

Religion is involved now.

That'd pretty much irrelevant IMO; she appears to have been delusional, and the specific nature of her delusions is probably immaterial. If these were really mercy killings, she presumably wouldn't have stabbed each child more than 200 times (!).

I'm not arguing its relevancy, I'm simply pointing out that that's her excuse. And you're saying it's because she's mentally unstable or insane, and I'll tell you that religion has been known to do that.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
And there will be a % of the population who says that it is not her fault. It is societies fault. That she should not be executed. She should be coddled and rehabilitated. Her life is valuable, they will say. She should be given all the freebies that the medical/psycological community can provide... at taxpayers expense... so she can, one day become a productive member of society.

puke. she needs to be put down. no hesitation, no circus atmosphere. Quickly, quietly and without any fanfare.

:|

You know, I think your anger and righteous indignance is misplaced here, and it pisses me off to no end.

Nobody is claiming society caused this; more than likely these killings were caused by a severe, florid, undiagnosed and untreated mental illness. There would simply be no point in encumbering the taxpayers with the MUCH higher cost of giving her the death penalty, as opposed to imprisoning her for life (which is what'll happen). This woman is almost certainly out of her mind; that doesn't make her evil.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Boze

Laughable. In prison, she is of no use to mankind. She should be shipped off to scientific facilities around the world and used for research to determine what the hell is wrong with her in hopes of figuring out why other humans experience psychotic episodes.

What, exactly, is laughable? I imagine she probably WILL spend the rest of her life in a mental institution or prison (a la the mother in Texas who murdered her children), where she will be medicated and studied by forensic psychiatrists.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

I'm not arguing its relevancy, I'm simply pointing out that that's her excuse. And you're saying it's because she's mentally unstable or insane, and I'll tell you that religion has been known to do that.

Even she isn't saying religion caused her to be insane. My guess is that she was hearing voices or other hallucinations that told her the kids were in danger, but IMO it's a mistake to infer that religion in some way caused this. Even if, hypothetically, this church was one that advocated sex among children (there are such churches, including the Children of God, of which River and Joaquin Phoenix's father was a senior bishop), she could have simply taken the kids, rather than brutally stabbing them to death. IMO she's clearly as nutty as squirrel poop.