Mother kills newborn, can’t be charged

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glenn1

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All angrly about "her body, her right" etc.. How many of you were going to pay her $10,000 hospital care bill and the rest of her health needs?

Most Republicans are Christians
Most Republicans are against Free Health Care for taxpaying citizens of the USA .. hmm

And most women who have abortions are from blue states. Pretty soon we won't have to worry about paying for your healthcare because you'll have aborted yourselves out of existence.

http://blog.american.com/?p=7192
 
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Because, in a legal sense, it is apparently an abortion. Since the baby was still physically attached to its mother, the mother had an absolute right to do whatever she wanted to it.

Personally, I can't be bothered to use a condom. This is a much better alternative. It should stay legal. /democrat
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This story is sick, absolutely sick.
 

dahunan

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So, are you OK with what she did?

FYI, Most Americans are Christians, and there is no such thing as free health care.


No, I am not ok with it. It won't be "free" if our tax dollars pay for it.

But we all know you Christian Republicans couldn't stand the burden of loving your brothers and sisters.
 

theflyingpig

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Well folks, there you have it. The extreme consequence of the popular interpretation of what constitutes "life" and "choice." Hope you people are happy! You pro choice advocates made your bed, now lay in it.

My bed is plenty comfortable. I have no problem with what she did. Better to kill the child when it is young than let it grow up to be abused and then killed by the clearly disturbed mother. Everyone knows this.
 

umbrella39

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All angrly about "her body, her right" etc.. How many of you were going to pay her $10,000 hospital care bill and the rest of her health needs?

Most Republicans are Christians
Most Republicans are against Free Health Care for taxpaying citizens of the USA .. hmm

Cliffs: Repugs are walking, talking contradictions on most issues.
 

wiretap

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My bed is plenty comfortable. I have no problem with what she did. Better to kill the child when it is young than let it grow up to be abused and then killed by the clearly disturbed mother. Everyone knows this.
Kill 'em while they're young? Disturbing mentality. I'd recommend you get some serious mental help. Do you abuse and experiment on pets too?

The best option in that case would be to have it adopted out to a family willing to love and care for the child.
 

theflyingpig

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I am OK with what this women did. I even admire her cleverness, for finding a workaround/fix for the draconian laws preventing her from getting a late term abortion.

Exactly. While she is clearly a disturbed person, her cleverness really is something to be admired. I mean, who would have thought to kill the baby after it had been born, but before it was detached from the mother?! Amazing.
 

Fox5

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Even if it's an abortion, I thought 3rd term abortions were illegal everywhere?
 

umbrella39

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Kill 'em while they're young? Disturbing mentality. I'd recommend you get some serious mental help. Do you abuse and experiment on pets too?

The best option in that case would be to have it adopted out to a family willing to love and care for the child.

That's so 1900's. Ebay to the highest bidder, women could retire by the age of 30. Ebaby??? Has a nice ring to it.
 

her209

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Personally, I can't be bothered to use a condom. This is a much better alternative. It should stay legal. /democrat
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This story is sick, absolutely sick.
Because of this incident and incidents like this that are likely to occur in the future, we should ban abortions altogether.

/pro-lifer
 

umbrella39

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Personally, I can't be bothered to use a condom. This is a much better alternative. It should stay legal. /democrat
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This story is sick, absolutely sick.

Don't have abortions, have the baby.

Can't provide for the child, tough shit, fuck your lazy ass and your little welfare baby /republican
 

frostedflakes

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Even if it's an abortion, I thought 3rd term abortions were illegal everywhere?
Yeah, that's what I don't get about this story. Aren't third trimester abortions illegal for all but a few circumstances (for example, when the mother's life is in jeapordy due to the pregnancy)?
 

HumblePie

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Yeah, that's what I don't get about this story. Aren't third trimester abortions illegal for all but a few circumstances (for example, when the mother's life is in jeapordy due to the pregnancy)?

Yes, but since she was having the baby alone, it was completely her call if she thought her life was in jeopardy and there is no one that can nay-say her legally because they weren't there. Very simple.
 

Thump553

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I'm astonished at the rightwingers that make politic hay out of this, labeling it a late term abortion when the real issue is a miserably drafted defination of murder by the Virginia legislature. Never let logic prevail over your political agenda, I guess.
 

CycloWizard

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No, I am not ok with it. It won't be "free" if our tax dollars pay for it.

But we all know you Christian Republicans couldn't stand the burden of loving your brothers and sisters.
Your version of charity is at the point of a gun. I'm not sure what that has to do with Christianity. I'm also not sure where this woman indicated that anything she did was related to free healthcare.
 

CycloWizard

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Even if it's an abortion, I thought 3rd term abortions were illegal everywhere?
Common misconception. Late-term procedures are almost always legal, as long as one can find a doctor who will sign a form saying that the pregnancy endangers your health. Since every pregnancy is somewhat risky to the mother, this isn't any impediment.
 
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I'm astonished at the rightwingers that make politic hay out of this, labeling it a late term abortion when the real issue is a miserably drafted defination of murder by the Virginia legislature. Never let logic prevail over your political agenda, I guess.
It's all about where you draw the line. How can one call this murder and not call partial birth abortion the same thing? These things baffle me and are well beyond my small brain.
 

Thump553

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It's all about where you draw the line. How can one call this murder and not call partial birth abortion the same thing? These things baffle me and are well beyond my small brain.

The mother delivered the baby, ie, gave birth here. So-called "partial birth abortion" (not a medical term but one created by anti-abortionists-like "death panels" was created by Palin) is a late term abortion of a potentially viable fetus (that is a fetus that could stay alive through intensive medical intervention). (Incidentally, as anyone who has actually read Roe v. Wade can tell you, the Supreme Court in that case specifically held that the states can regulate and prevent abortions of viable fetuses).

I note that the only people that have labeled this murder of a delivered baby as an abortion are those that are vehemently anti-abortion/anti-freedom of choice, and seek to distort and cloud the issues intentionally. It's an old, simplistic debate tactic.
 

Robor

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The mother delivered the baby, ie, gave birth here. So-called "partial birth abortion" (not a medical term but one created by anti-abortionists-like "death panels" was created by Palin) is a late term abortion of a potentially viable fetus (that is a fetus that could stay alive through intensive medical intervention). (Incidentally, as anyone who has actually read Roe v. Wade can tell you, the Supreme Court in that case specifically held that the states can regulate and prevent abortions of viable fetuses).

I note that the only people that have labeled this murder of a delivered baby as an abortion are those that are vehemently anti-abortion/anti-freedom of choice, and seek to distort and cloud the issues intentionally. It's an old, simplistic debate tactic.

Calling what she did an 'abortion' is just stupid. It's murder. On the same note, WTF would anyone terminate (murder?) a pregnancy that is far enough long that the fetus could survive outside the womb?
 

OutHouse

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Yes, but since she was having the baby alone, it was completely her call if she thought her life was in jeopardy and there is no one that can nay-say her legally because they weren't there. Very simple.

wtf dude, she didnt abort the baby, she gave birth to it then suffocated it after it was BORN!

its fucked up that VA can put Michael vick in prison for killing a damn dog but when it comes to a human baby that was born can not. Shame on all of you who say it was within the mothers rights to kill the baby, its a complete travesty that you tools put more value on a damn dog than the life of a newborn human being.

To all you Pro Abortion people in here: if this woman has the "right" kill her baby then Vick and anybody else in VA has the "right" to kill as many dogs as they want.
 
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The mother delivered the baby, ie, gave birth here. So-called "partial birth abortion" (not a medical term but one created by anti-abortionists-like "death panels" was created by Palin) is a late term abortion of a potentially viable fetus (that is a fetus that could stay alive through intensive medical intervention). (Incidentally, as anyone who has actually read Roe v. Wade can tell you, the Supreme Court in that case specifically held that the states can regulate and prevent abortions of viable fetuses).

I note that the only people that have labeled this murder of a delivered baby as an abortion are those that are vehemently anti-abortion/anti-freedom of choice, and seek to distort and cloud the issues intentionally. It's an old, simplistic debate tactic.
Woosh.